'71 CB350 Winter Project

Ramrod

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Hello DOTHETON!

As of yesterday I started a complete rebuild of a 71 cb350. I know i will need a little help at some point so i figured this was the best place to document the project.

Background: I got two 1971 cb350's, one yellow, one green, that had been sitting since the early '80s, given to me for free (i now appreciate how awesome this was) from a friend about 9 years ago when I was still in high school and didnt have a huge interest in bikes. Both bikes were complete and actually in pretty good cosmetic condition. The yellow one had a ceased motor and the green one turned over. I rebuilt the carbs on the green bike, gave the motor a little attention and actually got it relatively well. It was never licensed, i mainly used it to screw around on at my parents property. Long story short I was riding way too fast off road, hit wet grass, dumped it and separated my collar bone. What an idiot. The bike sat for the next 6 years or so while i was in college. Over the last year i have gotten into motorcycling with a SV650, and the CB350 has gotten my attention again. I realized it has some potential to be a fun little cruiser without having to sink a ton of money into it.

The goal is to completely rebuild the bike and do some cafe-inspired customization along the way, while keeping the expenses as low as possible. I basically have two complete bikes with one good motor, and I plan on selling everything that is left over after the build. I have a pretty good idea of what I want for a finished product, but I think half the fun will be seing what direction it takes as I progress. I dont have a tone of experience with motorcycle internals, but am pretty mechanically apt and have tons of tools and some metal fab equipment at my disposal. What better place to learn than a free 1971 CB350?

Yesterday was day one, which started with a carb overhaul (which previously was a problem area) in an attempt to diagnose how much work needs to be done to the engine. The floats were full of gas when I opened up the carbs, so I got two NOS floats off ebay and a couple of carb kits. I also cleaned out the inside of the gas tank as it was a little rusty. ZEP calcium lime and rust remover worked suprisingly well. A 5 hour soak with an occasional shake did the trick (i threw some bolts in the mix to help agitate the big chunks). I rinsed it out with water, then wd40, then gas. I also rebuilt the starter as I new it had some issues before and would lessen the abuse on my leg. A quick cleanup and regreasing of the bushings and planetary gearset got it functioning well again.

I put the carbs back on, put in some fresh oil, and started cranking. The left cylinder fired up right away, and the right did not. I checked compression and the left was at about 120PSI while the right was only around 95PSI. I didnt have more time to diagnose, so the I think the next step is to put a little oil in the cylinder to help diagnose any compression issues, but it looks like I will be taking the top end apart.

Pictures will be coming later today! Thanks for reading and I appreciate any help as I am sure I will need it.
 
A few pictures
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Shes a little dirty...
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mmmm crusty carbs.

Just fyi, those rebuild kits almost certainly come with the wrong jets. Those kits are notorious for just including whatever is laying around. Double check them before you install. Also those gaskets are the wrong ones. The correct ones should actually be a trapezoid like the shape of the gasket groove. These round ones will be too large. However you can remedy this simply by cutting a section out of the gasket to make it fit, then using gasket sealant on the cut part. The trapezoid ones are available, but can be a bit hard to find, they pop up on ebay here and there.
 
Thanks boom, that was the first thing i noticed. I ended up reusing the original gaskets, they were in decent shape. As for the jets i will have to reinspect.
 
Those keyster kits are useless. Just get a packing kit and float valve from Honda.
 
Ya man... Youre better off avoiding the Keyster kit. I dont know how those folks get away with selling them still.

Also... Those compression readings are SUPER low. You may want to pull the head and inspect the internals... Sounds like something may be very wrong.
 
Yea that is pretty shady, at least they were only $12, but i will probably just clean the old jets and use the jet o-rings from the kit. I am tearing the top end apart this weekend to check the valves, rings, and clearance and will let you know what i find.
 
The bike was at my parents house until I counld tear it down and fit it in my car to bring back to my garage. The normal 40 min drive to get there turned into 2 hours on saturday because of the 10" of ice/snow stupidity that fell on minneapolis. I witnessed 4 cars either hit eachother or go off the road and passed about 20 more in the ditch. Then when I got there the power immediately went out!! F*#&! I had some 12V car and camper lights laying around so i rigged them up to a car battery and about 15 minutes later the power came back on. Frustrating start to the day. Winter has definitely arrived.

Anyway, I adjusted the valve clearance, the right cylinder was a little tight on both valves, while the left was just a little over spec. Compression improved a little on the right to about 110, and stayed around 125 on the left. I put a little oil in each cylinder and got 125 on the right and 150 on the left. From this info i may have both ring/cylinder issues and valve issues????? I went ahead and pulled the engine out of the frame, removed the forks, front and rear wheel, and disassembled some other parts. I will be starting some frame work this week and probably tear into the engine next weekend.
 
I've heard of the occasional person finding them for $20, but a one-off kind of thing. $30 seems pretty reasonable.

Welcome to the site and good luck with the bike.

 
Thanks. For some reason everytime I need to come up with a username it ends up being related to a character from a funny movie. LloydChristmas is another one I like to use.
 
I got almost everything disassembled and am beginning the inspection and cleaning process. The front forks dont look too bad, new fork seals are on the way. The steering stem bearings are ok. The races and balls dont show any pitting. The front wheel actually looks pretty good too once i wiped all the shit off of it, and the spokes cleaned up pretty well. The chrome on the rim has some corrosion, but i will probably just clean this up and paint it. I hear appliance epoxy is tuff stuff. I am thinking gloss black on the rims, clean up the spokes and and polish the hubs. Would it be worth getting the wheel trued again? I didnt notice any play in the front wheel bearings, but i may just replace them while its apart.

How do you guys feel about the tapered bearing kits for the steering stem ... worth the money? What are the most noticeable improvements? I definitely will not be racing this bike and was thinking of just repacking the ball bearings. The rear brake drum has some scoring, can these be bored or honed out? Again for the money and for how much you depend on the rear brake especially with a non-performance oriented bike, i may just leave it. Needs new brake shoes though.

Any recommendations for a specific fork oil (does it make a difference??) and amount? I am about 165 lbs.

Thanks! Ill post some pictures later today.
 
I had my first encounter with the polishing monster. Shes a bitch! But kinda addicting. I think if i hit em again with 2000 grit and a buffing wheel it should come out pretty good.
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Any pointers on the discoloration on the front wheel hub? Do i just have to keep working it?
 
thats very interesting. If I had worn sleeves I would def grab these as I am not sure if you can even buy sleeves new anymore, and the bushings alone cost more than this. Speaking of bronze bushings... I still haven't got my set from that group buy...... gonna have to go look into that.

As for the discoloration: its hard to see, but it looks like the darker part is just the clear coat that you did not fully get rid of. From the factory they had a clear coat that yellowed over time.
 
I tore into the engine this weekend. When the bike ran, there was an issue shifting from 2nd to 3rd, but this problem only started after I dumped the bike in the grass going about 40mph and bent the shift lever backwards about 6 years ago. So i just decided to rip apart the whole thing to get at the tranny and inspect. I was able to duplicate the problem when the linkage was in place, but after I got the cases apart and was using a philips screwdriver directly on the cam to shift gears, the problem seemed to disappear. Im guessing it was a linkage issue. Everything looked great, but I left the tranny assembly with a guy I know that is a professional mechanic so he could check it out ( and he has a big heated parts washer, so all my engine parts will be nice and clean when i pick them up). Everything else looked pretty good and within spec.

The following things will be done/replaced: valve job, piston rings, new gaskets and seals, cam chain and tensioner. (did i forget anything?)

The points look ok, would you guys recommend replacing them anyway?

I also need new swingarm bushings, i dont really like the needle bearing in the Ebay listing previously posted, so i am going to try and find some honda ones or bronze replacements, anyone have a good source for bronze busings?

I am almost ready to paint the frame and wheels, so i realized the color scheme needs to be hashed out. I am thinking gloss black on the wheels (probably appliance epoxy) a satin black on the frame, gloss engine enamel on the cylinder heatsink, polished side covers and wheel hubs, then gloss black and white with a little dark gold pinstriping separating the two colors for the tank and seat cowl. Not the most interesting colors, but the black/white/deep gold combo always look awesome to me when done right. What do you think?

Im most concerned with how the satin frame will look compared to the glossy wheels and engine. I didnt want everything to be gloss, but i thought it would look good to have the engine and wheels kinda match the black on the body.
 
I hear HondaMan can custom turn bronze bushings. Not sure what the price is for it though. You could email him to find out. His email is mgparis@concentric.net.
 
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