well,I graduated high school in 1957 and had a few of those classic bikes.Looked pretty good,handled iffy,leaked oil,iffy electrics and didnt stop worth a poop. the upgrades most of us do to the bikes we "build" (please dont start THAT thread over) usually result in better brakes and better handling which is mucho fine with me. There will never (IMO) be a better looking bike than a vintage Triumph Bonneville or Beezer Gold Star. But for performance and reliability, I think I will stick with the type of bikes we are assembling here -- call them cafe or whatever u wish.Most UJMs will break the ton with ease box stock so I consider myself a "tonner" by default and a "rocker" cause thats the music I grew up with.That is all--carry on.bj