American Made - Whats it mean to ya?

To that point:

"The wages of those workers are shockingly low but nonetheless represent a vast improvement on their previous, less visible rural poverty." - Paul Krugman

This is from an essay that he wrote when he was still an economist rather than a rabid op-ed writer.

Well worth a read, I think: http://www.pkarchive.org/global/WeAreNottheWorld.html
 
I can't let that go. "as a proud retired Canadian" you are full of shit. You shame any Canadian who ever worked with their hands for a living. ( retired with 41 years as a Marine Electrician )If you ever did get your hands dirty, you've forgotten about it . Ahh, the saying, " the working class can kiss my ass, I've gotten the Bosses job at last"... at what price. You are an apologist for the AH's of this world, American, Canadian, European, Arabian and many others, who put $$$ over people and justify their reason by using self-serving arguments to justify their positions. I bet you believe Conrad Black got a raw deal, Harper and Flaratey are the Cock for Dolly, and Frumm should come back from the US and lead the Tories.
 
the economics of it are a little more complicated than has been discussed in the thread really... a lot of what's made it difficult to pay a living wage to workers in this country while still making competitive products has a lot to do with the difference between a private and public company. With a private company, the profit incentive is there but not as much as a public company, so a private company can sometimes take a loss for a year or two to invest in new equipment, or training, basically things that will help them be competitive in the longer term. Credit is harder to get for a private company, because they're basically relying on leveraging their actual assets, and/or relying on a small group of stakeholders. However, they can make the call as to what's going to keep them in it for the long term, and those who have a stake in the business are more connected to it and better understand the need to reinvest in the company to maintain long term growth (they basically understand the benefit of earning 3% over 20 years with a sustainable company, vs earning 10% for 2 years and risking the health of the company).

Public companies are basically the same, but instead of their credit coming from small groups of stakeholders and bank credit based on their assets, their credit comes from a large unattached group of investors "wall street", the price of their stock more or less determines their borrowing ability, and the price of their stock is based on anticipated health and growth of the company, as well as assets. The issue with the public model is that often the stock price, and the company's ability to borrow and reinvest in itself, is largely subject to speculation. In that, people who invest professionally will accept the need for a company to reinvest to remain in the game, and will accept a lower rate of return on stocks over a longer term, they understand that some return rates aren't sustainable and often avoid companies who post returns but are fundamentally weak. The problem is that with short term investors, companies who post 10% returns often see a huge spike in their value based on the desire for quick returns, while sustainable companies making steady but lower profits get looked over and find it more difficult to get the credit they need to grow reliably. So what happens is that public companies almost have to seek the fastest growth model to stay viable in "wall street", and that often means shipping production overseas, sacrificing quality, not investing in new technology, etc. So it's great for a little while, but it's not a sustainable way to run an economy, and eventually the 10% growth model will slow and reverse as people are put out of jobs and can't afford the products that are being imported now. So in a way, it's the way things go, it's no one in particular's fault, it's just a system that has inherent flaws... that being said, I buy American wherever I can, and if the hardware store down the street has it, I won't go to Home Depot for it, I still seem to have enough money to keep a roof over my head and feed my dog, so I think it's not a bad way to do things...
 
` `cry me a tune... Still comes down to "profit over people". CQYQTE didn't answer any of the questions, didn`t expect him too. Can`t without showing his true side, no dirt under his fingernails.. Ahhhh, still an AH in my books, he don`t give a fuck as he cashes his dividend cheques from sweatshop in Vietnam or elsewhere... You still gonna end up in the ground. like all of us. People will go to you funeral, but`I must be fed, or I won`t`t go...` Your still be dead, motherfucker.. with lying AHs saying they think you was the best...best what.... But he don`t care about any of this, stupid, only word for it.
 
I have to apologize to everyone including ' cry me a tune", though you seem rather pathetic.. I have let my passions get the better of me. I am pro union, no apologies for that, I am pro people,again no apologies there either. i have a greatest respect for someone who has bettered themselves by their hard work, not inherited it, and not left bodies behind. A person in Vietnam in a sweatshop is deserving of a living wage as you and I are. The sad fact I have found in 62 years on this planet is that generally people have forgotten where they came from and that with their new found status also goes a responsibility to others. "Nobless Obligue". Even more sad is that a lot people don't care. They just don't care...and they never will becauce they are too shallow. Excuses,excuses,excuses abound. but, not many reasons. Again my apologies to anyone I may have offended. As an aside, to:cry me a tune, and others... remember the garbage strike in Toronto, who had the power then.... back to the original question, I'll pay a few more $$ to support local made products. Guess I'm a Ludite.
 
See what I mean, doesn't give a shite. Wanker!!! To Rich Ard, I'll give $40 CDN to end this crap.
 
My tag line says it all for me. I respect all countries. America is nothing more than a melting pot of all and thereby should be comprised of the best qualities from the sum of its parts.
 
We are a big fan of American made. To me there is a sense of pride in knowing that making our products here pay a wage to someone who may have a family. The other is the fact that this country has outsourced for so long that we have become a society of " I want it cheap" who cares about quality. I'm not saying that all products else where can't be made as good. But I do think this country can do better than almost all 3rd world countries manufacturing.

Case in point. Cafe Fabrications makes all it's stuff here and we use domestically made alloy's. Our prices are higher than most which is a problem for us. I get a lot of request for cheaper parts. If I ship my parts overseas I can lower the prices drastically. But were not going to do that.

We know that we offer a part of very high quality and finish, that helps pay a wage here. I personally went to great lengths keeping it all here. If you go to our web store our t-shirts are made and printed here even our Messenger and Tote bags are made and printed domestically. Actually every single product we produce or sell is made in the Good Ole U.S.A.

For us we have a lot of pride in knowing if I have a question about a product, I can pick up that thingy called a telephone and call the actual people making our shit. (We make all the alloy stuff so I can just talk to myself on that one).


We all need to realize that if this country ever wants to get back on track we need to keep our money here as often as possible.

I posted a while back about making a universal wiring harness that would be fairly basic. I had a ton of request for it and PM's. But the biggest issue was the majority wanted it under $100.00. This was a big eyeopener for us because I realized as a society we are pre-disposed to wanting something for nothing.

It also made me realize that we have lost a bit of value for our time. How many hrs are spent on these projects splicing and soldering old crappy wiring? Just to have an issue two weeks later because of some frayed or cracked lining! I thought if we could make a harness here in the U.S.A that would fit most bikes for $150.00 wouldn't that be Awesome? Apparently most did not. So I scrapped the idea for now. I will return to it in the future but for now it's on the back burner.

Some who came to Barbers and stopped by our booth commented positively on the quality of our stuff and how we made it. That was powerful for us because we worked hard on a lot of that stuff and the designs.

So yes Made in America means something to use. I wish I could buy all my stuff made here. It's just not very easy to do. But I for sure do my part when ever I can.

grant

www.cafefabrications.com
 
keep in mind, what this country has always been good at, (though we get complacent sometimes and need to get our asses kicked around before we smarten up), has been innovating. it's interesting to see how stuff goes overseas to be made with older methods to make it cheaper because labor is so much less expensive there, but successful companies in this country have the benefit of some really inventive folks, who often come up with new ways to make the same things more efficiently or so much better, that the 3rd world factories can't compete after you factor in shipping and raw materials costs.
 
When I bought the ingredients for my dirty martinis I made sure the vodka, vermouth an olives were all produced in the US.

MURICA!


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All of this has been great conversation and fertilizer for my growing thoughts regarding the idea of American made. I made the decision yesterday and ordered my equipment and supplies. I have decided to go 100% American made on all my products, right down to the supplies I use. Doing all that research, it is damn easy to want to veer off the path and pay a 1/3 or 1/4 the American price but to me it is worth it and I hope that shows in the end result of the things I make. Thanks to everyone on here for contributing their thoughts.
 
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