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ter_beau

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i underrstand peoples concerns. and swivel sent me a dick headed message. thanks for the so called pointer cum guzzler. but im ending this post and going to continue with my build. thanks for those who cared and not so much for those who didnt.
 
I love the innovative approach, but I have serious reservations about that extended swingarm. As a Hardtail, it will have an easier life that as a swinger, but it's not a good design IMHO.I'd suggest getting some more tube in a larger diameter and make it out of a single piece each side. That would be a lot safer.

Low cost is good, cheap is just...............well cheap.:)
 
ter_beau said:
well brother i hear ya! and to be honest. safe is something to be causios of but frankly this will have a suicide shifter as well keeping that in mind, this will be a danger zone bike :p the frame will be beefed up a bit more wen the basic layout it complete. it will be a stable foundation and will be save for others around me! cheap is cheap but it also can be done in a safe way :p
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False logic mt friend. Choosing to go with a hand shifter is party a style choice of course but it's a conscious decision based I would hope, on you assessing the relative merits and dangers. That's what we might call an informed decision. Taking a punt on poor engineering is not. 1" plumbing pipe is much heavier than good seamless tube, but you already worked that out. Good.

There is no sense in the "it will be dangerous anyway, so who cares" line of argument that newbies pick up on and start sprouting all manner of making it their own B/S as they copy bad ideas.

I'm not ragging on you, just disagree with the logic. Good luck with it. Keep learning and keep having fun.
 
Pipe is for poop!

Or that's what they say on the 4x4 sites. I've used it on various projects, it can work ok. It's a rare choice for bikes due to how heavy it is. If your welds are sound that extension will not kill you.
 
That said, it's not optimum, don't get me wrong. A guy should try to use structural tubing when possible.

Guys have used much weaker materials than pipe and got away with it. As long as you compensate with bigger diameter and/or wall thickness to get back to the same strength properties, pipe will suffice in many cases.

I don't plan to use any on a bike myself, but I do like it for offroading, it makes really nice armor for cheap.
 
found a odd brass thing. i decided it will make a greak headlight. 8 bucks cant beat it
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I'll keep an eye on this one out of curiousity. A friend stretched and hardtailed his KZ750 4cyl, but in a different manner, with structural tubing of large diameter and wall thickness. Since I suspect youll finish first, you can let us know how it holds up.
 
I dont know why you guys are worried its a honda it will be pushed more than rode
 
Not "hating". Just trying to point out a dangerous build so a fellow rider and builder doesn't get hurt. Don't want to hear it? Fine. Consider my mouth shut after this. The fact is that the way that bike is built will cause some sort of failure in the frame. The materials are wrong. The process is incorrect. Did you slug any joints? Is every weld perfect (or damn close)? Do you know how to properly gusset a joint? And so on and so on...

Again, it's your life and your bike. Do whatever you want. Just know that the folks here are NOT your average internet nay sayers and assholes. Any criticism is based solely on educated thought, past experience, and concern for another builder/riders well being. Do with it what you wish.

And I'm done. Good luck.
 
ter_beau said:
the bike is light. there is no dead weight.
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there is three hundred and fifty cc's of dead weight and that frame is gonna fail sugar the metal you used is most likly better than the rest of the frame but the way you tied in to the frame is crazy wrong at best it gonna be stupit flexie at worst it gonna break. Pm swivel he will will give you some pointers tell him i sent ya
 
can't help noticing theres a lot of "wow thats dangerous" and not very much "lets help you make that less dangerous".

I copped some flak from swivel too, berating me for wanting to use struts. didn't ask for it, and didn't need it.

I guess seeing as all the good pics and info have been removed thanks to you guys making a guy feel like hes stupid, theres more chance that he'll never be back and get the help he needs. some people need help more than being told they're wrong.
 
There was an attempt to explain how to do it right. It was met with "don't tell me, I know exactly what I'm doing". So people quit trying to start the discussion. Did you read all of this thread from the beginning BEFORE 75% of the posts were deleted?
 
n0regret5 said:
can't help noticing theres a lot of "wow thats dangerous" and not very much "lets help you make that less dangerous"...some people need help more than being told they're wrong.
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amen to that! i'm not too proud to ignore being told i'm wrong, but it's nice to get direction as to what i should be doing and how, or info on why something is a bad idea, rather than just "ummm, i'm not an engineer, but i'm pretty sure that was a bad idea." that was an actual quote regarding something i did on my first build ever a few years ago. not at all trying to say help and valuable info wasn't offered here, just agreeing with something i feel strongly about! :)
 
VonYinzer said:
There was an attempt to explain how to do it right. It was met with "don't tell me, I know exactly what I'm doing". So people quit trying to start the discussion. Did you read all of this thread from the beginning BEFORE 75% of the posts were deleted?
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ahhh. see now thats a shame. if people can't take constructive criticism then maybe they should have their frame fail at low speeds.
 
Personally, I don't have too many issues with people doing dumb shit, only when they are doing dumb shit to sell to someone with even less 'knowledge'
 
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