New York State title issues

surffly said:
The way I read the story is that the person you bought it from was not the legitimate owner and has zero rights to sell it to you, or at least thats how the states see it.

The paperwork process is like this for a reason, and not just there to make life hard.
Its important for a lot of reasons for a state to have a complete understanding of a bike or car before allowing it to go on the public road.
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He was the legitimate owner, and lives literally down the road from the person who is a friend who he bought it from, to whom the title that he lost was originally registered to.

Not sure about the states but in the UK the legitimate owner of a vehicle may not be the same as the person who is registered as the keeper of the vehicle on the registration document.

Anyway the title was applied for in the original owners name, and has not been returned (like they were the first time he tried to apply for them in his name). If the application is made from the original name and address of the titled owner, I'm still perplexed as to why there would be a problem?

Ante up and pay the $150-300 arizona "title service" maybe thats all the paperwork you need.
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I don't need much I just need something, this maybe enough and if this is what I think it is, is my Plan D at the moment. I'm actually going to call the shipping company next week, maybe I don't need anything with such an old bike.
 
In the states if your name is not on the most current title or regi it in no way is your bike and you have zero right to sell it or talk to the DMV about it.

The last person can request another title. Takes $15 and 1-4 weeks in NYS. Hell they even have an option to rush it for like $10 more.

Honestly it sounds like you are getting bad info or someone is blowing smoke up your butt.
 
I turned down a nice Suzuki with a good price this past summer because the guy said he did not have the NYS title for it and I did not feel like going through the hassle of getting one. Sense then I have talked to people that have used a company out of South Carolinia that you send them a bill of sale for your motor vehicle and they get it titled in SC and resell it to you with a SC title. I do not know the company name but an internet serch my find them.
 
I know that NYS is cracking down on these "title service" loop hole places.

Honestly think of it like this.
I have a clear "open" title to one of my bikes. It has been out of the NYS DMV system for about 15-20 years. If I sign it and walk into the DMV they will give me plates the same day. I bought it from the person whos name is on the title. This is a square deal. What is to stop someone from taking my VIN number and righting out a "bill of sale" and doing this title service BS? Nothing really....and thats called stealing.....

Anyone that is the rightful owner of a vehicle can get the correct papers from the DMV in one trip and for a nominal fee. So in my book anyone that is unwilling to do this has something to hide.
 
surffly said:
I know that NYS is cracking down on these "title service" loop hole places.

Honestly think of it like this.
I have a clear "open" title to one of my bikes. It has been out of the NYS DMV system for about 15-20 years. If I sign it and walk into the DMV they will give me plates the same day. I bought it from the person whos name is on the title. This is a square deal. What is to stop someone from taking my VIN number and righting out a "bill of sale" and doing this title service BS? Nothing really....and thats called stealing.....

Anyone that is the rightful owner of a vehicle can get the correct papers from the DMV in one trip and for a nominal fee. So in my book anyone that is unwilling to do this has something to hide.
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Hi I'm really not to sure if this is correct and has put some more confidence in the seller. I've just been on the NYS dmv website.

Processing time for a new title via mail is 6-8 weeks just like the guy told me (it is 6 weeks in the UK and took more than double that, 2 1/2 months for me to replace my 1960s papers). Via internet and yes even in person is 5-7 working days, given that the title was never digital this is not an option.

Given it has just gone 8 weeks now and the dmv have not sent the papers back/ rejected them as before, this is a good sign. The papers were sent in by the original owner.

What is to stop someone from taking my VIN number and righting out a "bill of sale" and doing this title service BS? Nothing really....and thats called stealing.....
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Whats with the whole stealing thing???

How is it stealing if someone legitimately buys a bike and papers are lost? I've never bought hot goods and would never consider it, it is pretty obvious who you are buying from when you go to buy the bike. If I bought a bike with a title and took it to the UK is it stealing because I am unable in anyway whatsoever to title myself in the US???

Completely hypothetically in an imaginary court in the US, I could prove with difficulty that I legitimately bought the bike, that I don't have a title is meaningless as I can't use or get one anyway in the States! It is a piece of paper that helps me prove I bought and own the bike in addition to an addressed bill of sale so I can take the bike to England thats all.

Buying a bike from a legitimate young guy who doesn't seem dodgy whatsoever and has 2 bikes in his possession strikes me as ok. Different if you buy from a scrap yard and are promised papers or from a dealer who has 50 bikes and also misplaced them.

You can tell just from the character of the guys you are buying from what the deal is, this guy is/was pretty straight laced imo. The proof is the dmv have not returned the papers as before. It is now only the dmv that could be a problem.
 
I agree, and in my case my bike was in a scrap dumpster.... I did a vin check and it was clean. So $60 and a bill of sale I have a plate and a transferable registration. Why waste good motorcycles
 
Im not saying that he stole it or you did or anything. What I am saying is that you cant prove its not.
Thats why we have titles and rules and such.
Unless I miss read what you were talking about....The guy that you "bought" the bike from was not the last person to have the bike titled in his name right? That guy knows the guy2 whose name the bike was last in and guy2 is now dealing with the DMV to get a title? If thats right then forget guy1, he is useless in your title quest.

Its great that you were able to get in touch with the person whose name is on the title and have then get you a new one. 6-8 weeks is the standard answer to everything from the DMV. I also know for a fact that they offer a rush service on titles for an extra $10 or so. I just did it on a car in my family, took 2-3 weeks to get the reissued title. Maybe the guy didnt get asked, or maybe he just didnt care enough to pay the extra money.

All I am saying is that if you are the rightful owner of a vehicle it is no issue at all to get paperwork.
You may think that guy1 was the rightful owner, but if his name was not on the last title then the state says that he is not.
 
surffly said:
Unless I miss read what you were talking about....The guy that you "bought" the bike from was not the last person to have the bike titled in his name right? That guy knows the guy2 whose name the bike was last in and guy2 is now dealing with the DMV to get a title? If thats right then forget guy1, he is useless in your title quest.

Its great that you were able to get in touch with the person whose name is on the title and have then get you a new one. 6-8 weeks is the standard answer to everything from the DMV. I also know for a fact that they offer a rush service on titles for an extra $10 or so. I just did it on a car in my family, took 2-3 weeks to get the reissued title. Maybe the guy didnt get asked, or maybe he just didnt care enough to pay the extra money.

All I am saying is that if you are the rightful owner of a vehicle it is no issue at all to get paperwork.
You may think that guy1 was the rightful owner, but if his name was not on the last title then the state says that he is not.
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Yea what you are saying is right. Guy 1 sold me the bike and we are in touch with Guy 2 who is the titled owner, who applied for a new set of papers, next week will be week 9 since he applied and nothing has been sent back (the first time we applied in Guys 1 name the papers were returned to us within 2 weeks).

The bike was never digitally titled, it was just on the old paper method, so any fast track method as far as I understand does not exist, (this is the same in the UK for old vehicles that didn't go to the new digitial registration).

So really there should be no problem with Guy 2 getting the papers then? This is really my question.
 
If the state has guy2's name on the last known title then no problem with him getting the title
 
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