inventing a brand?

WeberKid

Coast to Coast
sooooo. some of you may have been following my build on my silly little blog:
http://www.tenderind.com/search/label/trinda
and I am building a "Trinda" a combination of Triumph and Honda. my papers are all Honda, but if I paint "trinda" on the tank and machine a custom "trinda" stator cover - is there any way I could change the registration to identify the bike as a "trinda"? I have no qualms about registering a 650 triumph powered 450 Honda VIN as a honda - it would just be fun to see on paper. Thoughts? Also - has anyone ever been able to register a "Triton" as a Triton???
 
Most states use the vin stamped into the neck. In your case it will always be a Honda.

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not if he machine a new one... they'll keep track by the vin# they assign to it. But, you can call it what ever you want. Done on H.d. chops all the time.
 
Don't you need to be somehow 'certified' to manufacture a frame and have it registered with a VIN? Or can anyone slap some tubing together, engrave any old number they feel like into the headstock and register it?

In Ontario, I have to submit a Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin to register a custom frame and get an ownership for it. Not sure if you can just go to Staples and print something on some fancy paper and call it a MSO or not.
 
Re: Re: inventing a brand?

WeberKid said:
I have no qualms about registering a 650 triumph powered 450 Honda VIN as a honda -

Yeah one off frames are different, in Alabama you have to have an mso made and done by an "inspection agency". That's where it gets weird because basically it amounts to it being an inspection officer (police officer for the county in our case) looking at it and signing it off. That's only in the case of single production runs though. You get into "mass" production it gets worse. I just assumed by the above statement that it was going into a cb450 frame. In that case, as long as the neck is attached, it'll always be a Honda.

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In PA they basically make it near impossible to scratch build, than register a motorcycle frame. You can go through PennDOT and apply for a "specialty construction" title if you want to spend a small fortune in fees just to be told "no" by some office worker whos having a bad day and gat your call that morning. There are other ways as well that will just cost more and have less chance of a positive outcome. One of the big turn offs is the fact that no matter what route you take, it will involve spending time with a few State Police Troopers. I have nothing at all against cops really, but I tend to avoid "hanging out" with a bunch of on duty State boys. Hahaha...
 
Kanticoy said:
In that case, as long as the neck is attached, it'll always be a Honda.
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honda it is.
 
Only bad thing is, if you wreck it, the insurance will only pay you the value of whatever Honda it's titled as, and with our old bikes, that means about 500$.
 
Jewbacca said:
Only bad thing is, if you wreck it, the insurance will only pay you the value of whatever Honda it's titled as, and with our old bikes, that means about 500$.

I'd be surprised if 5% of the bikes on here would get their value from insurance
 
If you want to pay a little more you can tell your insurance company it is a custom bike and tell them value of your bike and they will quote you off that value .
 
I was able to insure my 79' Honda for $1,500 plus the cost of any aftermarket accessories. I just have to keep current pictures of the bike and receipts for everything I put on. Progressive let me put in my own value for the bike, they just have to approve it.
 
In NY this is the process with the DMV hahahaha. Its almost not even worth it some time. Just get a neck with a VIN on it and clear title and build the frame around that haha

1. Get the application package. Tell them you need form MV-272.1 because you do not have a VIN. They will assign you a VIN number to be stamped into the neck of the frame. Contact information is:
NYSDMV Technical Services Bureau
Vehicle Safety Services
6 Empire State Plaza
Albany NY 12228
(518) 474-5282
2. If the vehicle is approved and a VIN is issued, the DMV issues form VS-103 (Notice of Registration Acceptability) to you.
3. Get the vehicle inspected.
4. Use the instructions on form VS-103 to apply for a vehicle registration and a title certificate.

From NYSDMV website:

Vehicle Examinations
Before a vehicle that is homemade or unique is approved for a registration, the DMV can require an examination of the vehicle. A vehicle examination is also required if the DMV assigns a VIN to the vehicle.

The DMV notifies you by mail of the date, the time and the location of the examination. Make sure that you bring the following documents to the examination:

1. all original proofs of purchase, sales receipts or tax receipts,
2. the Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin (MCO) or any other statement from the manufacturer, the title certificate, and other proofs of ownership, and
3. other documents that identify the source of the vehicle or major parts used to make the vehicle.
4. Vehicle Identification Number (VIN)

If your vehicle needs an acceptable Vehicle Identification Number (VIN), the DMV Division of Field Investigations can assign one. Complete form MV-272.1 (Application for Vehicle Identification Number). Write a personal check or money order payable to "Commissioner of Motor Vehicles" for the non-refundable fee of $25. Send the completed form and payment to:

VIN Assignment
Division of Field Investigation
Department of Motor Vehicles
6 Empire State Plaza
Albany, NY 12228

If you apply for a vehicle approval from the Technical Services Bureau at the same time that you request a VIN from the Division of Field Investigations, make sure that you explain and include a note in the applications to both offices.

Before you pay the non-refundable VIN fee, make sure that you can register the vehicle. Send the application to the Technical Services Bureau to request a vehicle approval. If the vehicle is approved, you receive a notification to send form MV-272.1 and your fee payment to the Division of Field Investigations. This procedure takes more time, but you do not pay the non-refundable fee for a VIN if the registration is refused.

The Division of Field Investigations must examine your vehicle before a VIN is assigned. When your VIN is assigned, you receive a validated form MV-272.1 from Division of Field Investigations that displays the VIN. Send a photocopy of this form to the Technical Services Bureau.

Safety Inspection
If your vehicle is approved for a registration, the Technical Services Bureau sends you form VS-103 (Notice of Registration Acceptability). You must get the vehicle inspected at an official motor vehicle inspection station. Take form VS-103 with you. If the vehicle passes the inspection, make sure that the inspector completes the form for you.

Note: Your vehicle is not registered at the time of inspection. You must tow or transport the vehicle on a trailer to the inspection station.

Vehicle Registration
If the vehicle has a VIN and has passed the safety inspection, you can register the vehicle at any local DMV office. You must have the following items to register your vehicle:

1. A completed form MV-82.
2. Proof of ownership.
3. A NYS Insurance Identification Card that describes the same vehicle and displays the same name as the vehicle registration.
4. Proof of sales tax payment, sales tax exemption or purchase price. If you do not have this proof, you must pay the sales tax. Get information about sales tax.
5. A weight certificate or proof of ownership that indicates the vehicle weight (completed vehicle weight).
6. The completed form VS-103. If you do not provide a completed form VS-103, you cannot register the vehicle or receive a title certificate.
7. The original, validated copy of form MV-272.1 (if necessary).
8. Proofs of identity and date of birth.
9. If you register the vehicle in the name of a corporation, provide proof of incorporation. The instructions are included on form MV-82.1.
10. Payment for the correct fees (sales tax, registration documents, vehicle plates and title certificate).
 
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