77CB750 Digital Mockup and Build

Lobos8403

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Hello Everybody!

I recent purchased two old non running cb750's (Craigslist bundle) to start a little side project after being intrigued by some of these custom rides on this site and on the net in general. I current work as a mechanical engineer in an aviation interiors company. As much as i like my job sometimes the aviation thing gets a bit stale(too much red tape on imagination), so as an exercise i wanted to digitally mock-up my project as we do in the aviation business to essentially a bare bones level then add my own features, go through trial and error and eventually be able to make the "blueprint" of my final product and start fabricating once i know what this thing is going to look like. Its a good exercise to keep my CAD skills in check and some portfolio material for perhaps some side work in the future.

So most important to me at this point, is gathering the data from the parts as i am disassembling the frame. Typically what i do is grab the dims using caliper, rulers whatever to the best of my ability, then follow it up with a 3D scan of the part to make sure my dimensions are on point, if not i just readjust the model where it needs to and go on from there. During this timeline in parallel i'm trying to refresh the engine so at least that keeps moving forward as its the "heart" of the bike.

So this is what the first bike looked like when i bought it.


I had decided on using modern front suspension so i scored some 03 GSXR forks in great condition for a great price. First thing i did was take them apart and reverse engineer them since i will need that data to establish the necessary dimensions for fabricating spacers to line up the brake rotors from the original cb750 hub.


I took special care to validate the dims on the lower portion of the fork. So i used a 3d scanner from work, and overlayed the data over my CAD model to make sure everything lines up correctly.


I travel quite a bit to Montreal for work so i had to pretty much eyeball things from when i was over there and then put the correct dimensions in when i got back home. This is an early mockup of the rear of the frame i was using so i could get an idea of what i wanted to do for an under seat oil tank.


Just this weekend i finally had a chance to survey the front hub properly and model that so i could start working on an adapter for both sides of the hub to allow mating with the newer brakes. I'm not quite happy with how i modeled this setup, ideally i want to make a configurable model so i can plug in rim diameters and widths and have all the parts automatically update (so i can easily see how different wheel sizes effect the stance and look of the bike. ) The hub is validated but the spokes and rims are stuck at 19''. I was pretty much learning how to lace a wheel up on the fly.


Also since then i have completed the frame to some extent, the front motor mount holes i still need to measure out. Here's a mockup of all the parts i have going so far.


So that's it for now, the "real" bike is pretty much completely apart at this point. Hoping to have the rear wheel mocked up soon, and make this thing a virtual roller. At the end of the day the goal is to gather information while i'm working on the bike and perhaps make a configurable model to validate design intent and mockup concepts to have a solid plan before cutting anything up. I think i'll take the 2nd post on this tread as well to document the "real" bike build and leave this one as the digital build.

I've been posting up more progress pics on instagram under the handle D_lobos if anyone wants more up to date updates.. Thanks for looking!

David.
 
wow lobos these 3 mockups look great and well thought of!

i just lasercut my RD seat configuration....the digital media is mostly a great help!
 
check the length of the forks they may be too short
and you will need triple clamps with more offset
and a flat oil tank is a terrible design
 
Thanks for the comments!

xb33bsa -

The GSXR fork is about 28.5in vs the stock cb being ~29.5 i would hope an inch wont be too much of a difference.

The stock GSXR triple has a 30mm differential from the stock CB750 triple, right now I'm leaving it as is as i'm gathering the base line data, once i get into designing some parts i will probably draw up some simple triples that have the correct offset.

As far as the flat oil tank i agree, i started the project as a way to figure out how to mock up a decent looking oil tank under the seat, at the time i didn't know too much about how they work. After reading up on the actual function with inlet, outlet, and vent its pretty difficult to separate those to function properly on a flat plane. I'll look into designing something more realistic once i get all the parts in the right location.
 
You can make a flat oil tank work... But, it'll need to have baffles welded in to keep the oil from rushing to the rear of the tank and starving the motor.
 
an inch is not a lot,but it all depends on the riding you will be doing, lean angle clearance may not be a concern for you
a flat tank is very risky , you NEVER see flat oil tanks in racing apps
they are always deep,and quite complicated and specific internally
you do see some flat tanks these days but i don't have much faith in the idiots building bikes just for looks,being able to design something as critical as an dry sump tank
my guess is if those bikes actually got ridden most would eventually toss a rod
that digital mockup sure looks like a handy tool and fun
 
Awesome Solidworks skills.. I imagine this would take allot of time! I only did my hoop for bending in SW and it took me a couple of days to get perfect, but then again, I'm pretty much a newbie :)

If you would like to share the model when finished let me know :D
 
Thanks! The modeling part is easy, its the taking dimensions and double checking the model to the part thats time consuming!

I got into drafting up the calipers last night almost half done so i should be able to figure out if i can keep the cb750 front hub or not. Updates soon.
 
Alright! So i got a little work in this week. I finally got around to modeling up the calipers. I pretty much make sure the exterior envelope was modeled correctly so i can see what the gap is and if the spokes hit the calipers (they do). It appears like the outermost spoke is hitting the calipers, so it looks like internal lacing of the hub will be in order which shouldn't be a big deal.

I went ahead and measured the necessary features to find the theoretical center line of the rotors. Essentially caliper slit when on the forks.



From there i decided to look at some possible rotor options, after looking around a bit i figured the cbr1000rr rotors would probably be best. They have an offset that i could take advantage of since i wouldn't need as much material to get them to line up with the calipers. Plus they have a 6 bolt pattern which would match up with the current 6 bolt on the stock hub. I ended up finding some Chinese variants that had a 2d drawing with dimensions on it so i went from there and modeled the rotors.



So from there it was pretty easy, center line of the rotor to match the center line of the calipers, pretty much just left them floating there then created the features i needed to match up with their position.





I made the adapters hub centric to the flanges that are already on the hub then the rotors hub centric to the adapter so i think it should line up nicely. Now time to get some quotes!..... and figure out the front axle deal...

 
looking good !!!
i wouldn't use an all inside hub spoked wheel it is significantly weaker and subject to flexing much more than a correctly laced unit
 
I figured as much... i guess my next exercise is to rapid prototype some spacers to make the cb750 axle fit in the gsxr forks and see if i can spin the wheel between the calipers. Cant really trust the model on the spokes since i kinda eyeballed them.
 
the hot set up would be to design the disc rotor adapter spacers to house the correct bearings for the gixxer axl ;)
 
Funny u mention that i was thinking about that as well.. but i dont have measurements for the stock gsxr hub so i dont know where the bearings are sitting. I need to read up on how that axle assembly works out then ill see if i can make something of it.
 
That would definately be helpful, im working off an 03 front end but i cant imagine them being that different. I have to think about the dimensions i need though... i would guess just bearing to bearing outer dimension should help. I think i can take the stock bearing measurements and go inward from there.
 
I think the wheels are different sizes ...I know the calipers are different...better do some research 1st...get both measurements ..I am sure you can make them work either way though.I have an 01 02 frt..maybe we can compare the 2 measurements and see..
 
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