Dam A-Hole Bike Cop

[CresentSon]

Has anyone in this topic once said that police brutality isn't real. The only point I have made here is your insistence, just like the video, in blaming the actions of few on many is only serving to aggravate the problem. The oldest film in that reel that I have seen in training is from the late 90's. A few of the films are training on what not to do in which officers are shown the consequences of improper action. In fact as the narrator goes on about the police never being punished, he is voicing over the video of a sergeant punching a hand cuffed man in the back of a car. That incident was reported by other officers and the overzealous sergeant was found guilty of assault and official oppression. He lost his 18 year pension and did jail time because the other officers reported him.

Other than two videos on there that I know the officer was not charged because his actions were justified (the guy who was tackled by a citizen while cuffing another man, and the one where the woman with the stroller fought getting in the patrol car) I would stake anything asked of me that the vast majority were prosecuted.

How does any of that change the fact that you are fear mongering, and supporting a stance that will cause more trouble. Most cops are good people when they're not we should hold them to account.

 

[milehighcj360t]

Has anyone in this topic once said that police brutality isn't real. The only point I have made here is your insistence, just like the video, in blaming the actions of few on many is only serving to aggravate the problem. The oldest film in that reel that I have seen in training is from the late 90's. A few of the films are training on what not to do in which officers are shown the consequences of improper action. In fact as the narrator goes on about the police never being punished, he is voicing over the video of a sergeant punching a hand cuffed man in the back of a car. That incident was reported by other officers and the overzealous sergeant was found guilty of assault and official oppression. He lost his 18 year pension and did jail time because the other officers reported him.

Other than two videos on there that I know the officer was not charged because his actions were justified (the guy who was tackled by a citizen while cuffing another man, and the one where the woman with the stroller fought getting in the patrol car) I would stake anything asked of me that the vast majority were prosecuted.

How does any of that change the fact that you are fear mongering, and supporting a stance that will cause more trouble. Most cops are good people when they're not we should hold them to account.

Crescent, thats me, the fear monger. I suppose i'm also a conspiracy theorist for considering topics outside the norm or questioning what is accepted as truth. All that aside, and as you conceded, police brutality does exist and is a problem. Don't agree that its still happening? well there are hundreds more videos that are current. What say you to Anaheim? Should cops be firing rubber bullets into crowds with women and children? should cops be releasing dogs into the same crowd allowing it to attack a woman with child? Probably not. Should the riot teams set out to stop the occupy movements have sprayed pepper spray in a line of detained folks faces continuously? probably not. Should police strip search a woman in front of her children and forcibly remove her tampon on a public roadway? not so much. Should police be militarizing? most certainly fuck not. Cops should be cops, agents of peace, not trained by the damn military--like so many of the SWAT units that now handle the more difficult of police encounters. I suppose you think indefinite detention without cause is a good thing too? I think these things are all worthy of fear. I think i've provided sufficient and reasonable response to your comments and all i'm asking in return is that you take a step back and examine your brotherhood in blue. It seems pretty obvious what is being suggested, and i'm sure you've been witness to encounters that made you uncomfortable or perhaps you saw as out of line. Some cops are fucking crooked, some just take their bad days and disdain for their position out on the civilians they are sworn to protect. If that wasn't the case, we wouldn't be having this discussion now. All i'm suggesting is that cops, bad day or not, should act with some compassion and that police brutalizing civilians should be stopped with severe consequences for law enforcement. The attitude you are taking is just as dangerous as what i've suggested, because you fail to even consider that this is more common than you realize. The notion is always dismissed as "the bad egg" theory, and that its still very rare, but fact of the matter is, its happening everywhere. Until civilians see that law enforcement officers aren't above the law and are made example of for the misconduct, there will only be a continuing divide and more fear of "law enforcement." I'm just glad there are cameras in everyone's hands to catch the shit that happens now.

 

[Drewski]

Crescent, thats me, the fear monger. I suppose i'm also a conspiracy theorist for considering topics outside the norm or questioning what is accepted as truth.

I'm just glad there are cameras in everyone's hands to catch the shit that happens now.

You are critical of those who buy into the "police propaganda", but all you are doing is buying into the other sides propaganda. Make no mistake, both sides have an agenda.
Everyone has a version of the "truth". Truth isn't relative. Truth IS TRUTH. In most cases, the truth is more likely somewhere in between.


I hope you don't believe everything you see on video!!

 

[milehighcj360t]

You are critical of those who buy into the "police propaganda", but all you are doing is buying into the other sides propaganda. Make no mistake, both sides have an agenda.
Everyone has a version of the "truth". Truth isn't relative. Truth IS TRUTH. In most cases, the truth is more likely somewhere in between.


I hope you don't believe everything you see on video!!

Thats the funny thing about video, it pretty much SHOWS you what happens...i'm sure there are intricacies that are not unveiled in the video, but as far as i'm concerned, there is no justification for abusing anyone already detained. Believe what you want to believe, all i'm saying is you must consider both sides or you are being a damn shortsighted fool.

 

[Drewski]

Thats the funny thing about video, it pretty much SHOWS you what happens...i'm sure there are intricacies that are not unveiled in the video, but as far as i'm concerned, there is no justification for abusing anyone already detained. Believe what you want to believe, all i'm saying is you must consider both sides or you are being a damn shortsighted fool.

I think I've been pretty clear to say that I DO consider both sides. The popular view today though, is to side with the anti-police view.

My point is to caution jumping to ANY conclusion.

Video shows what the camera sees, true. But, the camera operator or video editor controls what is presented. A lot depends on when the camera it turned on. Much can be accidentally or purposely missed.

Again... both sides have an agenda! Make no mistake about that! Discretion folks! Discretion!

 

[jwarriner]

All I want is more accountability and less authoritarianism. What's wrong with that agenda?

What's the opposite stance? Less accountability and more authoritarianism? That's not merely "the other side," it's lunacy.

 

[Kanticoy]

Accountability is all well and good, but it goes both ways. You know the law, and whether you like it or not, if you choose to break it you are subject to the consequences within the law.

 

[Drewski]

All I want is more accountability and less authoritarianism. What's wrong with that agenda?

What's the opposite stance? Less accountability and more authoritarianism? That's not merely "the other side," it's lunacy.

Agendas don't have to be polar opposites.

The opposite side of authoritarianism is anarchy. Is that what you propose? Not likely. I won't accuse you of promoting that, so don't hint that I promote authoritarian "lunacy", o'k?

Nothing wrong with accountability. I don't think anyone said there should be less accountability.

The way I see it, the police are not directly accountable to every Tom, Dick and Harry on the street though. They are accountable to their bosses, leaders, etc, until accountability works it's way up to the elected officials. THAT'S where the people come in. Elect the RIGHT people into power. I know. Easier said than done.

Listen. Many people much smarter than u and I have laboured to resolve this issue for many years. It's a multi-layered problem that won't easily be rectified.

Sorry for rambling. I'm trying to get some work done today too!

Everyone has their perspective on this based of their experiences, beliefs and preferences. That's all it is though. Personal perspective.

 

[Kanticoy]

Thanks Drew. That was very well said sir.

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[Big R]

Wow. There are some amazing opinions here. All I'm going to say is this: Crescent and Ranger - I want to thank you guys for the commendable job you guys do. I have been friends with many officers throughout the years and have heard some terrible stories.

I know exactly one cop that I would even think of calling a bad name (and he has never even talked to me specifically - no tickets, warnings, whatever). Would I call that one cop if my life or a family members life depended on it? Damn straight. Because I know he would give his life if needed.

Maybe we should be a little more grateful of the people that protect us while we sleep........

 

[bradj]

Wow.

Maybe we should be a little more grateful of the people that protect us while we sleep........

plus 1

 

[03rangerxlt]

Wow. There are some amazing opinions here. All I'm going to say is this: Crescent and Ranger - I want to thank you guys for the commendable job you guys do. I have been friends with many officers throughout the years and have heard some terrible stories.

I know exactly one cop that I would even think of calling a bad name (and he has never even talked to me specifically - no tickets, warnings, whatever). Would I call that one cop if my life or a family members life depended on it? Damn straight. Because I know he would give his life if needed.

Maybe we should be a little more grateful of the people that protect us while we sleep........

Thank you and to all of the others that are supportive of LEOs. The pay is crappy, but we choose to do the job, so I don't have room to bitch there. The job is fun though, and I get to do a lot of interesting things and meet a lot of interesting people. But sometimes a word of appreciation feels pretty damn good!

To those that don't like LEOs...

I hope that I can have an interation with someone and provide them with a positive experience. I try to treat everybody I come into contact with with respect. Yes, sometimes I come off as a smart ass, rude, or uncaring. But want to know why?

I am just like everybody else out there. I am a human being. I shit, fuck, eat, and sleep just like you. I like vintage hot rods, motorcycles, shooting guns, and grilling meat. Sometimes, I have a bad day. Sometimes I have great days.

Regardless of who you are and what you think about me, stay safe people!

 

[milehighcj360t]

Thank you and to all of the others that are supportive of LEOs. The pay is crappy, but we choose to do the job, so I don't have room to bitch there. The job is fun though, and I get to do a lot of interesting things and meet a lot of interesting people. But sometimes a word of appreciation feels pretty damn good!

To those that don't like LEOs...

I hope that I can have an interation with someone and provide them with a positive experience. I try to treat everybody I come into contact with with respect. Yes, sometimes I come off as a smart ass, rude, or uncaring. But want to know why?

I am just like everybody else out there. I am a human being. I shit, fuck, eat, and sleep just like you. I like vintage hot rods, motorcycles, shooting guns, and grilling meat. Sometimes, I have a bad day. Sometimes I have great days.

Regardless of who you are and what you think about me, stay safe people!

And how, Ranger. Hats off and thank you.

 

[axeugene27]

america... fuck yeah

 

[Drewski]

... and that, dear friends, is a wrap!

(Now where was I.... oh ya. Pass me that 10mm socket there, will ya? )