Making rear wheel safe....

[MB]

Hey guys I lost the "tongued washer" or 10mm sprocket retaining bolts for the rear wheel of my 74' CL 450. I can't find em anywhere. I have seen guys drill through the bolts and nuts and secure with wire. What kinda wire should I use and how do you rate this technique?

 

[AlphaDogChoppers]

Clean threads of both studs and nuts with brake cleaner, and use red Loctite.

 

[MB]

That'll be enough?

 

[AlphaDogChoppers]

I wouldn't say it if it wasn't enough, OK?

This is how it is done with most modern motorcycles. The tabbed nut/bolt retainer is an outdated method.

 

[MB]

Thanks mate. Wanna make sure it's 100% safe, appreciate your advice

 

[my-79-750-k]

I second the red loctite, good stuff.

 

[Swapmeet Louie]

3rd...

 

[HerrDeacon]

If you'd still like to use the tabbed retainer, they are pretty easy to make from a bit of sheet metal.

 

[MB]

Thanks mate. Wanna make sure it's 100% safe, appreciate your advice

 

[Hoosier Daddy]

And if you haven't been properly trained in saftey wire tieing you will probably do it wrong. either backwards, too loose, or too tight.
I got my training from Uncle Sam and still have my "safe-tieing" pliers from wrenching on F-4's

 

[rockcitycafe]

thread locking compound isn't something I'd put my life on, it wouldn't pass in technical inspection on the track, so it's not as safe as lockwire or the tabbed shim, if you're going to lockwire it, there are proper methods to be followed which will keep things safe, the gauge depends on the application, if it's a 10mm stud, you'd probably want something like .030 stainless, make sure not to mar the wire too, (if you got those pliers from HF) they have done that to me so I had to do some work with a file on them, really nice ones you'd be working on F4's with are probably nicer

 

[Swapmeet Louie]

thread locking compound isn't something I'd put my life on, it wouldn't pass in technical inspection on the track, so it's not as safe as lockwire or the tabbed shim, if you're going to lockwire it, there are proper methods to be followed which will keep things safe, the gauge depends on the application, if it's a 10mm stud, you'd probably want something like .030 stainless, make sure not to mar the wire too, (if you got those pliers from HF) they have done that to me so I had to do some work with a file on them, really nice ones you'd be working on F4's with are probably nicer

You've seen the build right. What about it gives you the idea it possibly will end on one? I'm curious?

 

[rockcitycafe]

I look to track tech standards as a pretty good measure of safety, if you're not building a motorcycle to ride, then it doesn't really matter, but generally I figure go by track safety standards and nothing will fall off, or loosen and spill oil on your tires, resulting in a crash... and crashing is bad, chicks dig scars, but they don't dig smelly rotting skin sheddings flaking out of ace bandaged arms and legs which still have pins sticking out through the skin...

 

[Swapmeet Louie]

If "safest" is your plan call your insurance, Or d.O.T That's a high podium for your daily rider's specs to rest on.No?

 

[teazer]

We're talking sprocket nuts, Yes? If OEM lock tab washers are NLA, loctite should be enough, but on a track bike they should be safety wired. I have never bothered to do that on a street bike though. Not necessary.

And nothing is 100% safe. All you can do is to manage and minimize risk.

 

[MB]

Yeah I know. Combining the feeling after my crash last year, and the fact I may pass this one on to someone else, minimizing risk has becoming even more present in my mind. I have found it pretty hard to ride this year so The more peace of mind the better

 

[crazypj]

Honda probably still has hundreds of thousands of them, just need to find a shop willing to cross reference part numbers

 

[scm]

Neither locktite nor safety wire can prevent these bolts from loosening (only from falling off).
But once applied the wire keeps people from checking proper torque, this is why loctite is safer.

Best regards
Sven

 

[Swapmeet Louie]

Neither locktite nor safety wire can prevent these bolts from loosening (only from falling off).
But once applied the wire keeps people from checking proper torque, this is why loctite is safer.

Best regards
Sven

If wire is applied properly, it pulls in the direction of tightening... Why are we still talking about this...? locktite for road bike, wire for race< which should be gone over regularly anyway. If you wanna finish said race.

 

[Hoosier Daddy]

Neither locktite nor safety wire can prevent these bolts from loosening (only from falling off).
But once applied the wire keeps people from checking proper torque, this is why loctite is safer.

BULL SHIT!
When you are properly safe tying the bolt can not loosen because it would tighten the wire.

The only way it would is if you went the wrong direction or have a broken wire, usually caused by over twisting. If it is good enough security for jet aircraft and the pilot entrusting me with his life, it's good enough for me. But like I said at the beginning of the thread, and your comment proves it, it's not recommended if you aren't properly trained.