Pamco Electronic Ignition - CB360

[mydlyfkryzis]

He hasn't said, but I believe it will be fixed, duplicating a properly functioning mechanical one, ie: full advance at 3500 RPM.

However, I don't have the inside scoop on this, so there may be some adjustment available.

I know he is redesigning the Rotor for the new system, and without the mechanical advancer, it should be much more reliable.

He was talking about. about $220, for the "new" setup. This places the price below the other electronic advance systems, but more than those that use the mechanical one. Probably a happy medium, since even if it isn't adjustable, it is still nearly half the price of a Bore-Tech system. While the program-ability of the Bore Tech is tempting, since I am not racing, and really only need a standard advance curve, the Pamco will be exactly what I need.

I like the adjust-ability aspect, but in reality, I'd probably never really need or use it. So the Pamco will fit my needs and budget perfectly.

 

[620dark]

I'm going to go ahead and hop on this bandwagon in hopes of news about a CB360 pointless ignition...

 

[crazypj]

I prefer my points, I know they can be a PITA to set, but, they act as a rev limiter(they are designed that way)
I know for a fact on previous bikes that electronic 'points' will allow 13,500+ rpm (things could break over 12,500)
As I may get carried away I would prefer a miss fire rather than a blow up.
If your more 'restrained' than me, it will probably be a good mod ;D

 

[620dark]

Modern EFI has spoiled me I want my 37 year old junk to be as reliable as my 7 year old junk!

 

[timeconsuming]

I prefer my points, I know they can be a PITA to set, but, they act as a rev limiter(they are designed that way)
I know for a fact on previous bikes that electronic 'points' will allow 13,500+ rpm (things could break over 12,500)
As I may get carried away I would prefer a miss fire rather than a blow up.
If your more 'restrained' than me, it will probably be a good mod ;D

Never knew this. I can't imagine redlining that hard though!

 

[crazypj]

Don't see why not, if you read the handbook, redline is only advisory, don't operate there for extended periods.
Your losing out by not red-lining, it isn't a 60hp 5,000rpm motor, it's a 32 hp 10,000rpm motor, use it and abuse it ;D

 

[mydlyfkryzis]

Stock, the 360 runs out of breath above 9k rpm. My 69 CB350 used to go to the top of the tach easily though (12k RPM). I ran off the tach a few times back them. I was younger and more foolish then though...

 

[4 stroker]

any news about this ignition?

 

[mydlyfkryzis]

Pete is working on some other models first. We won't hear more till he has them done. He has said by " by the next riding season" and from what I have seen, he means exactly what he says.


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[Wangofree]

I bit the bullet and ordered an EI from Viet Bac Pham of Acacia Vintage Motorcycles. I decided for $90 it is a good compromise until Pamco Pete comes out with the CB360 EI. Details will be posted on my build.

 

[mydlyfkryzis]

The point base doesn't look quite right. It looks like a cb350 point base. I may be wrong, but it looks small. The cutaways are in the same place as a CB350 also

Since the advancer is the same, that should work.

Do a quick fit check....The guy in Nam may of thought the 360 and 350 were the same. If they were, Pamco would already had one for us...

Top pic is CB350
Second pic is CB360

 

[Wangofree]

Hi MLK,
Thanks for the photos and update. I know Viet has fabbed 350 units, but he said to send my points plate and advancer and he would create one for the 360 off those parts. I see what you're saying, just not sure if there will be an issue.
Is there anything I can photo that will give you a better picture of what might be an issue?

Thanks.
Mike

 

[mydlyfkryzis]

Well, in the same picture put your point plate right nest to the new one. If there is a size difference it should be visible.

Of just test fit it. Did he tell you the orientation of the sensors? Depending on the rotor magent orientation, it will be easier if you get the timing somewhat close too.

EDIT: I also remembered Pete from Pamco saying the difference between the 350 and 360 was the point plate. For the CB360, he was going to use the point plate from a XS650 Yamaha, which he said was the same diameter.

 

[Viet]

Well, in the same picture put your point plate right nest to the new one. If there is a size difference it should be visible.

Of just test fit it. Did he tell you the orientation of the sensors? Depending on the rotor magent orientation, it will be easier if you get the timing somewhat close too.

EDIT: I also remembered Pete from Pamco saying the difference between the 350 and 360 was the point plate. For the CB360, he was going to use the point plate from a XS650 Yamaha, which he said was the same diameter.

Hi,
I do make the comparision between Cb350 and Cb360 on following details:
1. Is it in the same ignition phase: answer: yes - they have the same 90 degree sensor set up. i have checked both timing cam and point plate set zup for this. the cam for 350 are exactly the same with 360

2. Is the point plate size compatible: the 360 is approx 1mm larger in OD of the plate than the Cb350, it is in acceptabe ranges

3. The marking, 360 is located abit to the right, that would be manually adapted by turning the sensor disk.

4. XS650: I am not sure on other model but on my model (special) sensor is to be located 180 degree to the other. It means, it is differed to 350.

And, I am not an electrician cham, I am just making the solution with market available module like HEI 4 pins, sensors. The HEI might not good over 5000rmp on a V6 Ford as the ratio is 1 for 6 cyclinders but if the ratio is 1 for 1 cyclinder, it will allow almost unlimited to your engine' rev (refer to dwell issue)

Many thank to Mike who help me know this for CB360
Viet

 

[Wangofree]

Many thank to Mike who help me know this for CB360
Viet

I sent an email to Viet and asked him to elaborate on the questions. There are also so questions and responses on my build thread listed below. Thanks Viet.

 

[mydlyfkryzis]

He is right on the XS650 being a 360 degree ignition. Pamco is using the plate as a base, but setting it up for the dual sensor 180 degree. The reference was for size, not sensor number and location.

Maybe the size will work anyway...So try it out. If it works, it is a nice little setup.

 

[Wangofree]

Thanks MLC, we'll see how it goes. I will definitely be posting a video when the time comes to "start her up".

 

[Wangofree]

Exciting news with Acacia Vintage Motorcycles electronic ignition for my 360. Check it out on my build thread, page 20. I think Viet has got the earlier issues fixed. Things look very promising for this system to work. ;D

 

[mydlyfkryzis]

I think Viet system is a viable alternative for those wanting/needing a basic electronic ignition. However, it still uses the stock, mechanical advancer. What PAMCO has done is given us an electronic advancer. No more weak advancer springs, stuck weights. The electronic advancer is exactly what I want. What Pete has done is retarded the timing below 100 RPM so kick starting is easier too. You can't do that easily or at all with the mechanical advancer.

If you stay with the stock mechanical advancer, Viet's system looks to be the price/value leader.

For electronic Advance, PAMCO is now the price/value leader.

Charlie's Place ignition still uses the mechanical advance and cost's more then PAMCO.

Boretech is about 2X the price of PAMCO but offers user programability as well as electronic advance.. .


At this point in Time, I think PAMCO has the absolute best mix of features and a great price point.

However, it is a free market and you can choose what you like.

 

[SONICJK]

I see the draw of the electronic units,
But I am a little lost on the "easier starting" thing.
All of my bikes (all points) will start with less than a full kick, every time and I am by no means the worlds best tuner. I fail to see why this is an issue?