"Do the Ton" rear sets - Lets do them cheap - No takers???

I have some questions regarding the original drawing too. 6mm bolts go through those curved sections and into the backplate, so I assume the backplate is tapped to receive them? I guess they'd be held together with threadlock or something.
 
the best way to make them adjustable is to look at how the new style rearsets are set up to be adjustable... like these
so if we can design a clamp that will allow for the grate to bolt to that... then we bolt the linkage to that.... we can make these so they work no matter what or where they are put!

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JPanichella said:
I have some questions regarding the original drawing too. 6mm bolts go through those curved sections and into the backplate, so I assume the backplate is tapped to receive them? I guess they'd be held together with threadlock or something.
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I'm going to assume they're tapped as well. Upon closer inspection of the original image, the holes in the main arm look to be closer together in order to adjust the angle. I'm guessing is just uses pressure to keep it in that position as I'm not seeing any teeth or ridged surface on either part to keep it locked in that position.
 
I can work on getting the files converted and out in a couple of days, my machine is swamped with work right now...
 
bcfellow said:
I can work on getting the files converted and out in a couple of days, my machine is swamped with work right now...
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Are there any patents or copyrights on this design that will get anyone in trouble?
 
do not see why considereing we are doing the creating and making them... our machines are always up to run new programs!
 
I submitted the images as a draft proposal and the parametric files under a non disclosure. The clamp adjustable clamp concept was generated by my design consultancy. I am just looking to find someone to make them. I'm happy to have the intellectual property of the design and files will be sent/licensed to whoever decides to run a limited set for the 'Do the Ton' group - which makes me raise a question - what should the license state as the production run? There have been a good handful of responses, and probably more once they are made. Will 25, 50, or100 sets cover the group?

Whoever makes these, I am not looking to earn $$ per set off the design. If the guy running the CNC wants to charge a few bucks per set for his set up time and troubles (on top of material costs), then I am cool with him keeping that. After all, if someone was doing some machining at cost I'd at least buy him a couple cases of beer. What I'd like to get out of the design work and file is two sets for my 400f's. There should be a prototype set anyways to check over bugs etc.

Also I am waiting for a response from Dixiedevil, I offered him first crack at them, but I have not heard back.
 
Well i can tell you that i am not going to charge, but my CNC guy will 100% bank on that. he makes custom parts and they are PERFECT every time. he will charge to make them and the stock to do it as well... what that cost is i have no clue. I am not trying to mass produce these suckers, just help people out, i am way to swamped with my shop as it is...

Hell if it comes down to it i will just wait on Kodiac to get back on his feet and can rock those out then ;D... but you can not expect a machinest to wip these out and not charge, i expect to pay when i have something made it is how it work. he is not into cafe's mostly harleys and custom chops, makes top of the line stuff for me on point, great turn around, and never a flaw so i have always and will continue to use him... hell i have 2 bridgeports and 2 lathes in the shop so i can pretty much make anything on them i need, but it boils down to time... he can cnc stuff alot faster than i can change chucks set peramiters and cut it super slow...

dont get me wrong i am all about helping people out, but we are talking custom parts, with stuff like that i expect to pay as shoudl anyone else.

liscensing and copyrights is not what this thread was started on, it was helping us out on getting rear sets, so we dont have to keep making bastard sets from sport bikes (has worked quite well though :) ) i am sure we can make these no doubt but i can not expect my guy to do them for free or a case of beer... he makes his living on his machine i have to respect that... i dont build bikes or paint/powder for smiles and beer... ok so i have... but not often
 
bcfellow said:
I submitted the images as a draft proposal and the parametric files under a non disclosure. The clamp adjustable clamp concept was generated by my design consultancy. I am just looking to find someone to make them. I'm happy to have the intellectual property of the design and files will be sent/licensed to whoever decides to run a limited set for the 'Do the Ton' group - which makes me raise a question - what should the license state as the production run? There have been a good handful of responses, and probably more once they are made. Will 25, 50, or100 sets cover the group?

Whoever makes these, I am not looking to earn $$ per set off the design. If the guy running the CNC wants to charge a few bucks per set for his set up time and troubles (on top of material costs), then I am cool with him keeping that. After all, if someone was doing some machining at cost I'd at least buy him a couple cases of beer. What I'd like to get out of the design work and file is two sets for my 400f's. There should be a prototype set anyways to check over bugs etc.

Also I am waiting for a response from Dixiedevil, I offered him first crack at them, but I have not heard back.
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I think an idea of production numbers would be based on how many will purchase them right away which I would think would be depended upon price per set and the prototype functionality. I have no idea about material cost so does anyone have a clue how much a "ballpark" final price might be?
 
not untill a draft is done can i get you a price... he needs to see what he will need and what stock we will have to order (or use from the stock in house) tuff to ball park custom stuff
 
I'm not sure if you wanted to keep it exclusive to this forum, but I am sure there are some folks over at the SOHC4 forum who would be interested, if you wanted to get them in on it.
 
ahh i see what your talking about now... man i dont care who we make them for! it is cafe stuff bud! so hard to find as it is!!!! we should and could help out anyone that needs it... hell without the inner cafe networking parts would NEVER come to be!
 
before we get 10000 people all amped up about them... how about we get a product first. once we have a demo, get the kinks worked out.. then we can spread the word.
 
JPanichella said:
I'm not sure if you wanted to keep it exclusive to this forum, but I am sure there are some folks over at the SOHC4 forum who would be interested, if you wanted to get them in on it.
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This is why I am on both forums.....

I am only looking for rearsets, I plan on welding a plate (possibly flame shapes) to the frame for them.
 
I'm not saying your machinist should lose money or not get what he feels is a fair return, I'm saying the opposite. A good machinist is a fantastic asset, and it always impresses me what guys with skills can do.

Don't take my statement on the licensing etc wrong - those are just part of the design industry that I am in. Just like your machinist has his time and values, so do designers, engineers, architects,etc. They deal with infringement etc by non disclosures, licensing etc. It's like someone not thinking the machinists time is worth value, so they simply take the parts and walk away.

I'm all for helping out this forum and the cafe racer community. I've done design work in the motorcycle/motorsports industry numerous times. For this forum, I put what would amount into a considerable engineering/design bill into it, and I have NOT asked for a royalty, or fee. I am offering this up to the forum. The reason for licensing and patent submissions is to prevent someone taking a product and mass producing them them for the wide general market. I'd like to exchange some of my hours worked for some of a machinists hours worked, which I think is fair.

I'm not looking to make money of anyone in this forum, I want the forum to have them and enjoy them. The legal jumbo is to keep the design from getting ripped off by a company, or used for excess personal gain.
 
bcfellow said:
I'm not saying your machinist should lose money or not get what he feels is a fair return, I'm saying the opposite. A good machinist is a fantastic asset, and it always impresses me what guys with skills can do.

Don't take my statement on the licensing etc wrong - those are just part of the design industry that I am in. Just like your machinist has his time and values, so do designers, engineers, architects,etc. They deal with infringement etc by non disclosures, licensing etc. It's like someone not thinking the machinists time is worth value, so they simply take the parts and walk away.

I'm all for helping out this forum and the cafe racer community. I've done design work in the motorcycle/motorsports industry numerous times. For this forum, I put what would amount into a considerable engineering/design bill into it, and I have NOT asked for a royalty, or fee. I am offering this up to the forum. The reason for licensing and patent submissions is to prevent someone taking a product and mass producing them them for the wide general market. I'd like to exchange some of my hours worked for some of a machinists hours worked, which I think is fair.

I'm not looking to make money of anyone in this forum, I want the forum to have them and enjoy them. The legal jumbo is to keep the design from getting ripped off by a company, or used for excess personal gain.
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Here are my thoughts on this.

1. I threw out the cnc lathe I have in my garage as a freeby. Kodiak seemed to have the mill part down. I thought I could help with the turning stuff. My day job I run lots of mills, so if Kodiak isn't established for a bit, I have access to a many cnc machines. Not sure I want to run hundreds of parts for people, but if we need to do a reasonable run, I am down with that. Not looking for anything other than material, and even that I have quite a bit of laying around. I already have machined my rear sets for my latest project, so I don't care either way, just trying to help the group.

2. I don't need anyone to design already designed rear sets. I run Solidworks all day, generate code, and then machine parts. Shit WAY more difficult/complicated than rear sets. No offense bcfellow, but I don't need you...you need me. If you want to work in an equal environment, I am open to that, but I will never have anyone hold something over my head, that I can simply do myself. I don't think your time is not valuable, just thought this was more of a co-op deal, and now it is turning into a "this is mine, and that is yours" thing.

3. Where are you going to place the pivot point on this "clamped on" rear set? The only way I see this working is to place it on the upper of the rear triangle facing forward and down, seems the only straight section of tubing. The loop tubing around the engine is usually radiused inward.
 
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