Smallest battery possible to run?

quadracer351

Coast to Coast
Im finally jump starting my cb750 k4 project back to life. Next on my list of things to do is come up with a battery/storage tray for under the seat and seat hump. Im looking for the smallest battery possible to run on a stock k4 with electric start, led tail, led turn, H4 12v 60/55w headlight. Shorai recommended the LFX14L5-BS12. Its a 12v, 60 w/hr,210 CCA. This battery would fit but if there is any smaller battery out there that would work that would be better for me. Any help would be greatly apreciated guys!
 
Sonreir, I think when I was in the middle of this project I sent you a message about this and you said its best to run a 9Ah or 11Ah 8 cell li-ion. Im not good at all with electronics but A/Hr is the same as Ah? If so the one suggested to me is 14
 
Yeah... Ah and A/Hr are the same. It's an abbreviation for amp / hour.

Any 8-cell lithium ion will work fine so long as you're using a modern regulator / rectifier. I'm running this one in my Duc and it's been working just fine:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-Grom-12v-8-Cell-LiFePO4-Lithium-Ion-Battery-LED-GAUGE-490-2501-/251578391200?pt=Other_Vehicle_Parts&hash=item3a933d9aa0&vxp=mtr
 
That's a pretty tiny and affordable battery, are those dimensions correct, L 4 7/16, W 2 3/4, H 3 3/8? Also how do you think they compare to a battery like Shorai, a big price difference like that always makes me a little worried as to why it's so much less. Also I was looking into a modern rec/reg combo from Ricks motor sports or dcc unless you can point me in another cheaper direction again!

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Depending on your time frame, we're developing an R/R for the Honda SOHC bikes right now. Hoping to be able to start retailing in the Autumn sometime.

As far as the battery comparisons go, I like the quality and performance of Antigravity, but the other brands all seem to be about the same. Like I said though... no issues at all with my WPS and I've put almost 3000 miles onto it so far.
 
Hmm I'd definitely be interested in it, you have an idea on price? I still have time, need to still get some parts painted (once I find a place to do it) and my motor will be at works engineering for about a month getting a re build and I'll be ordering one of those batteries but just to be sure, a stock charging system other than a modern reg rec will be fine with that battery? If so I'll order it very soon!

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Sonreir your advice on this email from the Shorai company. Thinking about ordering the WPS in the morning .

" If you could fit the LFX18 it would be even better. The LFX14L5 is nominal for the 750cc motor, even though it is 210 CCA and 4500 mAh. LiFe chemistry is 1/3 the actual capacity of the lead acid equiv. However, the older bikes didn’t have such a large capacity need as the new bikes with computers and what not.



If you could afford to go up a bit, I’d get the LFX18L1-BS12 - W=2.60” (66mm), L=5.83” (148mm), h=4.13” (105mm) (it has 6000 mAh) and 270 CCA. Although if you have a stripped down version, you could stick with the LFX14L5-BS12, but could not go down further, such as the LFX14L2-BS12, as the 4000 mAh would be too little over time."
 
Standard sales and cover-your-ass kinda stuff.

They want to sell you twice the battery you need so that they won't have any chance of being wrong.

The big things to look out for in an LI-ION (and its derivatives) battery are the voltages. If you discharge the battery too much, the voltage drops below a certain level. This is bad because it degrades the internal copper electrodes. Same thing happens if the voltages get too high. This damage is not reversible.

Minimum voltage on a lithium ion battery is about 12.5V. 12.8V to be safe. Max voltage is 14.6V. Any deviation from these voltages starts to cause damage. In the case of starting the bike, voltage will usually drop below 12.5V for a little while and these repeated cyclings are what cause the battery to eventually fail. A larger battery has less voltage drop and will sustain less wear over its lifetime, though. All batteries have a limited life span, so this is just part of the game.

The real issues come into play when the minimum and maximum voltages are violated by a large amount or for long periods. Voltage regulators on older bikes are often "good enough" for lead acid, but not suitable for newer battery technologies. Many vintage systems see 16V+ on a fairly regular basis. Likewise, the charging systems for some vintage bikes don't start making enough power to run the bike until 3000 or even 4000 RPM. This means that when you're idling, you're actually running off the battery. If you idle a CB350 with a four cell lithium ion battery for an hour, that battery will be a door stop. But if you put a modern regulator / rectifier onto that CB350, don't idle for long periods of time, and do a lot of your riding on the highway, that same battery may last you three or four years.

The issue has a lot to do with rider habits and battery manufacturers just can't account for every idiot out there. Be smart about it and you can make your own selections.
 
I wish I knew more about electronics but it's always been too intimidating for me to get into, really need to start focusing more on it especially before getting to wiring my bike. I'm thinking I'm just going to place the order for the wps today since it cane suggested by you, but I do love in NYC so will be in stop and go traffic at times but with a modern reg and rec I'm guessing i should be ok.

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How do you feel about this Antigravity one? Going on a 74' CB 350f stock motor, Ricks R/R, Led Tail light, Led blinkers, Dynatek Ignition and coils. Will be mostly summer riding only, and I will be retaining a kick start.


http://antigravitybatteries.com/ag-401/
 
What kind of a regulator are you running on your Ducati?

Sonreir said:
Yeah... Ah and A/Hr are the same. It's an abbreviation for amp / hour.

Any 8-cell lithium ion will work fine so long as you're using a modern regulator / rectifier. I'm running this one in my Duc and it's been working just fine:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-Grom-12v-8-Cell-LiFePO4-Lithium-Ion-Battery-LED-GAUGE-490-2501-/251578391200?pt=Other_Vehicle_Parts&hash=item3a933d9aa0&vxp=mtr
 
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