Heel toe rev matching

[baconpocket]

so i'm driving my cage today for teh first time in a while and i realize that i'm instinctively heel-toeing to match revs as i down-shift and corner and i remember that, so far, i have no abilility whatsoever to do this on my motorcycle

am i just not experienced enough and need more practice, or is this really hard to do when your right hand is supposed to be sqeezing the brake and at the same time twisting the throttle?

i really cannot get this to work for the life of me

 

[Oz Customs]

The syncros in the automotive trans do lend a lot of aid to making that happen easier...plus, and I believe the bigger factor, is the fact that with a car your hand is MUCH more sensitive to that feel in the shifter than what you are going to feel with your foot; I had a jockey shifter on a Buell chopper a while back that I could shift around clutch-less...so far it's the only bike I've been able to do that on with any degree of consistancy.

 

[baconpocket]

thanks for the input Oz,
so when you were able to jockey shift and rev-match, were you simultaneously braking with your right hand and blipping?
that's the real question i'm getting at here. i guess now that i think about it though, i can sort of accomplish this by braking the rear tire only, blipping the throttle and downshifting. that might actually be easier than using the right foot to operate the brake and throttle simultaneously in a cage.
and looking at the proper braking technique thread, it seems like this should be done before the corner starts? http://dotheton.com/index.php?topic=10185.0


after poking around the internets a bit, i came across this article http://2wheeltuesday.com/2009/09/how-to-clutchless-shifting-makes-you-faster-and-smoother/

it's not what i was asking in my first post, but it makes me wonder if any of you guys are doing this on your cafes?

 

[Darmstro]

I used to shift my old xs400 without the clutch without too much effort. I think it was more out of pure laziness than anything, but I don't remember it being too hard to keep smooth. Probably helped that the bike was absolutely gutless and hard to make any sort of error on.

 

[biker_reject]

You guys need to ride sportbikes for awhile. Clutchless upshifting is just another technique in machine handling, though it has been proven to be less efficient than an air shifter. Listening and knowing your engine is how I learned to blip and match revs. I don't do it perfectly every time (usually if I'm riding lazy not paying attention), but wheel hop is a rare occurrence. The wonderful thing about sportbikes is the race track technology. Slipper clutches and traction control are awesome!

 

[rockcitycafe]

it's feel mostly, I think once you are on a specific bike long enough, you start to know where revs line up with speed in what gears, in hard turns it's sometimes good to over rev and let the clutch slip in gently so as to not lock up the back wheel, also... that's why a lot of race bikes use slipper clutches

 

[biker_reject]

I agree. I guess I've been on sportbikes so long that certain techniques are almost second nature. That is the type of street bike I started on and have been on for 15 years. They are aggressive machines that love to be ridden aggressively. So, matching revs, clutchless up-shifting, hanging off, weighing/unweighing pegs, fear suppression, etc. were techniques that had to be learned to realize the potential of those bikes and to stay alive.

P.S. Certain sportbikes have had slipper clutches for several years now. Soon traction control will be de rigueur.