No Oil. I might be screwed CJ360

codyelg

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Oh god, so you guys, I've had this bike for a few months and I feel like I may have just tanked it.

So i've had the bike a few months and have loved it. It recently became my main form of transportation.

So the ol' ex love interest called to hang out so yours truly decided to jump on his bike and make the 45 minute trip to go see her.

I'm on the highway going about 70 and I hear a weird rattling sound. I thought maybe my speedo cable had come loose, and then all of a sudden I start losing power. I safely pull to the side of the highway and as I'm slowing down I see my oil dipstick is loose.

I figured, oh well no big deal.

So i slow it down and then downshift and as I do the loud rattling stopped because my oil dipstick blew a good 8 ft into the air.

A thousand expletives flew from my mouth as I hit the kill switch and pulled into the emergency lane.

The bike had some heat coming off of it, kind of smokey. So I retrace the good 20 ft and end up finding my dipstick, I clean it off and put it back in place and start on the long lonesome walk down the onramp.

During my stroll of misery the bike cooled down enough so that when I got off the freeway and to a safe spot I was able to check my oil and didn't see a thing on the dipstick. The bike had a small oil seepage that was never a problem, though the headgasket was in the mail to replace the current one because of the small seepage.

I walked a good mile to the nearest gas station retrieved a quart of oil and walked back to the bike. I put the oil in it and started her up. Now she didn't hold idle very well so I went ahead an advanced it a little. This allowed me to limp it to the gas station and it had ZERO get up and go. By the time I got back to the service station I knew something was seriously wrong.

I figured if I put another half quart of oil it might be fine.

I put another half quart in and rode it around on city streets. Still no power, so I took it to a different service station and saw it was leaking oil a bit more than it had before.

It's super sluggish and has a distinct clicking sound coming out of the left side of the engine that wasn't there before.

I left it in the upscale town and returned the next day with a friends truck and took it out to my uncles house, he has experience working on dirt bikes. He suspects that the rings are blown and that they need to be replaced.

If you guys could offer any insight to this I would appreciate it so much. I wanted to get a slightly bigger bike but I love this little yellow beauty and don't wanna give up on her.

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Did you run it completely out of oil?

Drain out what's in there and look for things that aren't oil. If your uncle has a compression tester then you'll want to check that out too. If those numbers come back low it'll be time to open up the motor and see what damage has been done.

On the bright side you have a fairly simple motor to rebuild :)
 
Welcome to the toasted-head 360 club!

Here's some pics of mine after the same thing occurred. It's gonna cost a couple of hundred buck in parts to fix it. Worst case scenario you'll need head, cam, and rocker arms. If you're lucky, you might get away with just new rocker arms, though.

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Just for reference, the 360 HATES being low on oil and it can't sustain RPMs over 7000 for more than a few minutes at a time. Combine those two and you end up cooking stuff.
 
Re: Re: No Oil. I might be screwed CJ360

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That just brings a little tear to my eye.

Are rocker arms still readily available for the 360? Finding them for my cb450 spare motor was a lost cause at my price point.
 
I will only use Rotella 5w/40 full synthetic with extra 2 oz ZDDP added.
Brendon did around 6,000 real hard miles on 360 before it holed a piston (over advanced timing plus poor impulse control ;) ;D )
You will need heavy duty clutch spring though but that's $15.00 well spent
 
Sonreir said:
Welcome to the toasted-head 360 club!

Hey, I'm in that club! I did it twice!!!

You're gonna learn from this. It's not hard, and many of us have been there before. We'll help you through.
 
Thanks for the speedy replies everyone.

There wasnt anything chunky in the oil, and yes it ran completely out.

The thing is, it'll start first kick and actually idle pretty well, it just has no torque at all. Also there is smoke coming out of the tail pipe, leading me to believe im getting oil up in the combustion area.

This is all after one observation I'm not starting it again after that ha.

Can anyone give me brief description on what function the rocker arms perform?

I know a good amount about cars but bikes are a bit foreign to me, but I catch on quick, I promise.
 
Kanticoy said:
Hey, I'm in that club! I did it twice!!!

You're gonna learn from this. It's not hard, and many of us have been there before. We'll help you through.

thanks for this too, im in the bay area and the weather is so nice right now not having my bike is killin me!
 
codyelg said:
Can anyone give me brief description on what function the rocker arms perform?

I know a good amount about cars but bikes are a bit foreign to me, but I catch on quick, I promise.

The rocker arms follow the cam and depress the valve when the lobes are in the 'up' position. If you've eat through the rocker arms, they won't be opening the valves as much as they should be opening. That's the loss in power you're feeling.
 
What, nobody asks the most important question? You let a blown motor stand in the way of completing a booty call? :D
 
Sonreir said:
The rocker arms follow the cam and depress the valve when the lobes are in the 'up' position. If you've eat through the rocker arms, they won't be opening the valves as much as they should be opening. That's the loss in power you're feeling.

This is brilliant and sounds like EXACTLY what im experiencing. You said it was possible to refinish them, is there any place online I can purchase these? I'm gettin ready to tear into this baby tomorrow, throw on those old Otis Redding slow jams and try a little tenderness.

Tim said:
What, nobody asks the most important question? You let a blown motor stand in the way of completing a booty call? :D

My brother is letting me borrow his car, I'm going out there for dinner tonight!
 
codyelg said:
This is brilliant and sounds like EXACTLY what im experiencing. You said it was possible to refinish them, is there any place online I can purchase these? I'm gettin ready to tear into this baby tomorrow, throw on those old Otis Redding slow jams and try a little tenderness.

New? Probably not. Used from eBay was where I got mine.

You can probably have yours repaired and resurfaced for about $50 each.
 
New ones do turn up now and again but not very often and have gotten real expensive
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-ROCKER-ARM-VALVE-14432-369-000-FOR-HONDA-CB360-CJ360-CL360-/200703108801?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2ebad666c1&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-Valve-Rocker-Arm-1970s-Honda-CB360-CL360-/130773582886?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e72b68426&vxp=mtr

This would be a much better buy

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Honda-CB360-CL360-Cylinder-Head-/350812552011?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item51ae0ebb4b&vxp=mtr
 
So I bought the head, I figure 30 bucks well spent. I'll see what I can get into this weekend and I'll let you guys know.
 
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