I HATE lawyers.

WeberKid said:
so far my second year is not as much work, but I also had the sense to take 2 classes this summer.


Oh yes, life is so much better after year one. You finally know the pecking order. Wrenching become more than just a study break between Contracts and Torts.

Will you be doing any clerking in your second or third year?
 
I sorta like my lawyer, actually paid him a small bill today. At first he made me nervous, thought he was dense. Then I came to realize he's a young dude and needs to think before he speaks. We should all do more of that.

Actually I've only had one "bad" lawyer experience, cost me a few hundred bucks. Seven years later it's a funny story so WTF. Part of the maturation proccess where you learn that many "professionals" aren't.

Anyhow seems to me(not saying it's the case here) that many people who bash lawyers either don't understand the legal system or have gotten themselves into a huge mess and expect a lawyer to magically pull them out unscathed for cheap.
 
Ha I had stopped paying attention to this thread. But, I'll take the opportunity to shamelessly self-promote (because I'm still excited), but also to out myself as a member of this profession. Just passed the bar exam today. Blessed to be gainfully employed as well. All things looking up. So, I like lawyers I guess is what I'm trying to say.
 
Heck ya man! Congrats! I've said it before, any lawyer that rides a CB350 is cool in my book.
 
A dog walks in to a butcher shop, while the butcher is in the back the dog grabs a nice roast and runs out to be just seen by the butcher who cant chase after him.

The butcher recognises the dog and knows the owner but doesent know what to do.

So the butcher calls his freind who is a lawyer, explains the situation and asks for some advice. The lawyer says in his opinion it is not wrong to send a bill to the owner of the dog for the roast.

The next day the butche does just that and the lawyer finds a bill for a $40 roast in his mail box!

The next morning the butcher finds a $250 bill for legal advice in his.




Going through high school we had law and psyc. I took both and found them very interesting. I very much enjoyed the criminal and tort side of law. ie "what would a reasonable person do", "resonable doubt", "Wrongfull action and ill intent" (cant remmeber the latin).
 
I majored in Psychology and minored in criminal justice. Along the way, I took a butt load of poly sci and law classes. Love that stuff!
 
Garage Rat said:
"Wrongfull action and ill intent" (cant remmeber the latin).

actus reus, mens rea.

also - if anyone has any legitimate problems, malpractice is a real thing and it pays handsomely. I'm currently learning to be absolutely terrified of it in my legal ethics class.
 
my pops' a lawyer, workers comp. works his ass off, and doesn't drive a shiny beamer. theres good and theres bad. i guess this same topic could go pretty much the same as if it was 'I HATE cops'. because we all remember one or two cops that are cool, but we also remember the 8,000 cops that were quite the big dicks.


not to get off topic though, so anyway, it was a fun thread to read! goodluck all you lawyers and go public defenders!
 
I guess the lwers on here are going to offer free advice on legal aspects?

Thought not :mad:
 
As an aside, when I was growing up, we had a 1% biker gang, the Grim Reapers (offshoot of Outlaws), based out this town. A tradition of this area is the beer stube and a regular site at these beer stubes was this local biker gang and their president. It was easy to spot him as he had a shiny bald head and was always surrounded by his "court", if you will. He eventually went to prison for arson/murder. I hadn't heard his name in many, many years. The gang was eventually run out of town. They moved to a neighboring town and kept a very low profile. I don't know if they are still around. In my field of work (social services), I happened on a transitional housing unit for homeless men. I got one of my clients a place there but soon was called to sit in on a disciplinary hearing for this guy (10 yr stretch in penitentiary, lots of attitude). I noticed one of the board members as a distinguished looking man. He introduced himself to me and his name floored me. He was one and the same, former president of a notorious gang and ex-con! I finally had the nerve to ask him about his past. He was very forthcoming. He once had a job in the lab of a very large aluminum processing plant (one of the biggest, if not the biggest) plants here. He somehow got involved in "the life" and found himself the president of this "club". While he didn't speak of his crime, he told me that he earned his degree while in prison. When he was released, he went to law school. He's now a well known attorney.
 
crazypj said:
I guess the lwers on here are going to offer free advice on legal aspects?

Thought not :mad:

there's no such thing as free advice. giving advice has a huge cost. if we don't know the local laws and let, say, a statute of limitations run by saying, "take your time and collect evidence" - if the case was good to begin with, the lawyer giving free internet advice could potentially be held accountable for malpractice when just trying to help somebody out. different places have different laws. there is plenty of free advice I'd be happy to give (as a student) that applies across the country - such as "don't talk to the police, you can't talk yourself out of an arrest. the only reason they talk to you is to get evidence to use against you. ask for a lawyer or ask if you are being arrested. nothing else need be said."
BUT. nobody wants this advice. people want advice about "how long do I have to sue this guy" or "can i sue this guy for this" or what defense is available to me when" which a lawyer should NEVER give over the internet (aside from an established lawyer/client email). nor should anyone be foolish enough to go looking for it. that's the best legal advice you'll get. honestly.
 
also. law is a profession - like a doctor. you need to take a very difficult test to even apply to law schools, on top of a good GPA to get in - like a doctor. you have to pass an extremely difficult test to practice - like a doctor

your child is bleeding profusely from the neck after tripping with a pair of scissors. do you hop on web MD and look for some free advice on how you can take on a complicated issue and handle it yourself? no, you see a doctor.

the only difference between a medical issue and a legal issue is the immediacy. it's still a profession. if a lawyer doesn't live up to their title or profession you treat them the same as a doctor that botches your child's neck repair. malpractice. the only reason lawyers catch such a bad rap is because society is afraid to go after them, but lawyers are more vulnerable than you could even imagine, and very rarely does anyone do anything about it. do something!
 
biker_reject said:
As an aside, when I was growing up, we had a 1% biker gang, the Grim Reapers (offshoot of Outlaws), based out this town. A tradition of this area is the beer stube and a regular site at these beer stubes was this local biker gang and their president. It was easy to spot him as he had a shiny bald head and was always surrounded by his "court", if you will. He eventually went to prison for arson/murder. I hadn't heard his name in many, many years. The gang was eventually run out of town. They moved to a neighboring town and kept a very low profile. I don't know if they are still around. In my field of work (social services), I happened on a transitional housing unit for homeless men. I got one of my clients a place there but soon was called to sit in on a disciplinary hearing for this guy (10 yr stretch in penitentiary, lots of attitude). I noticed one of the board members as a distinguished looking man. He introduced himself to me and his name floored me. He was one and the same, former president of a notorious gang and ex-con! I finally had the nerve to ask him about his past. He was very forthcoming. He once had a job in the lab of a very large aluminum processing plant (one of the biggest, if not the biggest) plants here. He somehow got involved in "the life" and found himself the president of this "club". While he didn't speak of his crime, he told me that he earned his degree while in prison. When he was released, he went to law school. He's now a well known attorney.

I should have expected this ending due to the fact this threads about lawyers, but I didn't, and it was an awesome story!
 
WeberKid said:
there's no such thing as free advice. giving advice has a huge cost. if we don't know the local laws and let, say, a statute of limitations run by saying, "take your time and collect evidence" - if the case was good to begin with, the lawyer giving free internet advice could potentially be held accountable for malpractice when just trying to help somebody out. different places have different laws. there is plenty of free advice I'd be happy to give (as a student) that applies across the country - such as "don't talk to the police, you can't talk yourself out of an arrest. the only reason they talk to you is to get evidence to use against you. ask for a lawyer or ask if you are being arrested. nothing else need be said."
BUT. nobody wants this advice. people want advice about "how long do I have to sue this guy" or "can i sue this guy for this" or what defense is available to me when" which a lawyer should NEVER give over the internet (aside from an established lawyer/client email). nor should anyone be foolish enough to go looking for it. that's the best legal advice you'll get. honestly.

I actually think he was talking about the legal and regulatory aspects of riding and owning a bike? Perhaps not, but that's how I interpreted it.

Also, as a current law student its best not to go around encouraging people to file malpractice suits ha. I mean I say that in jest, but truthfully I believe that they are not easily brought due to the difficulty of proof and the cost involved. I hope you are enjoying law school. Its true that by the time 2L and 3L year come around you're a veteran. By the way, my understanding is that public interest is the way to go to get that loan forgiveness hhaha. Public defender sounds like a wise decision.
 
iSack1L said:
I actually think he was talking about the legal and regulatory aspects of riding and owning a bike? Perhaps not, but that's how I interpreted it.

Also, as a current law student its best not to go around encouraging people to file malpractice suits ha. I mean I say that in jest, but truthfully I believe that they are not easily brought due to the difficulty of proof and the cost involved. I hope you are enjoying law school. Its true that by the time 2L and 3L year come around you're a veteran. By the way, my understanding is that public interest is the way to go to get that loan forgiveness hhaha. Public defender sounds like a wise decision.

I have to disagree on the malpractice. I think the profession has a bad rap and I for one am not afraid of malpractice because I plan on being wholly up-front, honest, and sincerely do my best for my clients. Anyone doing anything less needs to be kept in check. I'll grant it's easy to be an idealist, but after working so hard trying to join a profession that people don't respect - its disheartening. So long as it's not a hush hush taboo topic, I think it can only better the practice and your reputation.

in regard to cost, I'm sure some civil lawyer is looking for an easy contingency fee job, and if lawyers are as bad as everyone says - there's no shortage of claims. unless of course people are just upset about their situations and the frustrations are misguided towards their representation. I haven't ruled that out yet.

public interest is definitely the way to go! I'm very excited about the loan forgiveness - but I would have been a public defender either way. I'm definitely enjoying my studies - I hope you are too. I miss being able to wrench and ride whenever I like, but when I'm done I'm thinkin of taking a cross country ride. see the country. meet up with some internet friends. live a little. some day.
 
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