Brake Light - Using a Clearance or Marker Light

HerrDeacon

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I'm looking around for a tail light for the cafe and I've been looking at some trailer type lights. I've seen some marker/clearance lights that I like the look of, but I'm thinking that these can't be used for a brake light since they are two wire instead of three. Is this correct? With only two I'm guessing you wouldn't get the ability for the brake light to be on without the brake being applied (like is needed at night)? Is there any way of rewiring them to work? Or do I have to stick with looking at the three-wire lights?

I'm clueless about wiring and electrical so any insight would be appreciated.
 
I think you're stuck looking at a 3 wire setup. I recently picked up a trailer light for the same reasons, and I had to go with the three... Ground, running light, brake light are the three wires.

I ended up picking an LED taillight, and a rubber housing. Not quite "vintage", but it will work well and be real visible.
 
I think there's a way to get around this problem. Install the highest wattage bulb you can find. Splice another wire onto the positive, then solder a suitable resistor onto the wire that brings down current by maybe 2 volts. Connect the wire with the resistor to the low beam lead of the harness and the other to the high beam. When braking, the current will pass through the non-resistor wire therefore using the full voltage and when not braking the current will pass through the resistor wire causing bulb to shine dimmer. I haven't tried this myself but it should work.
 
DrJ said:
I think there's a way to get around this problem. Install the highest wattage bulb you can find. Splice another wire onto the positive, then solder a suitable resistor onto the wire that brings down current by maybe 2 volts. Connect the wire with the resistor to the low beam lead of the harness and the other to the high beam. When braking, the current will pass through the non-resistor wire therefore using the full voltage and when not braking the current will pass through the resistor wire causing bulb to shine dimmer. I haven't tried this myself but it should work.

I may have to try this if I can't get a decent 3-wire that I like. I'll probably just buy a cheap two wire to test it out first. Thanks a lot for your help. If I do decide to try it I may be back with more questions ;D
 
Dr J is on the right track here. This is exactly how I make my tail lights for running/brake. I run LED's, so you're running resistors anyway if you make the lights yourself. The lights you buy from the store have resistor networks inside already on the little circuit boards, this makes your life easy. If you have a decent multimeter and know how to use it, you're golden. Most decent sized LED's should draw roughly 20-30mA each, depending on how everything was designed. If you add resistance (resistors from Radio Shack or wherever) in the running circuit, this will bring your voltage down, thus reducing the current through the LEDs according to Ohm's law (look it up, it's pretty easy to understand). When you apply the brake, you give the light full voltage and thus, full current making it brighter. I've found that if you reduce the current to about 2/3 of what it draws originally it will work out to about the right difference in brightness. So, if the light out of the box hooked up to a battery draws 60mA overall, then the magic number you're shooting for is 40mA. You can adjust this by one of two ways. 1. Keep buying different sized resistors until you get it right, or 2. get a bunch of the same size and add them in series (end to end) to reduce current, and in parallel to increase it. I've found that around 400ohms is a great number because this gives you 30mA at 12V. Once you've found your magic combination, solder it all together and wrap it in tape or use some heat shrink.
 
Thanks very much rudy, that's great. I'm not going to pretend that I understand everything perfectly but that is some great info. I'll probably have to read it a couple of times to get it clear. Hopefully I can make it work.

Thanks again.
 
If you're not sure about anything, just let me know and I'll try to clear it up for you. Me being in electrical engineering sometimes I assume people know certain things and I don't explain everything I should. It's not too complex.
 
rudy said:
If you're not sure about anything, just let me know and I'll try to clear it up for you. Me being in electrical engineering sometimes I assume people know certain things and I don't explain everything I should. It's not too complex.

Thanks again rudy, I'll probably have to take you up on that offer. I'm won't be doing it until the new year so I'll keep looking for a nice three wire one, but if not, I'll try it the way you and DrJ described.
 
Reviving a dead thread here...

So what DrJ and Rudy are saying is that you can use a two wire LED trailer light if you run a correct series of resistors on one wire and none on the other?? ???
 
I believe its making the two wire a two wire a three wire, by soldering in an extra wire onto the positive terminal of the light bulb/led array. The newly soldered wire gets the resistors put on it, Rudy describes pretty thoroughly the process of resisting, ;D .
So you essentially create the running circuit and use the existing wires for the brake indication circuit. I think its a great idea, Those truck led indicators are pretty great looking. I'm prob ganna head this route eventually too. Prob too expensive buying it in an actual truck stop but ebay and the sort should have a ton of them.
 
So wierd, I was just in a Northern tool store looking at LED marker lights thinking it would be cool to use one, but noticed it only had two wires. Now I know what to do. So to answer above question If you have a Nortern Tool near you, you can get them there.
Also got another idea for a filter set up for my bike while there.
 
Yeah, I originally wanted go this route, but even with Rudy's detailed instructions I am left scratching my head.
I may have to ask my teacher for some help... D:

If anyone would have pictures I would be greatly thankful. :3
 
Had this issue too, looking into this resistor attachment that was discussed. I already have a nice mount and I like the look of the small tail light. Agree that some photos might help a simple minded fellow like myself
 
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