CB750 DOHC - SOHC Tank Swap Help

knevil

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Hey everyone!
I just purchased my first motorcycle. Its a 1980 cb750c DOHC. I got the bike in pristine condition and could not pass up the deal. Doing some research, I noticed that SOHC bikes are the better way to go for parts. however, I took the grinder to my bike and will do what I can to make it more appealing.

To make a long story short, I need some help/ advice on the fuel tank.

What other fuel tanks fit on a 1980 DOHC frame? I hate the cb750c tank and would like to put a 76 or a 77 sohc tank on her. If so, Are there any modifications I need to do?
Do any other fuel tanks fit on that bike? Im not too worried about how flush with the seat. Im building my own.

any advice is appreciated!

John
 
I've searching for a tank for my future '81 CB750C DOHC project... just getting ideas. All I have found so far is Beji's stuff.

http://www.benjiescaferacer.com/convkit-750-dohc.php

Crazy money for my tight ass but sure has some awesome looking stuff.
Here are his two fiberglass seat and tank combos, there is also carbon fiber and alloy units if you gott $ falling from the sky...


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Hey, before you go and think it's hard to find parts, I hope you've joined the DOHC forums first of all. The CB1100F.net forum is the daddy of 'em "all", the Cb750custom.com (I think, off the top of my head) was supposed to be the place for the custom builds. But, a lot of K and C cafe builds find their home on the supersport site. Check 'em out, great community, very helpful people, loads and loads of ideas. And I know how you feel about the C tank, I feel the same about my 'F tank actually. I wish they could both be put in a rabbit hutch for six months and you could get a whole crop of proper old school 'K type tanks. Ha ha. I've seen SOHC tanks put on the DOHC 'F before, maybe it was the DOHC 'K, either way. Best over all tank of the lot, is off of the CB1100R. That is one cool tank. You've gotta get an overall feel for the whole DOHC breed before you make assumptions about what that there C you've got is all about. Look at the 'K models, then look at YOUR frame. THEN you should get some good vibrations going. Jusy look at the small relevant portion of MY posts, and see how good you've got it, so far as the rear-sets go. Anyway, there are loads and loads of tank swaps over there. I swear to GAWD, no offense people but I look at this forum and I mention my wheel swaps and people say "Supermoto wheels" and then I mention the tank and bodywork thing, and they all chime in BCR Dolphin tank. Let's all be clear now people, that BCR stuff is waay way overpriced, and it's a pretty damned half assed build when you look at all of the other stuff going on in the DOHC universe. Sorry Benjie, but it's just the way I see it. You'll probably say the same about MY bike. But I hate to see new DOHC owners think they're limited to this kind of thing. Check out the CB985K builds and the wire wheeled CB900C shaft drive OEM type chopper with just slightly long forks, it's actually a pretty cool early 70's looking classy Honda chopper, nothing like the ones over at that weird DOHC chopper site ... what's it called ... it will come to me. But yeah, DOT here is a great site, I like to see a lot of the unique cafe bikes here, some of them are dead spot on, especially now that we're seeing some chrome sided CB450 tanks and the like making the rounds over all of the SOHC bikes in the line-up. But yeah, serious DOHC fanatics seldom show up around here. I'm sort of a DOHC fuck-tard, and I still know a lot of cool tricks. My bike will probably be really kick ass one day, but I'm broke and my health is pretty bad, so I mostly just modify one part at a time quite excessively ... kind of like a lot of other creative things I do, I never know just when "enough is enough", so I've screwed up more parts for my DOHC than I'll use. Ha ha. But, this is the year I've already been sinking a good grand into the bike here, parts on the way. Fat wire wheels. But yeah, not the person to look to for a completed bike. Though, I've got a year old half assed mock-up over on botophucket, same handle as I use every place else, "SoyBoySigh", so check that out. Soon more pics to post up there. I should probably do that NOW. Ha ha.

Just, seriously NO offense to the DO the Ton scene, I really like it or I wouldn't be here. It's just that DOHC Honda is not it's strong suit, and it's done so much more thoroughly on the dedicated forums. Oh, and Glenn over on 1100F.net, he doesn't censor ANYTHING, so just igore the fuckers who will rant that Cafe people need to be booted out. Glenn actually feels that way about the "Frankenbike" people a lot of the time. He set up the bike to preserve the 1100F, a rare model, and the 'R too of course, and the 900/750 little brothers to a lesser extent. But now there are so many "Oreo" sandwich bikes, Brand new front end, old lump and frame, new swingarm and rear wheel. They get kinda tiresome after a while. But hey, a swing-arm swap is a swing-arm swap, a front end swap same thing. Sometimes a swing-arm swap is a front end swap, if you're talking about a DiFazio Hub center steering thing, Bimota Tesi type of thing, ha ha. But what I am saying is, the technical methodology is there, and a very broad knowledge of what does and doesn't work on these bikes. If you're looking for advice about how to make the thing look like a total wet dream, well talk to ME about my DOHC "Sand-Cast Tribute" project. You can kinda visualize that, can't you" Yeah. I thought so. Ha ha. But I've done some shit to make mine happen. Got a spare 'F tank here I cut in half and I'm banging it out. But now I'm thinking old school chrome side covers on the tank, with rubber knee pads, little wing badges, Super-Hawk style. The 900 is basically two 450 black bombers after all. So maybe you wanna try using an 'F tank. I am pretty sure that the supersport bodywork has been put on the 'C frame time and time again. Shouldn't bea tough one. And from there, the 'F tank can be modified a lot of ways. Cutting off the "ear-lobes", hell I was thinking of putting an earing in there.... Ha ha. but I am now thinking, the chrome panels on the sides, that's probably the easiest way to modify the boxy nature of that tank. They lower edges could drop down a bit to bring the clipped corner of the earlobe left over, into the lower outline of the bike. Maybe the lower edge of the panel could be painted the main tank colour, so you could get a whole straight edge down there. Who knows, I think I'll have to try it.

Another one I've seen, that didn't fit too good, but I guess you could pound in the "tunnel" a whole bunch, you're gonna line it with "Creme" anyway. But the SOHC supersport tank fits somewhat okay on the DOHC chassis. If it were proportioned right, it would be pretty cool. I was hung up on the CB750cafe.com "Carpy" guy's Dunstall replica tanks, now he's stuck one on a DOHC, definitely NOT Carpy's forte' I have to say, the DOHC is just not the same animal he can't do his same bag of tricks that he re-hashes so damned tired again and again .... but yeah, I am no longer hung up on his Dunstall. Neither does that Yoshi replica pipe of his even look like a Yosh anymore. But I don't worry about it, 'cause "Cycle Exchange" has a nice four into two into one, that's a formula for making a whole bunch more power from these bikes, 'cause it's paired up the middle cylinders and the outside pair, so they're in synch. AND it's cheap, like three hundred bucks. They have even cheaper exhausts, that are alot like the SOHC '75 supersport CB750F and the CB400F (such a disappointment, when it was what became of the 350F, the most beautiful CB in my book) aka they "look like they've been hit like a truck", the "Side-winder" exhausts. Something like two hundred bucks. TONS of other good stuff besides. Anyway, I'll be sure to post some new pics here soon. Feel free to rip off any and all of my ideas, I would love to see something like my DOHC sandcast sooner than it's taking ME to build mine. Oh, but there IS a way to see it. Not quite as slick, pretty much just a tank and seat swap like BCR, and you can't even get stuff from this guy unless you prove you have the same bike he designed them for, and that you're using them as he intended ha ha, but still, cast wheels and all it's still in the same vein: http://www.whouse.jp/

Either way, your 'C bike is going to have an easier time than you think. CB900F shocks will jack up that ass. The 'F bodywork is a good place to start for a sportier look too. Aftermarket exhaust should shed a lotta pounds. Then you swap out the fenders for fibreglas and plastic stuff. Universal rearsets on the passenger peg holes. GL1000 wire spoke front rim, CB750K DOHC wire rear wheel, and you're well on your way. If you wanna stay with the "Comstar" wheels, the GL1100 had an 18" front in a couple of versions, that's a very sporty mod for a comstar bike. Gets rid of that huge front wheel. So too, there are people disassembling Comstars and rebuilding them, so none of the 'C models (OR CX models for that matter) is stuck with that 16"-er. The 'K is a 17. Fatter rim, or a CB750 SOHC 18" rim, or a custom fat rim like I'm paying for right now, and you're well on your way. The front from the DOHC 'K wire wheeled version is an 18" too, but only has one disc. BUT, you could swap in a GL hub I would bet! Oh, and if you don't have the twin front disc up front, look into whether the '82 CB750F lower fork sliders will fit to your forks, as I have a spare set. Then you can bolt up two calipers and discs, if you so choose. Staying with a single, I still recommend the DOHC 'K if you can find one, it's fatter than a SOHC rim and not as tall. If you wanted to go with a rear disc, though I wouldn't understand why, you could swap in an 'F swinger pretty easily. then you'd need a rear MC, but that's part of the CBR rearsets everybody uses now, so no big deal. The triangles on your frame, for passenger pegs, those are enough room to work with, that you could build anything you wanted onto them. Kinda jealous there, if you can't tell. As for the BCR fork shrouds, it's not the only way to do it, and by far not the cheapest. The fork caps, you should look at my botophucket, I modded a set there, self explainatory pictorial, all tools included. Definitely grab a 900 oil pump, and the 900 oil pump cover while you're at it, and preferably the sump but don't spend too too much on that. Don't put your oil cooler on with one of those oil filter diversion blocks. Bad news. Go to the 'F 'F-orum and do the "Path Plate mod", look into the "pick-up screen mod" and the "GM coil mod" too. There, that's a good summer's worth of stuff to do right there. If not five, depending on your mental state and how well you can get around, how many times you have to stop and get really wasted on pain killers, etc. But you've gotta look at some of the fundamental stuff there, to get that engine running strong. If you were thinking of going with pods, I hope you haven't thrown away your airbox yet, 'cause you need it. Air assist shocks, not so much, but the air box, yeah very much. Unless you're gonna put eight hundred dollar carbs on there. In which case, spending that amount you ought to put on an electronic fuel injection system, that's done to death over on the 'F site too. As well as carb swaps off of modern Gixxers, CV carbs, but they're new and clean and parts are still available over the counter. IF you need to restore your CV's, go to "Randakk's Cycle Shack", he's got what you need. You've gotta look into your valve clearances, it requires a special tool, but there's a loan program for that on one of the forums too. You can get second-hand shims in all the right sizes, or go to a "shim under bucket" system with Toyota parts, that lightens up your valve train and makes the whole ordeal a lot more affordable next time around. Plenty of people on the 'Forums with spare parts and unfinished projects, check out their classifieds long before you go to fleabay, people want their parts to go to "members" and offer great deals and freebees to a go home as well. "SurferNick" gave me a free pair of clubmans. Couldn't be more pleased. I can't even get my family to buy me bike parts for christmas presents....

Anyway. Good luck with it.

-S.
 
A HA! Deuces. The chopper site, it's called Deuces Wild. Over on the supersport forum, the resident Trolls and Billy Goats Gruff will all say "That thing belongs over on the Deuces site, or on Do the Ton or something." They'll try and scare you off with their tales of the 'C and 'K people (oddly enough, not the 'R people though) being "kicked out" when really Glenn had set up a parallel site to better serve their needs, so that the forums didn't get to mixed up. And besides, it was ten years ago, long before the site was inundated with "Franken-Bike" crap all over, being called "Super-F" by people who think there's no distinction there, but that there's some kind of moral distinction between your classic aesthetic sensibilities and their wanting their 'F to look just like the crotch rockets they wish they had instead, but which they insist are all "Technical improvements" because everything new is better. Well, certainly around DTT, that's understood to be a complete fallacy. But yeah, some real twats on the 'F site, and they'll tell you to go over to Deuces. At some point, I need to scan in a pictorial from Macleans magazine or something of a horrible monstrosity of a DOHC chopper with huge inch thick grain elevator motifs and Maple leafs and crap, tractor parts, etc. Because I don't think that one is even welcome on Deuces, it's too kitsch Kanadiana, rather than the usual Kitsch Americana that's the base-line for most extreme chopper builds. Ha ha. But yeah, Deuces is worth checking out too, because you wanna look at ALL of the things people manage to do with these bikes, especially when you're first starting out on the bike. So look 'em up! "Go over to Deuces Wild and Do The Ton. They take your 'cafe-gay' kind over there...."

-S.
 
Naw, you're making me blush. Ha ha.

But check it out, I had been looking and looking for an old site I'd found of a young guy who'd just started up his alloy tank business, and he was offering any custom alloy tank for five hundred bucks. I know, that's a lot for a budget build. But you've been shopping, you know what they're worth. So, anyway, what's just come up on my radar, is that guy here on the forum, "Viet", he's posted his universal rear-sets over in the rear-sets forum. But anyway, he's saying he's making some custom tanks soon, was talking about a price even lower than that, under four hundred, and he does custom work. Thing is, he's in Vietnam, but when I say under four hundred, he says that's including shipping. Awesome. And I'd be really excited to help a guy out over there who's starting up a business. I mean, I wanna help out a struggling businessman over here too ... well it's kinda hard to compare the two, first of all it gets really fucking cold over here and the Vietnamese food is shit. Ha ha. Actually, it's not bad if you know where to get it. But you know what I'm saying. I'm just not gonna be hung up about the idea of buying a part from overseas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik

Ha ha. Kind of a sensitive "Farm Aid" sort of gesture from Trey Parker and Matt Stone. But, I'd bet if you talked to them about arts funding and the starving up and coming comedian, I'm sure it's another thing altogether. Ha ha.

Heck, I just wanna see people working on bikes, there are so many people I can count off trying to make a go of it, and I don't just mean the guys stripping bikes down on fleabay, I mean people fabricating parts. Any which way you slice it, you wanna get the most bang for your buck. And the one aspect of making special parts for the DOHC that I can't think of anybody building, is tanks. I really would like to talk to this guy about the CB1100R tanks, and whether he has power hammer equipment for "flow forming" parts. I'd really like to get something together as an alternative to the fibreglas stuff, I figure that alloy tanks could actually be built for cheaper than the Airtech stuff. Fairings, that's one thing. But gas tanks, it's a safety issue. And they know damn well most of that stuff is NOT being used exclusively on the track. Saw something on the news the other day about a huge fire-ball of a bike crash, and it burned away any interest I had in getting a glass tank. And the 'R tank is SOOO much in demand over on the 1100F forum, it's not funny.

I've gotta remember to buy a damned lottery ticket man, 'cause I'd really love to get in on manufacturing myself. Just small-scale, not talking about an OCC type shop here, ha ha. But equipment for flow-forming, and then some type of kiln for mass flux-brazing tanks together the way that so many refrigeration components are done, hell even just a second hand ceramics artist's kiln for baking up two or three tanks at a time, and maybe a welder if needs be, but mostly just the flow-forming equipment and the "bucks" or moulds that the alloy is hammered into.... It wouldn't take much to get started. Two or three popular models of tanks, that's just a couple of sets of "bucks". Here, check out these two vids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K6c3_DMXjQ

THAT is the guy to go to, if you're thinking of getting into any kind of alloy fabrication, he even rents out educational materials on DVD, like a library of sorts, all of the stuff that WWII aircraft factory people were trained with. But here's where it gets interesting. This here vid is such awesome jerk-off material. Me, I would have made it a heck of a lot more interesting, knowing that there's no way in hell some feminist movie critic is ever going to watch it. But you've gotta appreciate that they didn't just make it a horrible dry orientation film, and gave some effort to making a plot. A lot of porn people don't even make this type of effort. What a movie, if only you could get the porn people AND the trades educational film product awareness film people together, AND write some type of plot into it.... Hmmmm.... Of course, this HAS been dubbed into English, maybe the European version? Listen at 7:24, where his voice sounds all lascivious talking about a sheet or layer going over top of the other sheet or layer ha ha and then she giggles and says "take it easy!". If only this weren't edited to a computer generated image at this point, I wonder what we would be seeing.... In any case, it talks about how to stick together the alloy sheets once they're formed. Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I4nzagpLZ4

They show a lot of expensive equipment here, but keep in mind they're mass producing refridgeration parts, and that building a couple of gas tanks on an as needed basis would be something else altogether. If you think of how most alloy welding processes are developed for pressure vessels, such as scuba tanks and the like, then are they really where you want to go, when refrigeration systems are already operating at high pressures? I'm sure that these processes I'm talking about could handle anything that a damned bike gas tank would throw at it. AND the vibration issues as well, being that refrigeration is a high vibration environment as well. It's not exactly intuitive to a lot of people to suggest something that's cheaper than welding, especially man-power wise, for a motorcycle part. I think the impression most get, when you suggest that you braze a tank together, that it would be like a cheap radiator, that it would break. But products like that are built with economy of material in production to an extreme austerity, and also with an eye to keeping the mass down and wall thickness down on the cooler equipment, as such they're almost built to fall apart. But check out what the Tin Man says about brazing alloy, and oxy-torch welding alloy ... really just about the same thing, with only the temperatures being used as the variable that sets them appart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF1Srs_e1Aw

This Tin Man guy does restoration work on old warbird aircraft, he's done lots of work on rare one-off race-cars, Bugatti, Ferarri, shit like that. Oh, and he makes motorcycle gas tanks too. But I don't think you and I can afford his work. BUT, he does workshops, you name it. I just wish to hell I could get all of this gear, get a small team of people trained to do the work, then talk to this "Viet" forum member about some type of mail-order bride arrangement ... so I can send myself in a cardboard box and go and live at HER place ha ha, and get involved with building alloy gas tanks over there where it's warm all of the time and the food is good and lots of it is vegetarian ........ Or, heck I could just see about ordering that custom gas tank I was talking about, and whenever I'm leaned over it I can fantasize about all of that while I'm hugging that gas tank. Ha ha.

Really though, I've worked "around" fibreglas production, not directly, but "with" the fibreglas guys on some really big projects. Let's just say our tanks were in the thousands of gallons. And I just don't see why ... I think that airtech obviously started out making fairings, and tanks just seemed like a logical off-shoot. But honestly.... You realize that prior to the '70s all of the bike body-work was done in alloy, right? Well, it's a lost art. Personally, I don't know for sure, if I'm gonna get in a crash and I'm gonna "become one with" my motorcycle parts, fairing etc, I don't know whether I'd want it to be fibreglas or alloy. I do know that I'd rather have safety glass than plexiglass when it comes to the wind-shield, and I know I'd much prefer the gas tank to be metal, steel or alloy, or at the very least a dent-able plastic like the dirt-bike tanks are. If you're gonna go really cheap, then go plastic. If a tank were gonna have a faux-cover, then a black nylon gas tank would be cool, something like a red plastic jerry-can. Know what I mean? Any which way, just something that's not gonna crack.

I'm very encouraged that this Tin Man uses a very small torch, as all I have is one of these MAPP-Oxy torches. I was taught to use oxy-acetylene back in high-school ... for years now I've wanted to go back to school and get into welding. But the height of all irony, while I was sitting there in Calgary, nursing my fucked up back on disabiliity and raising my girl-friend's daughter (NO regrets there, that's for sure, the one and only reason ... well several when I count raising some of her friends for at least three days out of every week for seven years, the real reason why I DON'T regret not going back) the funny thing, if you've read about these custom builds and all of this fantastic alloy welding reputation in Calgary and abroad, of this "Trillium enterprizes", the guy went to the tech school right there in my neighborhood and rode back and forth to school on his run-down CB650 while he was at it!!! Ha ha, I am pretty sure I saw him a bunch of times. But if you talked to the kid, she'd tell you of how many times I talked about wanting to alloy weld motorcycles and stuff, but would just sigh "There's no market for that type of work around here!" Ha ha. Well look around at all of the custom bike building going on out there. There's a market for it EVERYWHERE. I might just have to do it, but right now I have other fish to fry first. Maybe ... two or three years down the road. It sure would be awesome.

Anyway, there's also ... it's a cafe racer outfit in the states ... "Ohio cafe racer"? They sell pre-cut peices for welding up your own CR750 style tanks, for the smaller SOHC fours and twins as well. Pretty neat stuff. But again, they're working with the peening hammers and the gas shielded electric arc welding, aka MIG/TIG etc.

It's funny though, people accept that you can stick a gas tank together with "bondo", basically what you do with a fibreglas tank, but I just don't know whether brazing would catch on. There's sort of a cult around MIG/TIG out there, few even gas weld anymore, where when I was younger it was ALL gas, other than arc or "stick" welding. Back in the '60s-'70s a LOT of the high-end custom bike frames and race frames, they were brazed. Kind of like the custom brazed bicycle frames out there. I guess it's a very very effective method of working with very high strength but thin-walled Chrome-Moly type steel, which is difficult to weld (or easy so I've heard from other circles) wherein the "jig" for the join is the "lug" that the two tubes are inserted into. Have you seen lugged bicycle frames? Unless you're a bicycle nut, probably not since you were very young. I'm no bicycle nut. But I've been looking at a lot of welding methods as of late, and at older motorcyles and the like. I'm sure that by today's standards, the bikes from yester-year would be laughed at. Never mind that the Honda six cylinder 250's have never been surpassed on a HP to cc ratio, apparently, by any modern internal combustion engine. Non turbine type, ie jet engine, of course. Or, so I've heard. But yeah, their frames and fairings and the like, really not a lot of the technology would seem safe or reliable by today's standards. Hell, it WAS pretty dangerous. Ha ha. But, I guess what I am saying is, if somebody were to make a custom bike frame the way that the Rickman brothers did, or the way that Bimota did, back in the early days, well I am sure that we'd all be wringing our hands wondering whether the whole thing would fall apart. I've even heard of "epoxy" being used, I picture something like "J-B Weld", used to build or join rather, certain frame components on the Bimota frames that held the DOHC Honda motors, the HB2/HB3. what cool bikes. Tell you the truth though, when the body-work is off, and the real gas tank under there is exposed, THAT is when a Bimota HB2 is really beautiful IMHO. What with all of the spare Gixxer parts laying around, and these DOHC engines, all we NEED, all we REALLY REALLY NEED is a replica frame supplier!

http://17661.homepagemodules.de/t753f13-Bimota-HB.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUgIXl13ryk

Just ANOTHER a pipe dream of mine....

-S.
 
yea! wayyy too much $ they are cool, but I picture those tanks on smaller sized bikes

Hoosier Daddy said:
I've searching for a tank for my future '81 CB750C DOHC project... just getting ideas. All I have found so far is Beji's stuff.



Crazy money for my tight ass but sure has some awesome looking stuff.
Here are his two fiberglass seat and tank combos, there is also carbon fiber and alloy units if you gott $ falling from the sky...
 
Swivel said:
Post a pic of the score....

Im going to fabricate a seat to fit the DOHC tank I have right now. I made a foam mold cafe style but it looked ridiculous with that stupid tank. i tried to replicate the Kawasaki KZ tail. this one might be a bit more on the street fighter look, but i kinda like it. ::)

might trade this seat off if I find a tank that I want to put some $ into to get it to fit.

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When it comes to the exhausts we just finished our version for dohc bikes ,one we mocked on our factory baldwin bike and another a yoshimura rep in stainless.Everything in spring loaded from the head pipes to tail pipes...but the are mocked up for a cb750f-900f tho.
 

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Hey this post is awesome, thanks for all the insight, im working on the same bike right now and haveing a blast doing some research...gotta get a tank and spending a thousand bucks isnt in the cards. The more I look at it, the more i wanna smash it into the shape I want...but I dont think it will work =0)
 
sorry for not responding guys. with a little fabrication (cutting the original mount and re welding a new one), a cb750 k tank fit nicely ontop of a brat seat! i still like the cb750 custom tank, this one just looks a little meaner.

 
Awesome bike! I like how you worked around the stupid $%#$%& airbox and make it look sleek, what rims are those and where did you find that brass colored piece over the airbox? How much of the bike is still stock?
 
kkane97 said:
Awesome bike! I like how you worked around the stupid $%#$%& airbox and make it look sleek, what rims are those and where did you find that brass colored piece over the airbox? How much of the bike is still stock?

i would say the bike is still a cb750 custom. the engine wasnt modded. some powder and paint, welding, new handlebars, new fabricated tank, bratted back-end, custom seat, some led lights, tlc and you have a one of a kind!

i removed that copper color off my airbox cover and went with flat black. i will also sandblast my chain guard and powder it black.

To answer you question - its a stock cb750c airbox cover. Duplicolor makes a copper luster spray paint you put OVER chrome. rims are stock and powdered completely black. that stock silver lip wasnt doing it for me.

thank you guys! she looks better every day! i will update my pics soon!
 
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