What is a Cafe Racer......discuss.

Shortround said:
i'd love to be a purist, but i can't afford a triton. so this is what cafe racer means to me.

Hey, no foul in my book Shortround - that machine has the heart and soul of the 60's and WAS the natural progression to the original - let's call it the "Brit Era" - Cafe Racers. I'd be proud to own that one. It IS absolutely "pure" - just a slightly later era.

Hoof - that Norton is absolutely georgeous - Peel Mountain Mile Fairing? I've just put my Rose tinted googles back on for a wallow in nostalgia. BTW - the Manx / Goldie ended up with a Club Racer in Australia !

Yes correct on the Hydrogen embrittlement Hoof - that's why Nickle was chosen over chrome. My pal has an Enfield / Metisse [ Interceptor ] with a Nickle frame - now over 44 years old and still going strong.

I think it was John Tickle who championed Nickle plating back in the day.
 
I just read this whole thread from start to finish. :eek: :eek:

Yes it's true. Tonight my bikes are not running. Shame. :(

Good stuff though! We have some real "veterans" here! Thanks for sharing! 8)
 
beachcomber said:
Hoof - that Norton is absolutely georgeous - Peel Mountain Mile Fairing? I've just put my Rose tinted googles back on for a wallow in nostalgia. BTW - the Manx / Goldie ended up with a Club Racer in Australia !

Thanks BC. I found out that if you keep your Norton you never have to take off the rose tinted goggles!! Maybe thats why life has been a blast so far. Its a replica Mountain Mile. From TGA in England. I had a Manx with the real deal Peel. A '54 with a bolt on subframe. Shame your Goldie/Manx wound up in Australia. Photo is some time around 1970.

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By weslake at 2009-04-30


P.S. I found this. Me in 1946. Am I a cafe racer or what??

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By weslake at 2009-12-17

I hadn't worked out how to put rearsets on the wheelbarrow.
 
Ive caught myself thinking about this alot along my build and i think my favorite catch phrase is "Built not bought", Im pretty easy going about what embodies a cafe racer, some of you guys are making a stink about the bike's of choice, well in 1969 I imagine English bikes and parts would be fairly easily had in england. therefore this broke-ass build what ya can theme.

Now here in North America the cheap ass affordable bikes are these old 1965 to 1980 jap bikes Ive looked at norton's and triumph's there big money i can buy 10 old honda's for the price of a norton. plus i would have a hard time choppin up a norton, especially a nice one.

Lastly, this whole ebay, mail order, what the hey.... its just the way things are going, but just because there, there doesn't mean they have to be used a little creativity and imgination, will get you alot farther creatively, and you will have something truely unique when finished.....
 
Hey Garage Guy - read my posts - I'm NOT criticising or raisng a stink about anything post '70 - just passing on what it was like in MY day - a commentary - nothing more.

Just thought you youngsters might like to know a little about your heritage.

I've already stated that the early Jap bike era is bone-fide in my book as it was a natural progression to the Brit Bikes. In the day they were a lot more expensive than Brit stuff - but as we all know, they [ Brit Bikes ] were flawed, whilt the Jap stuff was Swiss Clock like by comparison [ and FAST ].

No mate, I'm not whigeing in any way - EVERY era has it's good and bad. It's progress. My latest Cafe Racer was a BMW R100 Airhead, the next one a - Suzy GS450, but it WILL be in the style of the '60's!
Hoof - I guess by your early pic we are maybe the same vintage - 1944?
 
DrJ said:
Okay fellas, I was waiting for the right time to post this. I'm not going to argue what constitutes a cafe racer but I have my own idea of what a cafe should be like. I'll call it, "The Proper Cafe Racer". As opposed to listing what the Proper Cafe Racer should have, here's a list of things a Proper Cafe Racer shouldn't have. Don't get me wrong, there have been lots of amazing builds on DTT that have these features but they're just not my cup of 10-40.

A few things that I feel do not belong on a Proper Cafe Racer:

Radiators
Wheels smaller than 18 inches, larger than 19 inches
Upside down forks
Dual front disc brakes
Monoshocks
Digital gauges
Carbon fibre
Titanium
Wood
Coloured spokes including black
Checkerboards
The words "Cafe Racer"
Exposed zip ties or hose clamps
More than 2 main colours in the paint scheme
White wall tires
drag bars
shaftdrive
Comstars

hahaha, yup, nothing grinds my gears more than colored spokes on a cafe racer. I mean, what are those people thinking?
 
Hey BC. I guess we are around the same era. '45 for me.

You're right about heritage. I think it was Harry Truman who said "If you want to know where you're going you have to know where you've been".

I was poking around my computer this morning and found this. Dave Degens Barcelona 24 hour winning Triton. I remember reading about it and instead of using "cool" swept back pipes he used a two into one pipe and one muffer to save weight. Wonder how that woud go down in tdays "rigid" definition of a Triton.

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By weslake at 2008-02-13
 
emcarthu said:
hahaha, yup, nothing grinds my gears more than colored spokes on a cafe racer. I mean, what are those people thinking?

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Good one!
 
Thanks for sharing guys!


My father and I were in southern California for the Winternationals in the early/mid seventies, there were guys riding RDs, and h1s with clip -ons, and solo seats. They were the cats meow. So loud, obnoxious, and cool. I have had a love affair with two stroke twins ever since, and the "cafe" look just from that experience.

I think it is a time thing. This Triumph has been sitting in my car port for ten years. I have built six or seven Japanese bikes during the time I had it, just never had any deep feelings for it (other than the lovely tank). I am doing an xs650 right now that even looks the same. :dunno

For me it will always be those period Japanese two strokes.

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Hoof,

there's nothing I'd change on that Triton - it looks exactly like one I built back in the day! Only difference was my number plates were always mounted under the headlamp facing forward - usually the rear # "plate" was made from self adhesive digits directly on the seat bump with a lamp above it and NO mudguard.

Maybe the power unit is a tad high in the frame? I had a pal who was really clued up in the day - 15 years older [ and a lot wiser ] than the rest of the crew. He also had a van and a car !!

He used to trawl the ex. MOD auctions and on one occassion bought 20 [ yes TWENTY ] brand new Triumph ex. generator sets for £100. "Why have yo done that" was you universal cry of disbelief - until we went round to his workshop to see 20 Triumph 500cc GP [ "Grand Prix ] engines!!! I bought 5 for the grand sum of £50. One went into one of two Race Tribsas I built - that was a really sweet bike. The rolling chassis / donor was a genuine Taylor-Dow DBD34 500cc Clubman Goldie.

I also favoured high join Siamese - mainly from a cost saving point !

The ex Bob Mac Thruxton Connie I bought had both styles of exhuast with it, but the Siamese seemed to give a little more mid-range / top end grunt.

I'll shut up now, I'm in danger of becoming a BOF.
 
Mr. Hearted: Such nice toys you have! My impression from the article was that since nickel is the base layer of chrome that they were all suspect ie; nickel and the secondary chromium wash. My swing arm was bead blasted and nickel plated along with a few other bits, I too prefer the visual 'warmth' of nickel over chrome. In truth, I should have had in magnafluxed prior to plating but it didn't even occur to me, so it truth it could have had cracks started internally before hand.
 
Sorry to resurrect this one - but it maybe relevant if you check my Cafe Racer Artwork thread !

It's far simpler if I can break down people's interests by definition.

Initially I'll ask the artist to concentrate on the Brit Bike Cafe Racers and the early Japanese stuff.

Don't forget, you all have an input in this, as all ideas will be discussed.

BTW - in case anyone doubts my catholic [ small c ] tastes in motorcycles, I'm actively looking for a Honda CB750 [ wire spoked wheels ] as the next long term Cafe Racer project!

Here in the UK that means about $800 for a reasonable donor.
 
Hey BC. I saw this post and had to post this. A few years ago i was given this Honda by the original owner. He used to be a land speed racer. He still has an El Mirage record. He bought it new and rode it until California introduced its helmet law. He then parked it on his patio and walked away. He gave it to me to "chop up into an LSR bike". But it is so original and unmolested I can't bring myself to do it. The plan is to do a rideable resto.
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By weslake at 2010-06-30

In the meantime I'm having a ton of fun with my LSR sidecar. Again it powered by an old 500 Weslake. Currently it holds its class record at El Mirage at 122.240 mph on gas and the fuel record at 116.798 mph.

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By weslake at 2010-05-24
 
LOVE that sidecar Hoof !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In 1968 I designed and built a recumbant dragster [ 4 wheels ] powered by a blown Connie engine [ out of my Berkley 4 wheeler ]. In truth it was nothing more than an elongated Go Kart [ properly built ].

It was blindingly quick and outpaced most of the traditional Dragster "rails" running on petrol. The powers that be soon outlawed it on the basis of no front suspension [!] and the inability to use a "setbelt". !!!!

WOW - what a bike - even I could not hack that beauty about ! That must be one original machine.

I'm currently bidding on a 1978 F1 [ wire wheel ] - courtesy of E-Bay - carbs were removed for cleaning and then "lost", otherwise it's all there and 25K miles. Currently £195 [ $300 ? ]
 
Tim, I was so impressed with your Yam - I've just bought a couple to Cafe Racer - sixties style of course !!! That means my CB750 has to take a back burner now due to funds being stretched waaaay beyond belief.

Tim said:
So I guess mine is about a 1.5 ;) Somewhere between a 1960's authentic and a 1970's Japanese wanna-be ;)

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So - it's money where mouth is time.

Just collected my 2 x XS500 Yam's and started to play with some parts from my "stash".

The Triumph tank has been on quite a few different bikes over the years [ including my last Tribsa ] and is obviously from the right period [ 60's].

So what is my "Cafe Racer" - well it'll end up like Tim's beautiful XS650 - built with sixties Brit bits around a Japanese donor, and as true to the original era as I can.

BTW - the donor is "as bought", although I might go for a Red frame.
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Need to resurrect this one as I could do with your collective input. ;) ;)

2 reasons for this, but the most important initially is that I'm formatting a Cafe Racer book that I'll be starting on as soon as my current work [ WW2 ] is at the finishing post. I'm interested in developments your side of the pond - as you've no preconceptions [ unless deliberate ] about what a "Cafe Racer" should be - and all the better for that.

Just to recap - take a look at my original posting - I'm probably going to go with definitions 1 and 2 as they are Historically correct [ at least from an English perception ] the rest - I want the US perspective, especially on some of the later stuff that marries old with new in a very harmonious way - that "shouldn't" work !!

Come on guys, I've been around this site long enough now to know there's some valuable input to be had. Over to you............
 
Alrighty then- From an American point of view. I think that to me, there are NO "rules" for defining a cafe racer. I think the machine is secondary to the idea. You're taking something that you can afford, and doing what you can to make it both perform better and be more to your individual liking. Sometimes you can afford something downright racy, sometimes you can't. When I built my Suzuki GT380, I did not intend to build a "cafe racer." At the time, I'd barely even hear the term! I just knew what I liked, and got as close to that as I could. The big thing to me was, I invested heavily in those things I considered REALLY important. I laced a 17" rim to the stock front hub, I bought a box-section swingarm off a later bike, I replaced the points with an electronic ignition, I bought expansion chambers. That's it. Everything else was either home-made or second- (or third or fourth) hand. But I loved it, and even though it's long gone, I still do.
Yes, I ramble a bit, but the point is, it doesn't matter what you start with.It doesn't matter if you mix eras. Cafe racers are about individuality. Rebellion. I'm getting older, but I still have that rebellious attitude of my teenage years in my heart, and cafe racers are the ultimate form of flipping off the established norm. I admit I cringe sometimes when someone puts clubmans on a bike and says it's a cafe racer, but that's because of the labor involved- the bond you form with the machine. If that's all the work you want to do, what bond do you have? When you take your bike down to the last nut and bolt, exchange parts, explore its mechanical innards, and re arrange it's organs as you re-assemble it into YOUR vision. THAT is my idea of a cafe racer.
 
99% of what I read here is tru IMO. A honda falls short of the term "cafe". But falls even shorter when its thrown into thre category of bobber! Haha... There is no rigid hondas from the factory to my knowledge. There for its impossible! It automatically falls into "chop". Or "special"

So get it right fuckers! Haha
 
I thought "Cafe Racers" were those Spandex-wearing douchebags who ride their $5k+ bicycles the mile or so between their houses and the nearest Starbucks on weekends......
 
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