I think they're too long....

erock85

erock85

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I ordered a rim from Buchanan Spokes a while ago and figured since the stock cb360 rear rim is an 18" that I would be safe reusing the stock spokes, well it appears the spokes are a bit too long as they still have quite a few turns left to get tension and already sticking through. Is there anything I can do without getting custom spokes ordered?

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Re: Re: I think they're too long....

AlphaDogChoppers said:
Just grind the ends of the spokes down when you are done.
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Yep, then rim tape 'em and call it good.
 
It's possible that the new rim has a deeper dish in the center than stock, but before you take the "ankle grinder" to them, check that the pattern is the same as stock. Are they Cross 2 or Cross 3 stock?
 
teazer said:
It's possible that the new rim has a deeper dish in the center than stock, but before you take the "ankle grinder" to them, check that the pattern is the same as stock. Are they Cross 2 or Cross 3 stock?
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That's good advice, but I think if the pattern was laced wrong, that the amount of spoke protruding from the nipple would be a lot more. It looks to me like the center depression of that rim is a little deeper, (which would make tire changes easier.)
 
Finnigan said:
Are you sure you dont have the inners and outers mixed up?
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I am almost sure they are not mixed up. I have the shorties on the inners and the full 90° bend on the outers. Although I used a xs650 tutorial
teazer said:
It's possible that the new rim has a deeper dish in the center than stock, but before you take the "ankle grinder" to them, check that the pattern is the same as stock. Are they Cross 2 or Cross 3 stock?
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I believe the new rim does have a deeper dish, which makes sense for them being too long. I'm not sure the stock pattern, but I did use an xs650 tutorial which I think is the same as cb, but I could be way wrong. I mean everything went together great.
AlphaDogChoppers said:
Just grind the ends of the spokes down when you are done.
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I will have no ill effects from doing this? That is good news and was my initial idea but didn't want to cut them off if I had to send them back. What about some spoke washers? Would anyone advise against that to make up some of the difference of the deeper dish?
 
Don't use washers.
Grinding down the ends of the spokes when a little too long is standard practice.
 
AlphaDogChoppers said:
Don't use washers.
Grinding down the ends of the spokes when a little too long is standard practice.
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Thanks for your help Alpha, one more question, how much is a little too long? haha I'm afraid they might be way long. The pic above is where they sit now but are still pretty loose, maybe 4-5 more turns to get any tension
 
if you run out of threads, which it sounds like you may :'( you should be able to figure out if that is so,also worked into it that you will need to retighten them soon after a bit of working load on the bike
....you can roll some more threads on there most mc shops have had a thread roller if they been around for a few decades
man i wish i could find one
 
Yeah, they are only too long if you run out of threads and can't tighten the nipple any more.

The nipples have a counterbore where the spoke enters it, so the tip of the nipple is able to go quite a bit past where there are visible threads. The whole idea is that the nipple completely hides the threads.

A spoke thread roller is pretty expensive, so if you need to add 1/8" more threads, you will have to have a shop do that for you. Don't use a die to cut threads. Spoke threads are not cut, they are rolled. A die would weaken the spoke.
 
AlphaDogChoppers said:
Yeah, they are only too long if you run out of threads and can't tighten the nipple any more.

The nipples have a counterbore where the spoke enters it, so the tip of the nipple is able to go quite a bit past where there are visible threads. The whole idea is that the nipple completely hides the threads.

A spoke thread roller is pretty expensive, so if you need to add 1/8" more threads, you will have to have a shop do that for you. Don't use a die to cut threads. Spoke threads are not cut, they are rolled. A die would weaken the spoke.
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Oh well if that's the case then I've only tightened them to where the thread is just covered by the nipple. I should be fine then to tighten and grind them off.... I think :-[
 
I bought new spokes from buchanan, about 1/5 of them protruded a little...I dremeled them down, no problems....
 
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