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does this model have a jellymold? The proportions look off??? Looking forward to your build. My sons dream bike is a jellymold Ducati.SeekingZero said:Wow, I am ashamed that I haven't updated this thread in so long. I apologize for getting everyone excited and then dropping off the face of the earth! Well, I supposed its time to try and redeem myself. I shall start by giving you all the latest updates. As of the last post, I had the money, motivation, but no time. I am happy to announce that I now also have the time!! I'm also back in California which helps immensely as well. I've lucked into an amazing living arrangement with two old racers that has worked out so wonderfully. However, we do currently have 8 motorcycles in the garage and so, even though I have a garage to work in, trying to complete a restoration in it was another matter entirely.
Therefore, I started looking around for some shop space that I could rent or use to do my work. Back in 2012, a place called Moto Shop opened up in South San Francisco. Moto Shop was a company that would rent or own large shop space as a base for a community motorcycle garage where anyone can work on their motorcycle, or take a workshop and learn how for a hourly, daily, weekly, or monthly rate. I looked them up again and wouldn't you know they changed their name to Moto Guild and opened a San Jose location (much closer to me)! Shop space solved. http://www.motoguild-sv.com/
Last Saturday, I went and hooked up my trailer, with the 250 still sleeping inside, and drove about 15 minutes North to Hayward to meet with Chris Quinn, master wheel builder and vintage Ducati legend.
He remembered me and the bike and I spent 4 hours there with him, discussing the bike, tearing open the motor (for the first time!) and searching through is shop of endless old Ducati parts for some of the bits I still needed. We took off the clutch side cover, bevel side cover, and eventually slid the cylinder up to get a peak down below. What we found was incredible!
The crank was shiny and new, the valves and guides were all new and modified topped off with a high compression piston. The engine was built, and very well done, but had never been fired! We were able to figure out why too. Before we took the cylinder off, we rotated the motor a bit an kept hearing a consistent clunk. As we figured, the top of the piston was hitting the valves since the piston isn't stock. We took a walk into Chris' shop, he pulled out one of many cylinder shims in a drawer handed it to me and said, "take the cylinder off, put this under it, and put it back on." How awesome is that! Speaking of his shop, I snapped some photos of this vintage restorers wet dream...
After pulling a table full of parts out of all his stock, he tallied up what he wanted for everything, I handed him a few bills and was out of there with a ton of much needed and very hard to find pieces for an incredibly reasonable price. I'll post up the parts later on. With the bike, and my new box of parts, loaded up, I left for San Jose and Moto Guild. Moto Guild Silicon Valley opened in July of 2015 and is still very much getting started. The man running the show is Patrick and he is a very nice guy who was more than excited to have the little 250 in the shop. Turns out that he is also from Illinois and went to Eastern Illinois University, in the town I used to live in and owned my first house in for 4 years! Small world.
And I almost forgot, before I left Illinois, I was able to title the bike as a 1966 Ducati 250 Mark III (MK3 or MKIII). Regardless how the various pieces may have began life, the bike that I will own at the end of this restoration will look like the image below of the bike it is titled as!
I saw your thread revived as well! Your build definite looks promising and I hope all the customization turns out the way you want! I'm glad to not be doing any customizing this time around. Turns out that the "half-stock" picture is actually a completely stock Mach 1/Mark 3. So I will essentially just be doing a restoration that will happen to be cafe-esque!DesmoDog said:Looks like a fun project!
I understand the delay in getting things done. My long dormant 250 Monza => 350 Bitsa is also finally seeing progress again after a few years of sitting.
The 250's and other cc models did come with jellymold tanks, but those are older bikes. The red 160 in one of the photos of Chris Quinn's shop is an example of an older model Ducati with a jellymold tank.Texasstar said:does this model have a jellymold? The proportions look off??? Looking forward to your build. My sons dream bike is a jellymold Ducati.
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That's what I thought when I first saw it, but it hasn't got the right foot peg/kickstart/brake lever set up for a Mach 1. I'd bet dollars to donuts it's a "Mock 1"... nothing wrong with that though.SeekingZero said:Turns out that the "half-stock" picture is actually a completely stock Mach 1/Mark 3. So I will essentially just be doing a restoration that will happen to be cafe-esque!
That's awesome! You should stop by. The place is still new and the more business it gets, the more fab stuff we can get! We are going to be doing soda blasting this weekend.doc_rot said:Cool project. That Moto Guild place is literally 3 blocks from my house. I think i would sign up if they had some fabrication tools.
Nothing wrong with that at all. Mine will be a Mock 1 too! But I don't plan on leaving mine as a garage queen, I plan to ride it!DesmoDog said:That's what I thought when I first saw it, but it hasn't got the right foot peg/kickstart/brake lever set up for a Mach 1. I'd bet dollars to donuts it's a "Mock 1"... nothing wrong with that though.
Ya didn't pull the swingarm (or center stand or bearing cups) before blasting it? I'd be worried about grit around the swingarm pivot. Sand blasing is nasty, if you leave any place for the media to hide you'll be dealing with it for ages... You need to pull that stuff to paint teh frame anyway. Also, I'd push the pivot out of the brake lever and lube everything up before reassembly to make it easier to remove the lever next time. I've had to cut the arm off one or two of those they were so seized up.SeekingZero said:This week's update:
I got the frame, tank, and other parts back from being blasted. Now I'm just waiting on fenders and the reg bracket so I can send it all for paint.
No, I had them cover the bearing ends before blasting, I may end up taking it apart and ensuring everything moves well before painting. And like you said, I may need to have it pulled to paint anyway. I'll cross that bridge when I get there.DesmoDog said:Ya didn't pull the swingarm (or center stand or bearing cups) before blasting it? I'd be worried about grit around the swingarm pivot. Sand blasing is nasty, if you leave any place for the media to hide you'll be dealing with it for ages... You need to pull that stuff to paint teh frame anyway. Also, I'd push the pivot out of the brake lever and lube everything up before reassembly to make it easier to remove the lever next time. I've had to cut the arm off one or two of those they were so seized up.
I'm not sure about the spots on your engine cases. My 160 cases weren't perfect either, but in use they get a lived in look pretty quickly anyway so it didn't bother me. FWIW judging by those pics yours look ok to me. Hit them with some aluminum wheel cleaner worked in with a stainless steel brush and they'll be fine. They will look even better the day after you do it. Along the way I used two different types of wheel cleaner and some carb cleaner on mine, in combination with the stainless brushes.