Victoria! Zeke's CB175 Build

David at wells said no problem on taking off another .032" on the 200 head that will get us to 15.5cc and keep the stock valve size.


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So we will see which one makes more power more flow and less compression 9.3:1 or less flow and more compression 10.4:1


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No Ti valves for me. Too rich for my blood. Even Ti retainers are really spendy and aluminum is almost as good. I wouldn't drop the $$$ on Ti unless your goal was 15K RPM +. Way more bang for your buck in other areas first.

For paint, try baking the parts at 300°F for 20 minutes prior to spraying your first coat. Another 20 minutes after the last coat dries will help it to cure.
 
Sonreir said:
No Ti valves for me. Too rich for my blood. Even Ti retainers are really spendy and aluminum is almost as good. I wouldn't drop the $$$ on Ti unless your goal was 15K RPM +. Way more bang for your buck in other areas first.

For paint, try baking the parts at 300°F for 20 minutes prior to spraying your first coat. Another 20 minutes after the last coat dries will help it to cure.
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we will try that Mr. Zeke didn't like the color. So this was the guinea pig and we shot 3
different colors. He is doing the other one today while I am at work so I will pass this on! Thank you!


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Have never tried the preheat so that is good to know!


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Update: talked to Zach at R/D valve springs and the lash caps will work if we have .065 is clearance from the tips to the keepers. The pocket of the lash cap is .060" deep. So we will check that later.
http://www.rdvalvespring.com/lash.html

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Sonreir said:
No Ti valves for me. Too rich for my blood. Even Ti retainers are really spendy and aluminum is almost as good. I wouldn't drop the $$$ on Ti unless your goal was 15K RPM +. Way more bang for your buck in other areas first.

For paint, try baking the parts at 300°F for 20 minutes prior to spraying your first coat. Another 20 minutes after the last coat dries will help it to cure.
Matt, Zeke called and said I made one huge error. I forgot to put it on tin foil.
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.054" to the keeper but Zach is going to grind the lash caps .048" so we are back in the hunt with the 160 head. FYI megacycle says .020" clearance from retainer to valve seal and .050" clearance to coil bind.


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Sonreir said:
No Ti valves for me. Too rich for my blood. Even Ti retainers are really spendy and aluminum is almost as good. I wouldn't drop the $$$ on Ti unless your goal was 15K RPM +. Way more bang for your buck in other areas first.

Ti valves are worth the expenditure and allow much higher revs before valves float BUT, they don't work well in a rocker environment and tend to gall and get hung up in bronze guides. Ti valves gall and need regular replacement, Stock valves can drop heads and stainless valves are spendy too. It's a case of choose which compromise best meets your design intent and budget.

I love Ti valves and in a shim under design I'd use them in a heartbeat. On a single cam rocker design, I'd think long and hard about it.
 
So the most important flow numbers to check are at shared overlap creating volumetric efficiencies of + 100%. So is more cfm ideal at this point or a higher velocity? Is that why the megacycle cam that has the longer duration and less lift can have a higher volumetric efficiency than the other megacycle cam with higher lift and less duration? Is that why cam cards are at .040" lift?


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And is that why the cam rocker arm geometry is so critical and lash caps are used on higher lift cams?


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And is that why greater compression is desired to create more kinetic energy in the induction stroke?


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Texasstar said:
And is that why greater compression is desired to create more kinetic energy in the induction stroke?


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so the piston needs to be at terminal velocity at the induction phase during duration overlap?


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Overlap is important but I don't believe it is the critical factor. We want to improve flow at all lifts if possible.

The pressure drop is just a number but flow at higher pressure drops is faster and may become turbulent at higher lifts because of port shape or irregularities.

Higher compression creates proportionately higher combustion pressures and more power at any engine speed but at very high revs, the pressure rise is too fast and that restricts power because of the revers thrust. Imagine lighting the fire way too early, pressure rises as the fuel burns and pressure will rise too much before TDC pushing back at the rising piston and tending to resist its upwards motion. Too much compression does the same thing at high enough revs.

Peak flow velocity will tend to occur at peak piston velocity which is 84-90 degrees ATDC on the intake

At TDC on overlap, piston velocity around TDC is very slow to zero with a lot of latency. What improves flow during overlap is intake inertia and exhaust gas pulses. In an ideal world we would arrange the exhaust waves so that the negative wave arrives at TDCto pull the intake gas through and then the positive (stuffing) wave would arrive just before teh exhaust valve closes to stuff some of that fresh mixture back into the head. Creating a strong suction wave at the right time is easy. Getting a stuffing wave back at the right time is less easy to organize.

Lash caps are there to stop the end of teh relatively soft valve stem from being battered to death by the hardened rocker adjuster.

Rocker geometry is important to minimize side thrusts which are friction and wear out valves or cause them to gall. In theory changing rocker geometry also changes the lift curve slightly.

Cams are timed at 1mm or 40 thou because they have long silencing ramps where the lift changes only very slightly over a huge range or rotation and that makes it really hard to determine opening anc closing points. By the time the cam has generated 40 thou of lift, it's off the ramps and it's easier to see what is happening. That's also why cam grinders often specif lift at TDC as a way to make sure teh cam is timed correctly.
 
Does a longer duration cam help in volumetric efficiency and does it allow the exhaust tuner more margin for success to pack the charge?
 
The .040" is also called the "checking height". In American engines, they generally use .050" instead. No other reason than to have a nice round number, as far as I can tell.
 
Texasstar said:
Does a longer duration cam help in volumetric efficiency and does it allow the exhaust tuner more margin for success to pack the charge?

It can, but it's not the only factor. Primarily, the cam is used to move peak torque around the RPM band. More lift and more duration (some engines respond better to one or the other and not necessarily both) mean peak torque comes in at a later RPM. Since horsepower is a calculated value based on RPMs and Torque, having the same torque at a higher RPM means more peak horsepower. This comes at the expense of less torque and horsepower lower in the RPM band.
 
Does keeping the piston at terminal velocity like with a 270 degree crank engine help or hurt the scavenging like in a 360 degree engine. Does scavenging take place with a 180 degree crank?


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Scavenging can occur with all engines and all exhaust configurations, provided they're setup properly.

In the case of two cylinder engines that use anything except a 360° firing order, unequal length headers followed by a 2:1 collector generally yield good results.
 
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