Old men pointing at each other

[teazer]

Gentlemen, please stop reacting this way. few of us actually know each other and I'd like to believe that we wouldn't behave this way in real life.

Who started it is not really the point, so can we please stop name calling and let Rat Ranger get back to telling his story about his project. Is it the bestest or mostest or whatever? It doesn't matter much. It's an interesting project. And as a point of reference, I built my first cafe racer back in about 65 and none of my bikes have been high dollar collectables. Most started as projects or basket cases including my DB32GS, several triumphs, piles of Hondas and Yamahas including TZs. I have had the pleasure of working with Nobby Clark at Daytona when he was with Team Obsolete and I am just a beginner. I love to read about other people's projects and the solutions they come up with. As long as they are safe, I don't care if they are the fastest or best handling. I just like bikes and people who like to work on them.

So can we please let this drop and get back to reading about motorcycles?

 

[gben]

Calling people names, like hipsters, says everything about your intentions. You just came in to bully. The trash in your garage on top of that bike shows freezing temps is by far not the reason you don't ride. That bike hasn't been ridden in a long time.

The definition of hypocrite is one who participates in what they complain about. You and your peers do not like any critical discussion about yourself, your projects or "cafe racing", but the only thing you are able to do in response is exactly what you complain about, making ad-hominem attacks and making sets of rules as to what a cafe racer is or needs to be. You saying that someone needs to ride a motorcycle as often as you do is as hypocritical as it gets, and especially it is amazing that you can tell the condition of a motorcycle from hundreds or thousands of miles away from one photo, the usual nonsense response, and all you are apparently capable of.
I have been on British bikes since the early 1960s, my father's or mine, and I have ridden them hundreds of miles at 100mph, "the ton", and had a lot of fun going around every turn I could with them as fast as I could, all on public roads, scuffing up their exhausts etc.. I never considered myself a "cafe racer", I just enjoyed riding the bikes I grew up with as fast as I could, their history and knowing what makes them tick. If I nor my bikes are "cafe racers" then certainly no person who preaches safety and following the rules of the road is, and no bike put together for looks instead of performance is either. But looking at the actual history of the phrase "cafe racer", I and the bikes I have ridden, even though appearing very standard, are a lot closer to it than 99% of anyone on this forum, or anyone who has latched onto what is clearly a fashion trend, since the 1980s.

I don't care what members of this forum, or anyone for that matter think of myself or my bikes or history any more than a fruit-fly does. It is just fun for me to point out what I think about those participating in the fashionable and trendy with historical facts and watch them lose their minds. If you have a problem, go whine at history, because it is what you have a problem with, you have a problem with it because you have rewrote it into something to suit and feed your egos and shallow empty selves. Thank-you for confirming everything I have ever had to say about you. Bye bye......

 

[teazer]

Ignoring the fact that he's a self important twat, he missed the fact that Cafe Racers have always been a fashion trend. When I started back in the sixties, we wanted our bikes to look a certain way - in other words, we were following a fashion.

For history buffs, I might suggest Cafe Racers of the 1960s by Mick Walker or CAFE RACERS, rockers, rock 'n'Roll and the coffee-bar cult, by Mike Clay published in 1988 by Osprey.

But now back to our regular programming, welcome back the owner of this thread, Mr Rat Ranger. Take it away dude.

 

[Tim]

You guys want to wank each other to death, take it to another thread. I don't care if you want to argue till the end of time but it doesn't need to be in the middle of someone else's build thread.

 

[gben]

You guys want to wank each other to death, take it to another thread. I don't care if you want to argue till the end of time but it doesn't need to be in the middle of someone else's build thread.

Right from the horses mouth. If you want to know why this forum is basically dead, and a hideous joke, this is the reason. In the tradition of fascism, there is no critical discussion allowed, thinking and information is policed in the most Orwellian manner. Look at the measures they take to protect their egos, because that is all they have. The "Norda" build, nor any other neo-cafe build, would ever take place without a forum where they can simultaneously have sunshine blown up their asses every day, while having mommy protect them from reality. This "administrator" not only participates in censorship, the biggest litmus test for fascism there is, he actually takes the trouble to create threads to isolate anything the children do not like from the playpen. So just as there is zero reason any sane or real human being would want to live in a fascist state, there is no sane or real reason any real human being would want to spend any time here after this revelation, so you can delete my membership, here, and even better, if you have the technical know-how ban my ip address from your server. So long you dumb fascist twat.

 

[Tim]

Right from the horses mouth. If you want to know why this forum is basically dead, and a hideous joke, this is the reason. In the tradition of fascism, there is no critical discussion allowed, thinking and information is policed in the most Orwellian manner. Look at the measures they take to protect their egos, because that is all they have. The "Norda" build, nor any other neo-cafe build, would ever take place without a forum where they can simultaneously have sunshine blown up their asses every day, while having mommy protect them from reality. This "administrator" not only participates in censorship, the biggest litmus test for fascism there is, he actually takes the trouble to create threads to isolate anything the children do not like from the playpen. So just as there is zero reason any sane or real human being would want to live in a fascist state, there is no sane or real reason any real human being would want to spend any time here after this revelation, so you can delete my membership, here, and even better, if you have the technical know-how ban my ip address from your server. So long you dumb fascist twat.

You'll note you're posting. Did anybody squash anybody's opportunity to continue a discussion? Nope.

Just suggesting you do it in another thread, given the discussion seemed to have nothing to do with the place you were having it.

Stay, leave - no worries.

 

[Luugo86]

Right from the horses mouth. If you want to know why this forum is basically dead, and a hideous joke, this is the reason. In the tradition of fascism, there is no critical discussion allowed, thinking and information is policed in the most Orwellian manner. Look at the measures they take to protect their egos, because that is all they have. The "Norda" build, nor any other neo-cafe build, would ever take place without a forum where they can simultaneously have sunshine blown up their asses every day, while having mommy protect them from reality. This "administrator" not only participates in censorship, the biggest litmus test for fascism there is, he actually takes the trouble to create threads to isolate anything the children do not like from the playpen. So just as there is zero reason any sane or real human being would want to live in a fascist state, there is no sane or real reason any real human being would want to spend any time here after this revelation, so you can delete my membership, here, and even better, if you have the technical know-how ban my ip address from your server. So long you dumb fascist twat.

All you do is run your mouth, run others down from a distance, and embarrass yourself. This is a vintage motorcycle forum not Congress. People are on here b/c we are all friends and we like sharing our hobby. In 13 years I have not seen a shred of negativity, toxicity, censorship, or general cvnt behavior on this forum until you started posting like 2 months ago.

 

[crazypj]

The real reason this forum isn't doing so great is majority of older members got pissed off by new site owners changing format so moved to a different site with a different name. I used to be here daily helping people with bikes I knew quite a bit about, now, maybe once a month (or more)

 

[Rat_ranger]

Right from the horses mouth. If you want to know why this forum is basically dead, and a hideous joke, this is the reason. In the tradition of fascism, there is no critical discussion allowed, thinking and information is policed in the most Orwellian manner. Look at the measures they take to protect their egos, because that is all they have. The "Norda" build, nor any other neo-cafe build, would ever take place without a forum where they can simultaneously have sunshine blown up their asses every day, while having mommy protect them from reality. This "administrator" not only participates in censorship, the biggest litmus test for fascism there is, he actually takes the trouble to create threads to isolate anything the children do not like from the playpen. So just as there is zero reason any sane or real human being would want to live in a fascist state, there is no sane or real reason any real human being would want to spend any time here after this revelation, so you can delete my membership, here, and even better, if you have the technical know-how ban my ip address from your server. So long you dumb fascist twat.

No one stopped you from posting. Your drivel simply got removed from my build thread where it didn't belong, to it's own thread. You've done nothing but have the standard angry boomer rant of "back in my day we supposedly did it this way!" Ok, cool, whatever, time has moved on. Just like bobbers and choppers the cafe racer fashion trend has changed.

The original trend died when the japanese destroyed the british bikes with better power, performance, reliability and pricing. Just like when bobbers turned into a fashion trend instead of guys building racebikes out of road bikes and war surplus. Or when choppers went from counter culture icon to mainstream.

Even with the surge in popularity it's rare to see a custom chopper, cafe racer or tracker on the road. It's even more rare to see an old british bike on the road. You no longer have the counter culture youth thrashing bikes to the limits in the UK, they're probably on a scooter working through the tiered licensing that got put in place by baby boomers. Can't speed, the cameras will catch you. Can't race when there is exponentially more traffic. Have to work twice as much to afford half what the boomers and older gen X could. Want a truck? They start for prices higher than houses did 40 years ago. Want a brand new bike? Most cost more than a brand new ford ranger did 20 years ago.

Really with the way things have been going since the 08 housing market crash it's only a matter of time before the next big recession kicks in, no matter who is in office. Starter homes for $200k+, cars and trucks average over $40k(if not more), bikes are getting to be $10k for anything other than a starter bike. Raising minimum wage will only speed up the crash at this point. And all through this angry boomers can only say "back in my day we ____________" in condescending ways.

 

[Tim]

The real reason this forum isn't doing so great is majority of older members got pissed off by new site owners changing format so moved to a different site with a different name. I used to be here daily helping people with bikes I knew quite a bit about, now, maybe once a month (or more)

New owners? Who are they? I don't remember getting paid anything. Not sure if you're maybe thinking about caferacer.net (I really don't care if you post their name or link - never had an issue with them).

They sold out to VerticalScope and like all VS sites, became a (bigger) pile of crap.