Project: Pariah - CJ360T | Now with bad pics of even worse welds

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let us know how the at home welding lessons go. i didn't realize you could get a welder for that cheap and now i'm thinking about doing it.
 
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Ive got the same welder I am using on my project the GS550. It leaves real ugly welds and get better wire flux. The wire that comes with it is crap I bought some different stuff when I ran out of it and its night and day difference no clue why still a noob on welding.
 
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Will do, Johnny. I'm sure I'll make plenty of mistakes and I don't mind laughing at myself.

Thanks for the heads up, Cafe. I read the same thing on a few of the product reviews, but you never know how much to believe reviews. They're always worth reading through, but sometimes the people are incompetent, have an axe to grind, etc.

I checked out your build thread. The seat looks like it came out nice. Do you have any closer pics of the welds before you prepped it for paint? It's good to be able to see what it can do.

A buddy of mine, who only recently started welding with a similar setup, recommended Lincoln .035 for mild steel, which I think should be strong enough. He also suggested beveling the edges and stressed the importance of using clean material with no rust or anything.
 
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Ill take some pics tom of my welds on the tank mounts. The welds are ugly but if you want to fill them in I found on thicker metal you can put the heat setting to min(on the welder), and just weld more and more sod into your messy holes tilll you have enough to grind smooth with no pits. Just my experience hell I could be doing it wrong.

Anyways in the end for my seat build bondo was my friend filled in the little pits nicely!!
 
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Next round of purchases has begun. Picked up a new welder, gloves, helmet, apron, some Lincoln wire, a scroll saw with some metal blades and a space heater for the garage.

Also ordered some new polishing supplies and I hope to pick up some metal remnants or other scrap practice materials over the next couple days.

Ordered a bunch of stuff for the GS, but that's going to end up needing its own project thread, so I'll add that there when I'm a bit closer on it.

For now, I've got to learn how to weld.
 
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I have one of the HF small welders and it works great for light duty welding. For welding metal roughly the thickness of the motorcycle frame I used 1/8 inch rods with the welder turned pretty much all the way up. For thinner metal like the fender metal I used 1/16th rods with the welder turned up to about 1/4 of the way. With practice you can get half way decent looking welds. Welds may not be good enough to get you a job at Nasa but... well, maybe they would be. ::) Lookin forward to see how ya do.
 
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Nice video, Joe. And thanks for the tips!
 
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I find the best position to weld in is sitting crossed legged in shorts. The smell of burning flesh adds to the experience... and a few beers helps to steady the hand...

In all seriousness though, welding is a bit of a drug, once you start its hard to not find random bits of ferrous material around the shed and just spark up for the hell of it!

now if only i had a TIG...
 
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belch_brother said:
In all seriousness though, welding is a bit of a drug, once you start its hard to not find random bits of ferrous material around the shed and just spark up for the hell of it!

So TRUE. I can't tell you how many things I've wanted to weld together with mine. I do have one word of caution on the HF unit. I bought one too a while back. I got the MIG version. The fluxcore wire burns much hotter than if you weren't using fluxcore wire (which isn't an option on that particular welder if I remember correctly) So thinner metals and the ends of pipes etc will burn through VERY quickly. And spatter as someone else pointed out is very common. I heard you can buy some sort of anti-spatter spray or something to help with that but he could have been pulling my leg... Just remember that anything STRUCTURAL you do...you may want to have someone look at it, and never make your own handlebars.

Bruno
 
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You're right, Bruno. It is flux core only. There is no gas option on this welder.

I've had an interesting couple of days. I made a new friend who happens to be a fabricator. He has opened up his shop and all of his equipment to me in exchange for some technical help for his business. I'm going to make him a basic website and help him get it all up and running. How he's been doing this for so long without keeping up with the times is beyond me, but he must be good at what he does because he's off to Egypt for a job in a couple of weeks.

His shop is roughly 10,000 square feet and it's pretty much all metal working equipment. In some places it's a bit hard to walk. Messy for sure, but I imagine one could make a lot of cool stuff in here.

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Oh yeah....and he also has one of these......One of my dream cars.

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A mint condition 69 Z28 302 Four Speed can fetch between 75 - 100k. This one, however, has been a road race car since new (hasn't been run since '94). It's caged but not tubbed, and it's still pretty cool if you ask me.

Back to the bike.

My welder buddy was able to find time to come by this weekend and give me some tips....Well, he makes paper now, but he was a welder up until a couple years ago.

Along with the HF welder I recently picked up, I've trying my best to get all the necessary accoutrements as well. One of those items was a spool of Lincoln wire as opposed to the factory supplied flux core spool. A lot of the online reviews mentioned less spatter with the Lincoln wire. However, Aaron and I agreed early on that since we were just practicing, and I'm just learning, we'd start off with the cheapy factory supplied spool. I also picked up some scrap steel from the local hardware store, as well as a helmet, some gloves, an apron, various types of clamps and magnetic holders, seamers, etc. Aaron is a kickass person and brought two of everything as well.

We first cut some strips from an approximately 2' x 2' sheet of flat steel and cut those into sections about six inches long. Then Aaron dialed in the welder by tack welding the strips into essentially six inch long T-bars. Aaron commented on how easy the machine was to get up and running and dialed in.

As I'm in the process of rebuilding the front forks on my GS, rather than pay $70 for Suzuki's dampening rod tool, I picked up a 1/2" steel rod about 2' long and we figured that would be the first thing we welded. We cut five inches off one end and welded it on as a T-handle. On the other end we welded a nut. Aaron did all the work on it while I watched. He wasn't really going for a nice weld on it, but was more interested in having me understand the sound I was looking for. Bacon-esque. I'm pretty stoked that I can actually make something useful from some scrap metal and the stuff in my garage.

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Fork tool.

He then did a couple quick passes on a piece of our T-bar to not only show me what I'm shooting for, but also to see the quality of welds from this fine $99 piece of HF dreaminess.

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He wasn't tooting his own horn or anything, in fact he pointed out some mistakes like the porosity on the left side and what not, but overall he was pretty impressed with the quality of weld from such a value priced welder. We only attempted to clean up the slag and "dingleberries" on the right side of the piece, to get an idea of what it could look like, otherwise we just took the wirebrush to the welds to get a look.

I did a short pass or two on some other pieces with him watching and pointing things out to me, but then both of our "dad" responsibilities called us away and I put everything away for the day. I was able to sneak in the garage a bit later and clean up some of the mess Aaron and I made, and made a few more quick welds.

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I know they're terrible....trust me.....I know. I'll keep practicing, though, and hopefully sooner or later they won't look half bad. I won't be doing anything on the bike until I'm confident in my skills. I'll get there.

And Belch, you're absolutely right. I can't wait to get back in the garage.
 
aaahhh that smell... mmmmmm

Soon you'll be fabbing your own hardtail frames and all... ;)

Your mate's shop is damn fine. So jealous.
 
I forgot to mention...thanks for the comments and tips that have been given.


Keep 'em coming, especially the tips. For today at least, I'm a shitty welder.
 
Everyone was shitty at some point. I know I still am. Ha ha ha... You'll get the hang of it man.
 
Thanks fellas.

You know I'm not really sure what will be first. I'll probably just log an assload more practice and along the way do what comes easiest. I'll be able to do a lot off the frame like the battery box and electric tray, cowl mount, etc.
 
Cool work so far Indie, The welds are not bad at all for first time. Specially with a HF welder. One thing to keep in mind and maybe you know already, but if you weld for too long even with the helmet and eye protection you can get welding eye burn. You really feel it at night and it's a lot of pain and very unconfortable. It helps to have the auto darkening lense but still.. You'll get the hang of it, and before you know it you'll be great at it even with the HF welder for $99
 
I did not know that, thanks.


Loving the welding. Last time I went to tinker, the welder seemed like it was welding in bursts. I tried speeding up and slowing down the wire feed, but it didn't do much. It ended up being a dirty tip. Needless to say, the welds were worse than my first ones. Better after cleaning the tip. Not sure if you have to do it with other welders, but I'll clean the tip before every use from now on. Going to pick up some spares this afternoon, as I've been told that I'll go through them, but I'm back in business. Hope to practice some more tonight.
 
Welding as you are figuring out takes "a lot" of practice... Thicker is easier for sure. Also, there isnt always a call for circling or crescenting (I know thats not a word) with the wand. If the metal is tight, try just pushing or pulling the weld. Concentrate on penetration. Purdy will come later. Looking great man!
 
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