1970 Honda CB450 K3 - Grey Ghost Build

Re: 1970 Honda CB450 K3 - Tentatively named "Grey Ghost" Build

Hmm. Well first off, sorry for all the typos in that sentence. I was writing it fast on an ipad. Is the top bolt spinning or the nut inside thats threaded at the top of the fork rod? If the nut and rod spin together when you try to loosen them, you can gently compress the top of the spring and grab the rod with some pliers and a rag. That should hold the rod and allow you to loosen thenut.. also try zapping the nut with a little PB blaster or WD40.
 
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Duplicolor Acrylic Enamel. Comes out nice once it has cured for a week... fingerprint magnet though.

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How exactly did you go about shortening the forks? I'm looking to lower about an inch or two.
 
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Sent them to Forking By Frank. They know their stuff inside and out, just let them know the make, model, year and what you want to do.

It cost about $80 to have them cut and remilled, with shipping.
 
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Since I painted my new top triple tree in black acrylic enamel, I pulled the lower triple clamp and stripped it down using my Dremel and a 120-grit flap disk attachment. I messed with the aluminum oxide bit and a sanding barrel for about 5 minutes until I saw it was eating through the metal very quickly. I forgot these were made of aluminum. Also, don't take these to a wire wheel and bench grinder, even if it's marked "brass". I tried that too. No good, unless you want to quickly cut dead weight from a structural part of your front suspension. :)

Whenever stripping paint or putting on paint, make sure to wear a "rated" mask with a respirator. The white dome/bird flu dusk masks don't do much for filtering out very fine particulates or organic vapors. I picked up this 3m jobber for about $30 bucks. It's comfortable and I don't have to worry about blowing black paint dusk out of my nose for the next 2 days. It's just hard to eat a burrito in one.

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Anyways, I did use a steel wire wheel to clean up the cheap paint and rust from my engine mounting brackets. I liked the raw look of the metal after cleaning these, but I decided to paint them as well, while testing out the VHT paints I bought for the engine.
I'm still deciding between Cast Iron or Cast Aluminum with VHT Engine Enamel. You can see the two side by side below.

Aluminum on Left, Iron on Right.

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I did finish up by painting the cleaned lower triple in Duplicolor Black Acrylic Enamel and my Tarozzi Lo-Rise clip-on bar mounts in VHT Cast Aluminum. The Cast Aluminum color has a slight metallic flake to it. It matches the original silver cast aluminum of the unfinished Tarozzi's. Just a light coating went on to even out the finish. I didn't bother baking or curing these. If they chip, you wouldn't notice. And they are just as easy to pull off and repaint.

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Re: 1970 Honda CB450 K3 - Tentatively named "Grey Ghost" Build

After about a week slowly picking away at cleaning up the engine. I used a combination of a dilute Green Clean solution to rinse the engine surfaces, then using a nylon brush and a tooth brush (different things) I just scrubbed away. I'd also use a more powerful industrial strength citrus cleaner for the grimey parts. I then went over all surfaces with a Red scotch brite pad.
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The biggest pains were getting inside the fins. Its not too difficult to get a brush into the crevices to about the same point that you can visually see the metal, the problem is getting all the dirty, oily foam out. Also, they are great places for dried spider nests that really get worked into the bristles of your brush if you happen on one. Make sure to the blast those suckers, along with all the other dirt out with compressed air before scrubbing.
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The frame took far longer to get done then scrubbing the engine. This is because I chose to save money and take on the task of stripping it down to it's birthday suit myself. Why? Because I'm cheap and because I like doing things myself.
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I started it by trying some aerosol aircraft stripper. Because I had to do this part in the garage or risk killing myself, my girlfriend, and my dog with the fumes, it was pretty damn cold in there. I do live in New Hampshire. I think this worked against the aircraft stripper, because it didn't do sh*t. Even if I wrapped the frame in a trash bag while having a heater aimed at it, the stripper barely took off the clear coat on this frame. When I did get past that with a scraper and took off the aquamarine color coat, the mysterious maroon primer/rust layer underneath just turned to an oily mess. I still don't know whether this was some oil or lead based primer, or just a liquefied layer of rust that developed underneath the top coat, but air craft stripper just makes it smudgey.

I tried out a wire wheel attachment to bite into the paint and then adding aircraft stripper. Didn't help much (it's still cold). I also tried a Quick-strip disc but that is a pain in the ass and I overheated my power drill. I also went at it with a DA sander and some purple 120 grit automotive grade paper. I went through an entire sheet of it with little results.

All in all, I found these methods were either too time consuming, tedious, or I'm just too damn impatient. This below pictures is after about 3 hours of trying the methods above. Some people might say that's good progress, but I wasn't convinced.
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Finally, I wised up, and ate into the $100 cost-savings budget of doing this myself and bought an Needle Scaler from Harbor Freight for $30. Sweet Barbara, this thing is bee's knee's.
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I finished the rest of the frame in about 3 hours. It turns paint into fine bits of confetti that just drop down underneath your work. No sand to clean up, no paint fumes, and no repetitive movements. I'm surprised I hadn't found a single post on the forum for using this. It also takes rust and other nasty bits of scale like nothing too. The trick is to just keep it moving, perpendicular to the work surface, and keep it oiled before and after use. Also, it sucks a lot of air, about 4 CFM at 90 PSI, so either have a big tank or expect the compressor to be running constantly. And, ear pro is a must. This sucker is loud. Its metal banging, scrapping, and slapping against metal.

It does leave an imperfect finish, it doesn't smooth it down like glass bead blasting, but it takes off paint in even the tights nooks and corners. I just hit the surfaces with the purple 3M paper and it smoothed it down quite nicely. Far, far, quicker than sanding the entire thing.

Once I was done scaling and sanding, and I used some Rust Converter on the bottom of the frame that had some rust spots that remained after sanding. All those dark runny looking stains are from the Rust Converter running while I had the frame upside down. Rinsed the beast down with alcohol and lint-free towels, masked it, and it was ready for paint.

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Re: 1970 Honda CB450 K3 - Tentatively named "Grey Ghost" Build

Since I didn't have any exposed rafters in the garage (living room above it) to hang my engine from, my buddy came up with this idea. We threaded a 1" thick broom stick through the head and hung it between two saw horses. Then just hammered in some nails to keep the thing from rolling.

It's held there for a week and hasn't cracked. Just a helpful tip for anyone who wants to have better access to the bottom of the cases, etc.

Washed and dusted the engine once more in the garage and got ready for paint. I heated the garage with a propane heater when it was "warm" out, aka 42 and sunny. Hit it with VHT enamel grey primer and then VHT engine enamel in Cast Aluminum. You know how it goes. Here are pics:

Before:

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During:

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After:

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Very pleased with the finish. I only had 1 run because I got over eager to cover a thin spot. I like the look of Cast Aluminum, its very similar to the factory aluminum, just more luster and no shine.

I masked off the stator, oil filter on the lower case, and the tach box, points, etc covers on the top head. They are in poor shape right now, so I'm debating polishing them to a mirror finish, or going the opposite route and painting them a darker contrasting color. Either way, I dig it.
 
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That looks a heck of a lot cleaner

I've never used a needle scaler to remove paint before, only to remove slag and spatter when stick welding. I'm surprised it worked well on the paint.
 
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I think that's it primary use as a tool, for slag and splatter since the needles can bump off the loosely welded splatters. But I guess a lot of automotive restorers use them for removing rust and scale from underbodies. I wouldn't let this thing touch thin sheet metal or a gas tank, but it definitely doesn't tear into the frame steel. I am going to try it next on my chain guard and if it doesn't chew that up, use it to strip my fenders.

It's definitely clean, and could be even cleaner that what you see in my pictures. I let the paint chips pile up pretty high before cleaning them (for snacking on later).
 
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Frame before:

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After 3 coats of VHT satin "batman" black epoxy:

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That was only 1 can, the Autozone didn't have anymore in stock. This weekend, after it has cured for 7 days, I'm going to coat the bottom and probably another medium coat over the entire thing.
 
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Haven't updated in quite some time as the build sorta stalled out. Going through some issues on the homefront which back burnered the build. I've been lugging the frame around for 3 weeks in the back of my Subaru working on it whenever I have a free minute during lunch breaks or before crossfit. Mobile workshop ftw.

Since I had the frame apart, I decided to swap out the steering bearings for tapered ones from All Balls. I read a lot around different forums on the bitch of removing the bottom race. Mine was no different. The thing wouldn't budge.

I saw that Park Tool makes a bearing race remover tool for $40, but someone on thumpertalk made their own using electrical conduit. I tried making the same thing, basically an 18" steel pipe with for slots cut into the end and then flared out. This should have, in theory, been able to be inserted upwards through the bottom of the neck, and the flared ends would expand to just above the race. That part worked. The part that didn't was the fact that the race was so well stuck in there, that the steel fingers ended up mushrooming!

I wound up cutting slots in it very carefully with a dremel (not all the way through in case I hit the inside surface). I then wailed on it with a tire lever and sledge while my buddy held it in place.

New races and bearings went in easy after that. Put the lower steering stem and top+bottom races in the freezer, left the frame and bearing cartridges in the sun for an hour. Fit together like a glooooove.

I also used the thinner spacer that comes with the set to make sure my bottom triple didn't rub the neck. I forgot to put it under the bottom bearing cartridge of the neck, so I instead placed it ABOVE the bottom race inside the neck. Same effect. Had a slightly clearance issue fitting the notched cap nut on the top end of the neck, but it still grabbed it even with both oil seals in place.
 
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Once the front bearings went in, I got back to work making the bike a rolling frame again. Front and back suspensions went in, along with the wheels, and Tarozzi clip-ons. I am going to try mounting the clip on's above the top triple for a bit. When I had them just below, I found the stance to be too far forward, making it uncomfortable since I'm sticking with mid controls. Having them above makes it so my posture is less bent in a half and more closer to the original handlebar stance.

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We'll see how it goes, either way, its easy to swap out as the bike gets moving again.
 
Job well done so far Sir. Looks amazing, I will definatley be following this project to see the end results. Again wow awesome
 
I hadn't had a chance to get through my list of builds I follow in a while, but WOW! This looks really good! =)
 
Thanks guys. Progress has been slow going but I'm chipping away at getting it all reassembled and finish the final touches. The weather warming up has really been getting me antsy to just backburner all the additional projects I want to do on the bike and just get it running and rolling. Projects like retrofitting an HID lamp, polishing the engine case covers, and painting the wheels will just wait until I get free time after it's done!
 
Finally got a chance to have a buddy swing by and give me a hand mounting the engine back on the frame. Using a broomstick strung through the top of the head makes it super easy allowing someone to stand on the right side of the bike guiding the engine in, while still supporting the weight!

I did figure out that I accidentally pinched the ignition wire between the engine and the frame while mounting it (after my friend had left). So I had to slightly lift the front end to free it. Almost knocked the whole bike off the center stand.

I really dig the color I chose for the engine mounting plates. I wanted to make sure they stood out but did not become too pronounced, so I matched my tank color in VHT engine enamel (cast iron). I think I'm going to paint the head flanges this color too, as they are pretty rusty. I hit them with a wire wheel, but it will not get in between the fins.

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I still need to clean up the stator, oil filter, and points/tach covers. They have gone nearly gold with age. I think hitting them with a Scotch brite metal and some rub on metal polish will work for now.

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I've just about given up trying to polish the top cam shaft covers. I've tried wet sanding them with 400/800/1000 wet, then polishing them with a denim wheel + brown tripoli, then a cushion wheel + white rouge. What winds up happening is I seem to be cutting them metal, even with a cushion wheel! The wire wheel didn't even take off this material. Part of it will start to become mirror-like, but then other parts look like its being gouged. I've been keeping with the "grain" with sanding and the different wheels.

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Since I want to get the bike back together, I'm just going to sand them again, and polish them by a hand to give them an "intended unfinished" look. ;)

One question I have, if anyone cares to chime in, is about gaskets. I picked up a full top engine gasket set from Dime City. These are, what I believe, the non-asbestos kind. Do they require any layer of gasket sealer/RTV/gasket dressing when mounting them? Or should I just lay them between the two surfaces and tighten it?

Thanks in advance!
 
I've left this thread die again, so here I am reviving it. I've been putting in major go-time on the build and normally forget to take pictures for this thread or my blog. In the past few weeks I've done the following:

Upgraded the generic EMGO pod filters for <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000N5UCEG/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B000N5UCEG&linkCode=as2&tag=manua080-20">Uni 2-Stage Angle Pod Filters</a> ( 51mm I.D. x 102mm Length). I read either here or on HondaTwins a write-up on the benefits of going with Uni or K&N if you're going to switch to pods from an airbox. One of the main design flaws in the EMGO's was the fact that the filter size does not change with outlet diameter. Also, the internal surface of the rubber outlet boot on the EMGO's are ribbed for, what I'm guessing, better grip onto your carb inlets. This seems to induce air turbulence as the internal profile is also not tapered inward to increase air velocity. The UNI's are designed correctly to both taper and have a smooth internal surface. They were about $30, over the $15 I already spent on the EMGO's, but likely worth it.

Since the UNI filters I bought are dual-foam, the size of them is larger than the EMGO's. I had to go back and make up a new battery tray to provide enough clearance for the filters and still sit below my seat pan. I scavenged an aluminum tray from work, which conveniently had a stepped down smaller box on the front end. I cut down the walls to the correct height so that it was sit below my frame rails and clear the foam filters. I'm actually contacting them slightly, but being foam, this should not restrict any airflow.

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I picked up a <a href="http://www.harborfreight.com/18-inch-bending-brake-39103.html"> $30 sheet metal brake from Harbor Freight</a> and bent a nice Z-bend out of 22ga aluminum, which I rivetted to the tray to allow the tray to hang from the rear frame support. I used rubber mounted P-clamps to secure the front of the battery tray to the frame rails. This also gives me about a 1/4" extra clearance for my Shorai battery and terminals beneath the seat pan. There is very little room there to begin with.

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Into the tray went the foam pads included with the battery to isolate vibration, and also bolted down to the "mini box" in the front went the solenoid. On the front of the tray, I mounted my Kohler rectifer and also used some thermal compound. This makes the entire tray a heat sink for the rectifier, as it doesn't get my air flow in this area.

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Since taking the photos above, I also reduced the length of wiring inside the battery tray to clean it up a bit. I also soldered in a bladed fuse holder to replace the outdated tube-style fuses.
 
I also installed a new 530H gold chain on the bike, borrowing a friend's RK chain tool.

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the damn chain is the shiniest thing on the bike.

Since a surprisingly high amount of people I know with bikes don't even know how to cut/rivet a new chain, I put together a youtube video on how to use the tool. The friend I borrowed it from used the tool on his CBR1100 and broke the press pin on the first try. He didn't watch my video. 8)

http://youtu.be/0Twcxk0Figw

It's lengthy but it's free. So bite me.
 
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