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Re: 360 dragger/bobber brat what ever
You guys are throwing in some pretty cool ideas.
Not to thread jack but how do you use the gold leafing/sheet?
You guys are throwing in some pretty cool ideas.
Not to thread jack but how do you use the gold leafing/sheet?
Re: 360 dragger/bobber brat what ever
how about the tank in the brass colour with the lace pattern in the bronze, it will tie the tank to the frame and give the different colour you are after.
I like the fender but I think it is the chrome that is setting it apart maybe hit it with that bronze colour and brass lace on it in moderation (say one patch at the top).
how about the tank in the brass colour with the lace pattern in the bronze, it will tie the tank to the frame and give the different colour you are after.
I like the fender but I think it is the chrome that is setting it apart maybe hit it with that bronze colour and brass lace on it in moderation (say one patch at the top).
Re: 360 dragger/bobber brat what ever
All great ideas guys. I can't thank you all enough. I think the photo turned out better than it actually looks. The color is just a bit darker than the frame and not near as dark as it looks in the photo. I think it's just to close to the frame color to be the dominate color on the tank. I'll have to try to work on the photos to give actual colors.
Anyhow, I had to take my son to piano lessons and it gave me a little time to think. When I left I really wasn't liking the color (at all). So I thought about inverting the colors like hotfunk said. then I thought about brass. So I went and purchase some brass bits, LOL. I guess we are all on the same page. Picked up brass bushings/sleeves to use for fender strut spacers then some brass wing nuts. Then I thought about contacting Canuck plumber for some copper stacks etc, etc,etc... then I get home and read all this. Damn, it's almost scary!
Swagger, I love all those ideas. The only thing I'm not sure about is copper tubing as fuel lines. I read somewhere that the tubing will eventually crack because it doesn't flex. It will eventually get stress fractures. Don't know, I'll have to do some research, but I love the idea!
JRK, I also love the idea of doing the lettering on the tank. Would you order up some stickers to use a templates? And would it still have the same effect if done in the dark bronze?
Chris, I even like the idea of letting a little rust form. Nothing like some patina.
Some of these ideas I will do right now while others will have to wait until the winter phase.
What do you guys think about inverting the colors on the tank? Also, did anyone notice the stencil? I've considered the stencil instead of doing lace painting. Thoughts??
Oh yeah, I also picked up a ladies leather shirt at the goodwill. It is 100% leather but a tan color. I'm going to hit it with some saddle oils to see what it does. Hopefully I can burnish it some.
Keep the ideas comming guys. Again, Thank you all very much!
All great ideas guys. I can't thank you all enough. I think the photo turned out better than it actually looks. The color is just a bit darker than the frame and not near as dark as it looks in the photo. I think it's just to close to the frame color to be the dominate color on the tank. I'll have to try to work on the photos to give actual colors.
Anyhow, I had to take my son to piano lessons and it gave me a little time to think. When I left I really wasn't liking the color (at all). So I thought about inverting the colors like hotfunk said. then I thought about brass. So I went and purchase some brass bits, LOL. I guess we are all on the same page. Picked up brass bushings/sleeves to use for fender strut spacers then some brass wing nuts. Then I thought about contacting Canuck plumber for some copper stacks etc, etc,etc... then I get home and read all this. Damn, it's almost scary!
Swagger, I love all those ideas. The only thing I'm not sure about is copper tubing as fuel lines. I read somewhere that the tubing will eventually crack because it doesn't flex. It will eventually get stress fractures. Don't know, I'll have to do some research, but I love the idea!
JRK, I also love the idea of doing the lettering on the tank. Would you order up some stickers to use a templates? And would it still have the same effect if done in the dark bronze?
Chris, I even like the idea of letting a little rust form. Nothing like some patina.
Some of these ideas I will do right now while others will have to wait until the winter phase.
What do you guys think about inverting the colors on the tank? Also, did anyone notice the stencil? I've considered the stencil instead of doing lace painting. Thoughts??
Oh yeah, I also picked up a ladies leather shirt at the goodwill. It is 100% leather but a tan color. I'm going to hit it with some saddle oils to see what it does. Hopefully I can burnish it some.
Keep the ideas comming guys. Again, Thank you all very much!
Re: 360 dragger/bobber brat what ever
Oh, I think the antique brass has too much bling to be the base... but it might do the trick as stenciling or lace overlay like the first plan. (note: that is a broken barend mirror and not the gas cap) The paint looks more copperish to me.
So I'm back on the wagon, for now. I may ride the dark bronze to the end to see it's outcome. It is darker than I thought/remembered. Or may be it lightens in the sun? Who knows, but anyway this is kinda what I'm thinking now. If I do a stencil or lace in the brass it will add that little bit that I may be looking for. Also, the headlight bucket is def. throwing it off. i need to paint it black or dark bronze. I'm also thinking hotfunk has a point about the fender. i was really wanting to keep it chrome but maybe it needs to be the same color as the tank.
What do you guys think?
Oh, I think the antique brass has too much bling to be the base... but it might do the trick as stenciling or lace overlay like the first plan. (note: that is a broken barend mirror and not the gas cap) The paint looks more copperish to me.
So I'm back on the wagon, for now. I may ride the dark bronze to the end to see it's outcome. It is darker than I thought/remembered. Or may be it lightens in the sun? Who knows, but anyway this is kinda what I'm thinking now. If I do a stencil or lace in the brass it will add that little bit that I may be looking for. Also, the headlight bucket is def. throwing it off. i need to paint it black or dark bronze. I'm also thinking hotfunk has a point about the fender. i was really wanting to keep it chrome but maybe it needs to be the same color as the tank.
What do you guys think?
Re: 360 dragger/bobber brat what ever
Troy, I for one love that color on the tank as a base. If it were me, I would tape off a stripe loke on my tank and do the bronze color in lace. Then I would do some side panels in lace as well....kind of like very large inserts. Then you would have very little of the base being bare on there which would almost make it look like lace over bare metal, which would be kick ass. Then, like you're planning, put in the brass accent pieces to tie it all together. I saw a bike with copper colored spokes on here somewhere, and that could look just plain sick on here too. Either way, the bike looks absolutely amazing. Really.
Troy, I for one love that color on the tank as a base. If it were me, I would tape off a stripe loke on my tank and do the bronze color in lace. Then I would do some side panels in lace as well....kind of like very large inserts. Then you would have very little of the base being bare on there which would almost make it look like lace over bare metal, which would be kick ass. Then, like you're planning, put in the brass accent pieces to tie it all together. I saw a bike with copper colored spokes on here somewhere, and that could look just plain sick on here too. Either way, the bike looks absolutely amazing. Really.
boomshakalaka
Over 1,000 Posts
Re: 360 dragger/bobber brat what ever
Ive never been a big fan of chrome, but it did look better with the blue tank. Now with the bronze I think you definitely need to paint it to match.
Ive never been a big fan of chrome, but it did look better with the blue tank. Now with the bronze I think you definitely need to paint it to match.
Re: 360 dragger/bobber brat what ever
+1
how many coats of the bronze have you put on? it will darken with a couple of coats I reckon. Leave it that colour brass the top in lace and leave the sides should do it.
Defo paint the fender and headlight to match the tank (bronze)
+1
how many coats of the bronze have you put on? it will darken with a couple of coats I reckon. Leave it that colour brass the top in lace and leave the sides should do it.
Defo paint the fender and headlight to match the tank (bronze)
Re: 360 dragger/bobber brat what ever
Thanks for the input guys. You don't know how much I appreciate it! Yeah, I think a lace job and stripes done in antique bronze is in order. Kiley, I really have no idea what to do with the sides ??? At one point I was even thinking some sort of scallops??
I may paint one of my ratty fenders. The bad is it will require a bunch of body work.
also, I'm not looking forward to painting the headlight bucket. It is jb welded shut because the po broke the retainer tabs. I ordered one online but i f'd it up with pant stripper
. Gave up for the time being and used the broken one lol.
Oh, BTW Kiley, how did you get the lace to lay down? I've read where guys use cheap hair spray??
Thanks for the input guys. You don't know how much I appreciate it! Yeah, I think a lace job and stripes done in antique bronze is in order. Kiley, I really have no idea what to do with the sides ??? At one point I was even thinking some sort of scallops??
I may paint one of my ratty fenders. The bad is it will require a bunch of body work.
also, I'm not looking forward to painting the headlight bucket. It is jb welded shut because the po broke the retainer tabs. I ordered one online but i f'd it up with pant stripper
. Gave up for the time being and used the broken one lol.Oh, BTW Kiley, how did you get the lace to lay down? I've read where guys use cheap hair spray??
Maritime
Over 10,000 Posts
Re: 360 dragger/bobber brat what ever
Hey, this is awsome, love the bike, I was thinking the copper fuel lines, I hear they crack to, but why not use a larger diameter and feed a rubber line inside and then if it cracks it won't leak? the copper/brass would really just be a sleeve to cover, I am sure you can get some really thin wall tube to do it with. You get the look without the worry. I would also paint the fender to match the tank. This bike really doesn't need the chrome, a few small pieces would be ok but the big chrome fender is too much.
Cheers,
Keep up the awsome work.
Hey, this is awsome, love the bike, I was thinking the copper fuel lines, I hear they crack to, but why not use a larger diameter and feed a rubber line inside and then if it cracks it won't leak? the copper/brass would really just be a sleeve to cover, I am sure you can get some really thin wall tube to do it with. You get the look without the worry. I would also paint the fender to match the tank. This bike really doesn't need the chrome, a few small pieces would be ok but the big chrome fender is too much.
Cheers,
Keep up the awsome work.
Re: 360 dragger/bobber brat what ever
only reason that i would stay away from the lace stripes man... to me that is a very girly effect... hell Maria has been practicing it for her bike. i would say doing something like droplet effects or something along those lines would be better, hell i even like comb scraping (tape off everythting you do not want hit, lay on your top coat really thick, then take a stiff brissle brush that you have chopped up a bit and drag it down the freshly painted surface, after it drys clear the piss out of it... give it a very cool effect almost worn, and lets the main base color show through... i think that is a bit more "manly" than the lace)
as for the gold leafing, it comes with everythig you need, there are some KILLER how-to's on your tube... basicly you apply the glue, let it tack up, then rub on the leafing, after that sets a bit i take Q-tips, or flet pads on socket heads and jsut give it a very light spin, adds a nice effect allmost tooled. once it all drys... use a soft cloth and rub it and anything that did not have adhesive goes away! you can clear this or leave it as is... i usually clear it a few times. for negitive decals i use gary (GHI Signs gary@ghisigns.com) he makes some awesome stuff! Swapmeet Louie has hooked me up as well and his stuff is flawless as well. I am sure either one of them can make you some negitives to follow, then you just lay down the neg decal, paint on the adhesive, pull up the decal and wait for it to tack up, after it tacks up follow the above. people use this to antique old picture frames... that is why you look in the frame section at craft stores
only reason that i would stay away from the lace stripes man... to me that is a very girly effect... hell Maria has been practicing it for her bike. i would say doing something like droplet effects or something along those lines would be better, hell i even like comb scraping (tape off everythting you do not want hit, lay on your top coat really thick, then take a stiff brissle brush that you have chopped up a bit and drag it down the freshly painted surface, after it drys clear the piss out of it... give it a very cool effect almost worn, and lets the main base color show through... i think that is a bit more "manly" than the lace)
as for the gold leafing, it comes with everythig you need, there are some KILLER how-to's on your tube... basicly you apply the glue, let it tack up, then rub on the leafing, after that sets a bit i take Q-tips, or flet pads on socket heads and jsut give it a very light spin, adds a nice effect allmost tooled. once it all drys... use a soft cloth and rub it and anything that did not have adhesive goes away! you can clear this or leave it as is... i usually clear it a few times. for negitive decals i use gary (GHI Signs gary@ghisigns.com) he makes some awesome stuff! Swapmeet Louie has hooked me up as well and his stuff is flawless as well. I am sure either one of them can make you some negitives to follow, then you just lay down the neg decal, paint on the adhesive, pull up the decal and wait for it to tack up, after it tacks up follow the above. people use this to antique old picture frames... that is why you look in the frame section at craft stores
Re: 360 dragger/bobber brat what ever
This is just my personal opinion, but copper lines attached to hose/barbed fittings looks contrived. To do it right, you'll have to do a flared fitting on both sides and completely remove the rubber from the system.
Copper tube is fragile and not really made for this application. Instead, research cunifer. I think that is more appropriate material.
--Chris
This is just my personal opinion, but copper lines attached to hose/barbed fittings looks contrived. To do it right, you'll have to do a flared fitting on both sides and completely remove the rubber from the system.
Copper tube is fragile and not really made for this application. Instead, research cunifer. I think that is more appropriate material.
--Chris
Swagger
Putting boot to ass since 1967!
Re: 360 dragger/bobber brat what ever
Common practice on old racecars, think pre-1950...which kinda fits this styling exercise.
Bend your copper line with your basic brakeline bender and route your hardline so it looks nice and goes where you need. Leave 1/2" gap at either end and connect with rubber line and hoseclamps....or better yet, three wraps of stainless safety wire and a proper twist.
In the old days cars and bikes were build by hand as you are doing here. Time was taken to bend up lines and route cables correctly and it showed. Cars and bikes now are built with as little outlay as the manufacturers can muster. Hence....rubber hoses and plastic crap.
Flairing and solid mounting a FUEL LINE on a vibration ridden 30 year old bike with the tank on a completely separate harmonic than the engine is begging for a crotch full of flaming gas. Which should only be served to those who suck........
(rant removed to protect the innocent)
(got cut off by a stupid douchebag hipster this morning and nearly dumped my Super3....)
Common practice on old racecars, think pre-1950...which kinda fits this styling exercise.
Bend your copper line with your basic brakeline bender and route your hardline so it looks nice and goes where you need. Leave 1/2" gap at either end and connect with rubber line and hoseclamps....or better yet, three wraps of stainless safety wire and a proper twist.
In the old days cars and bikes were build by hand as you are doing here. Time was taken to bend up lines and route cables correctly and it showed. Cars and bikes now are built with as little outlay as the manufacturers can muster. Hence....rubber hoses and plastic crap.
Flairing and solid mounting a FUEL LINE on a vibration ridden 30 year old bike with the tank on a completely separate harmonic than the engine is begging for a crotch full of flaming gas. Which should only be served to those who suck........
(rant removed to protect the innocent)
(got cut off by a stupid douchebag hipster this morning and nearly dumped my Super3....)
Re: 360 dragger/bobber brat what ever
Hey guys!
With the lace Troy, you just strech it as tight as you can get it and tape. It works well, just pull tight. I wet my lace and the wrung it out to where it was just damp. If you don't the lace will stick to the under surface. I think he lace looks awesome. I'd love somebody to tell me that our 31 dodge Ratrod with a spercharged 396 big block and zoomie headers looked girly! That's just me though, to each their own! And maybe you could do the lace stripe with scallops on the side that are weathered like jrk said. You can actually get a crackling compound that works well with spray paint, I've used it before. Makes it crack up like old barn paint. Looks cool as hell.
You can melt down beeswax in a pot on the stove (you can get blocks of it at craft stores) when you finish your bag, you paint it with the melted wax. When it drives it gives the bag form and a cool weathered "oily" patina.
I've never used copper line, but it sounds cool...especially if it was raw and allowed to tarnished. Awesome. Good work buddy, I love this bike!
Hey guys!
With the lace Troy, you just strech it as tight as you can get it and tape. It works well, just pull tight. I wet my lace and the wrung it out to where it was just damp. If you don't the lace will stick to the under surface. I think he lace looks awesome. I'd love somebody to tell me that our 31 dodge Ratrod with a spercharged 396 big block and zoomie headers looked girly! That's just me though, to each their own! And maybe you could do the lace stripe with scallops on the side that are weathered like jrk said. You can actually get a crackling compound that works well with spray paint, I've used it before. Makes it crack up like old barn paint. Looks cool as hell.
You can melt down beeswax in a pot on the stove (you can get blocks of it at craft stores) when you finish your bag, you paint it with the melted wax. When it drives it gives the bag form and a cool weathered "oily" patina.
I've never used copper line, but it sounds cool...especially if it was raw and allowed to tarnished. Awesome. Good work buddy, I love this bike!