Beat The Clock

Re: 360 beat the clock 06.11.10



Ok guys and gals i guess its time for a little update. I'm working from daylight to long after dark then trying to sneak in after hours build time so I apologize if I don't get back to ya right away.

Plan is to give her some new lines:
To hardtail a 360 frame presents a headache of problems. Some I've known about for some time and was the whole reason I never did it in the first place. Another problem didn't raise its ugly head until I was knee deep in the hardtail process. I'll touch on that later. It was obvious from way back that the stamped backbone and seat rail supports (the vertical tubes home of the rear motor mounts) were obvious problems. I really wanted certain lines on the frame and couldn't see ways past these problems until recently. A hardtail can be done rather easly but doesn't always offer the lines I was looking for. I wanted seat rails that were narrow where they attach to the backbone. The backbone long and off the motor. It would need to have a gentle slope to the axle plates so the seat wouldn't take 3" springs on a steep slope. I also wanted the frame to look clean, mininmalist and utilitarian. Most of all I didn't want it to look like two bikes were welded together.
I finally figured out how to do the backbone and motor mounts. It was on. I ordered up a tc bros universal kit and headed to a good friends house. Jason has an awesome garage and can weld like a SOB. He works in a machine shop building custom handrails for a living and besides he is cool to hang with. I did the TC bros because the kit is almost the same price as buying a stick of dom tubing.
So for the back bone jason bent a 58* bend in a piece of scrap at work (no tubing bender at home) and we were on our way.

I knew that the 360 tank would not work because of its wide tunnel. I wanted a vintage looking tank and came across a '69 hodaka tank on ebay for very cheap. So the backbone was welded in at a 20* slope. It is at a raised angle to allow for the new tank and it offers a gentle slope to the axle plates. The length of the backbone is also a little longer than usual to help fit the tank as well. The 58* bend offers room below the carbs to mount the VW coils. I wanted to move them to clean up under the tank but still want them exposed. I think they will look tits mounted on the vertical tube below the carbs. Kiley is sending me some vintage looking cloth plug wires and I think that will set it off. I'm super stoked!

The ass end was to be easy(so I thought ::)) using the swingarm as a jig. To me the length and ride height was already about perfect. Easy ended up not being the case in that the right subframe rail is 1.5" shorter and 7/8" higher than the other side. That I didn't know until the other side was already finished. Getting that side to match the other side was a pain in the ass.
Also I wanted the kick up to be closer to the motor than the axle plates so the lower rails had to be lengthened by about 2" in order to reach the axle plates. I think on most frames the bend is near the axle plates and that is why the tubing came up a little short.
Anyhow, she is mostly tacked up and still has a ton to finish. She sits without the backbone connected to the subframe and there isn't a gusset to be found... anywhere. All in due time...


Plan right now is to continue the lace and brass theme and I'll try to keep you boys and girls posted as time permits. so here she is. Please keep in mind that the frame is very far from finished... If nothing else, be entertained ;D
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New tank...1969 Hodaka

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with the seat and springs
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tank fits backbone pretty well
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Re: 360 beat the clock 06.11.10

Looks great Troy! Are you going to replicate the paint scheme from the 360 tank? I mean, remove all the badges + chrome and have the solid brown with lace? Ahhh! Too many sweet bikes being revealed in such a short time frame!

And that's still an amazing truck of your buddies.
 
Re: 360 beat the clock 06.11.10

So does that mean your old 360 tank is up for grabs ;)

Looking good.
 
Re: 360 beat the clock 06.11.10

Dude, Troy, you never cease to amaze me man!! Just when you thought it couldn't get any better, it does!! I can't wait to see her finished. Are you planning on having her done for the WV GTG?

I am interested to hear what the paint scheme will be.
 
Re: 360 beat the clock 06.11.10

first... LOVE the truck
2nd... you are a SICK welder
3rd... IT LOOKS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!
I love the lines that bike has, the new tank is rock solid man, by far the best choice! love the hair pin seat springs as well! man you should lace a 16 harley wheel to the back of that sucker and run a fatter back tire, not only will it look cooler but it will allow you to run a lower PSI and get a bit of suspension out of the low psi tire. awesome build man... just awesome!
 
Re: 360 beat the clock 06.11.10

Jesus H Christ.

That dudes welds are PERFECT :o :o :o :o :o :o I can only hope to have a garage like his one day!

Love the new changes to the bike Troy..Simply blown away, YET AGAIN! :) :) :)
 
Re: 360 beat the clock 06.11.10

Troy...you are my most favorite nutball EVER! Seriously!
Build a totally awesome and unique bike....then chop it up.....again....oh what the hell...and again!
I love the RoadToad(?) tank too, I just can't believe how cool this is...again....heheh
 
Re: 360 beat the clock 06.11.10

Thank you guys each and everyone of you. I'm feeling all warm inside and its not homemade wine this time ;D but really guys I'm so glad you like it so far. I have a ton of work to get done but she is on hold for the next few days. Its killing me. I can't wait to get back out there wrench.

The plan was to do the the same colors on the tank but to be honest I may run the tank like it is until after the get together. I know I'll be pressed for time. When I get the chance it will be just a couple of days to paint the tank. We'll see how much I can get done between now and then... Besides, it will give me alittle more time to think about the colors.

Thanks for the props Joe. Much appreciated. I have to tell ya though its a little too late to go to a 16. She is so freaking low now and there is no turning back. Besides I really like the look of a larger wheel. Infact I came very close to going to a 21. Just a matter of taste I guess.

Swagger, you are so right I am a bit of a nutball ;D. Case and point: I'm having a blast doing these builds. Wouldn't feel the same if everytime I started with a basket case. I don't know, its something about the challenge of making this bike grow. Its been fun. Soon it will be time to move on though. Next I think I would like to do a basket case. Then again if I had the money right now, there is a sweet '74 r 100 calling my name. Oh well. I'll get BTC finished up and see what the future brings...
Good eye on the tank. I believe the tank might be from an Ace 90 http://www.subrew.com/library/hodaka/bridge_s3.jpg
but could also be an Ace 100 http://www.bikepics.com/pictures/1834245/ (the tank filler is smaller on the 100 so I'm more inclined to believe its the 90??)

Glad you've enjoyed the ride bro!
 
Re: 360 beat the clock 06.11.10

love it. If it wasnt so hard to get this sort of thing registered in australia i would be building one right away
 
Re: 360 beat the clock 06.11.10

You're probably right amigo, we had a Road-Toad and a Combat-Wombat when I was a little kid but...well...it's been a long time since I was a little kid! HA!
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Re: 360 beat the clock 06.11.10

OMG, troy I just fell in love all over again... shoot, beautiful work, I think I will be doing something very similar if I can get my hands on a xs650 or a kz750b.

Big props, and I am glad you keep hacking her up... thats what this place is about, keep building till you are happy!
 
Re: 360 beat the clock 06.11.10

Man, I leave the scene for a couple of weeks and BTC and Gretta are both under the knife again.

These have to be the most influential builds, along with Dirty Beast that I've been watching. The ingenuity and passion for your bikes are really inspiring.

Takes a lot of guts to build a thing of beauty then to chop and build it again. I think purists and restorers have a much easier time building their machines. They just follow the blueprints without any fear that they are doing anything morally wrong. Nothing wrong with that but it I think it takes a bigger man to remake rather than rebuild.

I really look forward to watching, viewing and reading your pictures,videos and updates.
 
Re: 360 beat the clock 06.11.10

Thanks guys. Really means alot. Hell the pressure is on now! I hope I don't let you all down! I'm still pretty stoked about the build. Not much to report. I spent a couple of hours in the garage yesterday and fabbed up the top motor mount. Its not welded yet but all the tubing is notched. Also made the seat bracket. I'll try to grab some shots once I get back in there.
I've been bustin my ass in the hay fields so build progress is very slow. However, it looks like I should have some wrench time coming up.
By the end of the week I hope to finish the frame. Pretty lofty goal but going to bust me ass tryin.



Guess this is the only progress to report as of today:
When I got to the garage Jason's little brother did a little painting on my tupperware container lid. Hmmmm....not bad at all.
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A little off track but this is a little bit of what I've been up to (Hell I've gotta post pics of something ;D:
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Love the patina on this old Ford
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Re: 360 beat the clock 06.11.10

Lovin it. You got it goin on brother. So you farm your own land or what? Is it all hay?
 
Re: 360 beat the clock 06.11.10

bailing hay!!! hell i wish i could say i miss working the fields stacking those suckers... but i do not! ha ha ah hell i think now my fat ass would have a heart attack! not bad on the striping! he is goign to be good if he keeps at it!
 
Re: 360 beat the clock 06.11.10

Hey Gyi2os sorry I didn't respond sooner but the tank was already spoken for. It went pretty quick. Found a new home in Pittsburgh. I'll let the new owner reveal himself...

Staffy my farm is pretty small. I keep some fiber stock (Llama and Alpaca) and a couple hay burners (horses). We usually have a pretty de4cent garden for our own use but my back was not that great when it was time to put it in so this year's is pretty lame. I take care of hay on about 5-6 pretty large farms so it keeps me pretty busy this time of year. I only dream of the day of being self-reliant but I'm pretty realistic about what I'm capable of. I have huge respect for the ones who are.

Joe I forgot you use to work the fields. You know what its like to toss bales. This heat can take its toll. I'm begining to think though that running the bailer all day is right up there too. You are constantly being covered in hay chaff and after about the first 20 minutes it starts to burn the skin. After 9 hrs I'm ready for a hot shower and a cold one. Dont get me worn I wouldn't give it up for anything.


Allright kids we spent about 3 hrs yesterday and another 3 today. I'm getting pretty stoked.
Front motormount got welded Sorry for the shitty cell pics. I keep forgetting my camera.
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Notched the frame for the seat hing mount
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sleeve tacked in
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Drilled and sleeved the mounts for the seat springs. Mounted the seat
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Drilled and sleeved the frame for the top motormount. The rear tank mount is sleeved and the front is now complete
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shaved Honda
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Tank and seat mounted
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(I think I need to trim my gators ;D)
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Jason's brother Ethan pacticing...you may already have figured out that he is about to be commissioned ;D
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Still lots of fabbing to do. Now that the top motormount is finished we can finish the backbone to the lower rails, fab the rear motormount. Still need a pivot for the rear brake, and hub stay. Coil mounts and battery box mounted. Then everything will be broken down, gussets added and final welding. Whew...how much time till the get together???
 
Re: 360 beat the clock 06.11.10

Tearing it up Troy! I don't want to say anything about the pics til I see them on my computer at home......but I'm sure I won't be dissappointed!
 
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