Decent Price on 400f Motor?

Narb1989

Been Around the Block
Hello,

I am looking to swap my 350f motor out with a 400f motor for extra GO and an additional gear. What is the average price of a 400f motor? I understand that there are a lot of variable that can increase or decrease the price. I do not know if the motor runs or what kinda work it needs. The owner requested I wait till the end of the month to contact him about an offer. Right now, I am looking for a ball park price. Let me know what you all think.

The owner is selling a package deal but I am trying to get the spare motor only. Check the link here: http://syracuse.craigslist.org/mcy/4376991688.html

Thanks
 
I believe the 400f motor has similar motor mounts to the CB360. They are a bit different in placement then the 350.

Also, the frames are different enough (in the rear) that there will be carburetor clearance issues and exhaust clearance. . the 350 has a formed backbone down the middle (in the back), while the 360/400 has 2 down tubes that are open in the center.

Not saying it can't be done, just that it will require frame and mount fabrication.

The CB350 Motor is 36HP, and has a lot of aftermarket parts because it is used for racing. The CB400f motor has 37 HP. While sexy looking, it is actually slower than the CB350 and cb360 because of the extra weight.

Not telling you not to do it, but you will not get anything except and unusual bike with hard to find motor parts and slower than stock.
 
I am trying to swap the 350f motor in my 350f frame to a 400f motor. Everything that I read says that its a plug and play swap. I wish I had a 350 twin because I know their potential versus the 350f. When people ask me what the "f" stands for, I just smile and tell them "fast".
 
The 400F engine will bolt right in to the 350F frame with no mods. I've done this swap, and wrote a shit ton about it somewhere on here. I will post it when I can find it. I also have bought and sold 350F and 400F engines. Non-running 400F engine meant for rebuild should be around $250, or at least that's what I paid for one.
 
Hee ya go:

I'm finishing up a build with a CB400F engine in a CB350F frame. Yes, they're compatible. I like the CB400F front pegs much better; they're set back about 6 inches. Hate to give this away, but they will also work on 550s and I'm guessing 750s, with some minor mods, for a "semi-rear set" kind of deal. I guess since I'm sitting on 3 sets I'm good for now. The rear pegs, however, I like much better on a CB350F as they are mounted to the frame. On the 400F, they are mounted to the swing arm. WTF. If you switch over to 400F pegs you'll need the shift linkage (obviously) but also the rear brake lever. On the left side, the new shifter with linkage will interfere with the side stand, but not if you cut off the little ring of metal that comes on them; the main part of the stand is fine. On the CB350F, the mount for the brake lever (a small tube welded on to the frame) sticks out about 1 or 1.5 inches more than on the 400F, so if you mount a 400F brake lever on a 350F frame, it will stick out a bit from the engine. I used a grinder with a cutting wheel to cut this off, and stuck some of what I cut off on the brake lever behind the mounting tab (essentially making it more like the CB400F). Takes a little finangling for the brake light switch, if I remember correctly, but nothing major. Tanks fit just fine. Side covers are, obviously, different, but I am not running side covers. Seats are different. Handlebars on a 400F had a rise of about 2 inches, and on a CB350F the rise was about 4-5 inches. As far as I know, there was no stock 4-1 exhaust for the CB350F; the CB400F is recognized as the first stock 4-1 exhaust system (someone correct me if I am wrong here). That being said, a stock CB400F 4-1 exhaust bolts right up to the CB350F engine, although you can't use stock CB350F pegs and need an exhaust mount in the rear. Key is mounted differently (as are idiot lights). The CB400F has a really ugly headlight and front turn signal mount, and the CB350F has cool looking headlight ears and gaiters for the front forks. Forks are same diameter (33mm) and are interchangeable. CB400F has 6 gears. I've found with both that keeping stock exhaust and switching to pods doesn't require rejetting, just tuning, with both bikes. I will let you know what happens with my new bike when it's up and running -- I am running custom 4-4 exhaust and pods. Different front fenders on the CB400F and CB350F, too. Oh yeah, you can turn the headlight off on the CB350F, but not on the CB400F; it's always on when the bike is running. Different horn, too; CB350 is cooler and covered in chrome. I guess that's all I can think of now...

I know a ton of people slag off the CB350F when compared to the CB400F, but I honestly like the CB350F styling better (cooler tank with knee cuts, cooler seat, rear pegs). And I gotta say, I've had a CB350F for about 15 years. Rebuilt the engine back then, and with the occasional carb overhaul and annual tune-ups (and a slightly rattling cam chain...) the thing runs super smooth. I hold 75 easily on the freeway, which isn't too bad, but it'll go faster (I've done the ton on one of my old CB400F bikes, however).

Recent photo here: http://wordsofwezdom.blogspot.com/2012/08/cb350f400f-update.html
 
Misread the first post. Didn't realize was a 350f. Makes a big difference.


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Excellent reply carnivorous chicken, thank you for the info. My brother has a bone stock 350f and I've ridden that a few times. It's def pretty slow in the stock configuration. I have UNI pods and a MAC 4-1 right now. I plan to jet the carbs and get everything tuned up with that set up. Perhaps that will make the little 350f come alive a little. I'm just learning as I go really. I know that those who have upgraded to the 400f really like the result so I was considering this myself.

What mods did you have on your 350f to get it to do 75? While holding 75mph is it screaming bloody murder or does it feel relatively smooth? I'm not trying to race my bike but the highway speeds around here are in the 70s on average. I don't want to get killed hah
 
Stock CB350f is 2 HP less then the 2 cylinder and weighs a little more...The little fours are jewels of an engine, but not as powerful as the twins....
 
Caf'd Out said:
Excellent reply carnivorous chicken, thank you for the info. My brother has a bone stock 350f and I've ridden that a few times. It's def pretty slow in the stock configuration. I have UNI pods and a MAC 4-1 right now. I plan to jet the carbs and get everything tuned up with that set up. Perhaps that will make the little 350f come alive a little. I'm just learning as I go really. I know that those who have upgraded to the 400f really like the result so I was considering this myself.

What mods did you have on your 350f to get it to do 75? While holding 75mph is it screaming bloody murder or does it feel relatively smooth? I'm not trying to race my bike but the highway speeds around here are in the 70s on average. I don't want to get killed hah

My 350F is mostly stock, but I've got 400F exhaust and pegs on it, and clubmans. It retains stock jetting and airbox. Going 75 brings the rpms up to about 8K, so it's definitely working but not too close to the red line. And it runs like a top, so yep, pretty smooth. The main complaint I hear about people riding these and 400Fs on the high way is that they feel small and are worried they'll get blown around. I dunno if I'm just used to smaller bikes, but I'm pretty comfortable on the highway on mine, both in Phoenix where people drive fast as hell and now here in Boston.

The 350F is slower off the line than the twin, but I find once the rpms wind up a little they're pretty quick and nimble. If your brother's bike is lagging, I'd suggest a compression check, tune up, make sure spark advance is right, etc. OR maybe he's a fat bastard -- just jokes, I'm at around 215 right now and my bike's still pulling me around.
 
Good stuff. Maybe ill just hold off for right now till I have the bike all together and rippin around. Im sortin out some odds and ends and it'll be ready to go. From there Ill be able to assess whether or not I need a 400f upgrade.
 
That deal in Syracuse doesn't look too bad, especially with what 400Fs are bringing these days -- spare motor, spare frame and goodies, two tanks, etc., that could all sell and bring the price of the complete bike down to $1500 or so, with luck. Id' want to make sure whoever did the engine work on the complete bike knew what he was doing. The ad doesn't say anything about how it runs...
 
That's the issue im seeing at this time. I'm not sure if the spare motor runs or if it was a donor for the complete bike. I'm already deep into my project now. The last thing I want to do is tear down and rebuild a motor if I already have one functioning. That's a winter project really. Its almost riding season; I want to ride! If I had the coin to toss around, I'd scoop up the lot, build a cafe bike and flog the rest.
 
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