Gun Blueing the Gas Tank - Updated - Finshed with Pictures

JiveTalkinRobot

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Has anyone every tried using gun blue on a gas tank? How did it turn out?

I'm tempted to try it for that raw gunmetal look.

[update] I finally bit the bullet and just did it. Here's a couple of pics, more to follow soon. Overall, I'm happy with it, but wouldn't do it again (too much work).
 

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I have never tried that before, but i like the idea ALOT! If you go for it upload some pics, i would like to see the results.
 
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Yeah dude, that sounds cool. If you don't do it I think I'm gonna have to run with that shit.
 
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fuck me sideways Margret thats a brilliant idea! Im doing it.
 
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Just so everybody is aware: gun bluing won't stop rust. It will slow the effect of it, but will need oiled occasionally (just like a gun barrel). I have no idea what gasoline / clear coat would do to the surface either. Might be worth the time to experiment on something other than a tank?
 
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Big Rich said:
Just so everybody is aware: gun bluing won't stop rust. It will slow the effect of it, but will need oiled occasionally (just like a gun barrel). I have no idea what gasoline / clear coat would do to the surface either. Might be worth the time to experiment on something other than a tank?

Good point, I also dont know anyone in the habit of leaving their guns out in the rain on a regular basis. Still, I'm gonna give er a try.
 
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That really is a damn good idea! I also hope you post the pics afterward. Here is something you might want to look into. I have blued guns before using "cold blue" where you just wipe it on. That didnt seem to hold up very well. The other method was a "hot blue" where you would heat the metal with a small torch and then apply the blue with cotton. The hot blue was a bitch to keep the color even but it holds up for years. I dont remember the product names but a little research at a good gun shop would be the place to start I think. Good luck, it should look really good! :)
 
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Ah, finally something I might know a little something about. Not an expert by any means with firearms but I have been an enthusiast and amateur gunsmith for years.

Some rambling thoughts: I don't know how well a clear coat will adhere to a true glossy bluing finish - and I sure as hell wouldn't want to sand it back a little to promote adhesion of the clear coat. A lot of guys will use wax over their blued parts when going out in the weather and it works well enough (same for wood gunstocks). But fighting rust will be an issue just like running a raw metal tank.

There are several types of bluing and similar finishes:
1. cold bluing, which both processes strat described are really considered,
2. hot caustic bluing (aka hot salt bluing), which is what you'll find on most blued commercial rifles and many customs,
3. traditional rust bluing is what a lot of home gunsmiths do and you'll find on really high end customs because it is very time intensive and looks beautiful. This can also be referred to as rust browning and is typical to the finish you'd see on old flintlock and similar style rifles.
4. parkerizing - is a rougher finish and usually has a charcoal, gray or sometimes gray-green tint but can get close to black and is what is seen on most military-type rifles like AR-15s. It also makes a great base-coat for a spray-on or spray-on and bake finishes like DuraCoat. [side note: Parkerize + Duracoat is what I typically use on my rifles, though my Dad has had two of his blued because he wanted a more classic look]

I believe someone explained that blueing is basically just rusting the piece but halting it at a certain point.

You could try cold blueing, or even cold blueing using heat as strat described to help get a better more even finish, and you may get decent results but it won't look like a true gun blueing. It's usually fine for small parts or to touch up spots. This is actually not a true blue or rusting process at all, it just uses a chemical process to color the metal.

I think parkerizing could be a good choice for something like this. It is really good rust inhibitor, but as anyone who has carried an M-16 through the bush for a few days knows you'll always have a trouble spot or two in creases and crevices. Plus it can be done at home easily enough. Places like Midway USA and Brownells sell the beginners kits. But it might be better to have the work done rather than spend $200 on something you may never use again. It won't be a beautiful finish but it will be durable. But if you like that type of finish this might work.

I don't know that a caustic blue would be a great choice. One reason is that because the hot temperatures of the blueing salts. Any silver solder will melt away, which is a problem with firearms. My tank has what looks to be some brazing(?) around the fuel cap area. I'm not sure if that would hold up or not. Plus this type of finish will be very, very nice and I don't know that I'd want that type of finish on my gas tank. I'd cry the first time it got marred in any way. But I guess it wouldn't be much different than a nice paint job though. As for holding up to fuel - good question, I'd ask a professional.

Maybe the best choice might be traditional rust blueing. It's true that you can create a show quality finish with a ton of work but you can also just do a few coats and create a nice finish and call it a day. This basically involves creating a box (or something that will hold in heat and moisture, though I've heard of guys just putting them in the trunk of their car) to hold the parts, a tin of water, and a fairly low heat source to allow the piece to rust for something like 24 hours. Once the part has developed a little fuzzy rust you boil it then card off the rust with a file card. The metal will start developing a blue/black coloring. Repeat the process until you're satisfied.

Don't take my word on any of the procedures, they're all from memory, do some research yourself.

If you're seriously interested in having something done or just finding out more information then I'd recommend contacting Mark Waldo from Blue Ridge Bluing (http://www.blueridgebluing.com/). He has blued two of the rifles I built for my Dad. He does great work at a great price and he knows his stuff. I cannot recommend him enough.
 
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Argh, something I just thought about after reading what I wrote. Traditional rust bluing sounds a little dangerous to me because you'd be promoting rust for the entire tank, even where you didn't want it - like inside. It will be easy enough to card off the rust on the outside but I'd be very nervous about what was happening on the inside of the tank during the process. You might be able to coat the inside with oil or ATF or something similar and try to seal it, but I still don't think I'd try it.
 
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Yeah, gunmetal is my favorite color so I've spent a few days looking at how I can get a true gunmetal look on my tank...Gun Blueing is what i came up with after the research.

Diggerdanh, great writeup. I like how after you wrote an entire dissertation on how to do it, the process and result, you concluded with....don't do it. hahahahah

Will it rust through the tank though? That is somewhat concerning.

I was thinking of gun blueing then clear coating over it...not sure if there will be problems with adhesion, but man, it sounds like it would look cool.
 
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I tried using blueing on some hardware, It actually rusted faster then anything else. But that was the cheapo three part kits you can buy at the local sporting store
 
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Ha, thanks JiveTalkinRobot. I just wanted to inform a little bit.

And after saying all that I absolutely think that it sounds like it would look cool, completely different from anything else, and totally bad ass. Someone should try it! Maybe try it on something not as important as their prize possession tank - maybe a spare tank or something like that.
 
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I've decided im going to do it, now I just need to find a tank with no dents in it. Ebay is looking sparse right now for RD350 tanks. I saw one a few weeks ago with no rust and am so mad I didn't buy it.
 
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Bought an RD400 tank, which is kind of cool considering I think the coffin style tank with sharp lines will look better than a rounded tank in raw metal / gun blue.

Do I just sand down the tank or is there some specific paint stripping process?
 
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You can buy paint stripper at a specialty paint store, or hard ware store.

Its messy but a hell of a lot quicker.

Media blasting is your other option.
 
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If you're going to clearcoat over it, why bother to use actual bluing? Just get a gunmetal paint or powder color and clear over that. If you go through the trouble to do something unique like bluing the tank, why submerge it? Guns aren't clearcoated.

There's also Cerakote...
 
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Gunmetal paint doesn't actually look like steel...

My overall vision is gunmetal brushed steel...I think the only way to make it look that was is gun bluing.

However, in the long run this does not offer any sort of rust protection.

Do you think the layer of clear will ruin the look (honest question)? The way I envision it in my head, it will look slightly worse because it is a bit glossy, but the tradeoff to make it lower maintenance seems worth it.

EDIT: OK I think the only way to settle this is to go to Home Depot and buy a steel sheet, so I can test and see if it is possible to get a nice finish on a large surface area.
 
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JiveTalkinRobot said:
Do you think the layer of clear will ruin the look (honest question)? The way I envision it in my head, it will look slightly worse because it is a bit glossy, but the tradeoff to make it lower maintenance seems worth it.

EDIT: OK I think the only way to settle this is to go to Home Depot and buy a steel sheet, so I can test and see if it is possible to get a nice finish on a large surface area.

Testing is a great idea. And if you do need to clear it, you can do it in less than a full gloss, or even a complete matte.

Some blued guns have a reasonably glossy finish. Parkerized, no, but old-school blued guns have that smooth, semi-glossy look, especially when freshly oiled.
 
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Caswell sell a black oxide finishing kit. I'm experimenting with it myself at the moment but I don't any definite results to show yet.

Crazy
 
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