butterflymethane
Been Around the Block
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January 4, 5, 6, 2007 at The Toronto International Centre
January 4, 5, 6, 2007 at The Toronto International Centre
So who's going to the Toronto Motorcycle Show? Dec 7-9
- Thread starter Tim
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Scarcat
Guest
The rolling chassis doesn't sound like a bad idea. Actually, I tink it's a pretty good idea in that we can show off the amount of work we all put into building our bikes.
Ruckus, I think we should stick to vintage cafe bikes, at least for the first round of showing.
Does anyone have the contact info for the show?
Ruckus, I think we should stick to vintage cafe bikes, at least for the first round of showing.
Does anyone have the contact info for the show?
Right-shift Ronnie
New Member
Tintin said:
Well....I have a booth already (Vincent Owners Club) but if you need help getting a DTT booth let me know. I would be glad to arrange it with Bar Hodgson. It's free. You guys just have to decide if you want one and who is going to run it.
Cheers
Right-shift Ronnie
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Scarcat
Guest
Ruckus said:k cool
one question bares in mind though!...are you representing your group "Do The Ton" or are you representing "vintage" cafe bikes in general?...
I would think that we'd be representing "Do The Ton" which is primarily about vintage cafe racers. I mean ... if anyone wanted to see new school Ducati Cafe bikes, they can just go to the Ducati booth. Not to knock the New Ducati racers .. I mean they're stunning and I'd consider getting one if I already didn't have 5 bikes on the go.
Whatever it is that we show, should really represent the hours we all put into rebuilding and re-creating these bikes into masterpieces.
Scarcat said:
hmmm...Vintage yes!...BUT I disagree on your comment(Whatever it is that we show, should really represent the hours we all put into rebuilding and re-creating these bikes into masterpieces.) in relation to newer customize bikes! As far as I'm concerned if one was to customize any bike old or new it is still customizing PERIOD! Building a Masterpiece to your spec's maybe, but garbage to others!
You are just being very particular in what your trying to represent in that show. whatever that is? A Cafe Racer is a Cafe Racer OLD or NEW it is by definition to one's interpretation a CAFE RACER!
What Ducati booth are you talking about? Do they represent all customize Ducati Cafe racers? I think not! Did you ever consider asking what exactly I'm doing to that Ducati or simply you don't give a damm! Whatever your trying to convey to me does not make any sense other than you are being very particular! No worries, I am not by any means offended but what you said rather puzzled. The reason why I even offered my bike was because know one was offering any bike to show other than TinTin. I couldn't care less to be honest with you, I guess I was just trying to be helpful. Again don't take this as a knock on your comment. I am too much of a enthusiast in all genres of motorcycles to knock off any particular ride regardless what it is! If you enjoy rebuilding or customizing than it is the feeling of that self satisfaction regardless whether it is old or new because passion and feeling has no time. 1hr or 10000hr it doesn't matter if you get that satisfaction than that my friend is what really matters!
DrJ
Over 1,000 Posts
Ruckus said:
You don't seem to get the spirit of this site. We have nothing against your new Ducati, some of us also own modern bikes along with our vintage rides. Some of us are even secretly jealous you can afford such a beautiful machine. This site is about finding a junkyard special and nursing it back to life. Take a look at all the project threads. Virtually all of them start with basketcases and by the powers of determination, inspiration, imagination and perspiration those lumps of coal get polished into sparkling gems. Your efforts to customize your bike are no less than ours but there's a a big difference in working on a new bike and an old bike. You don't have to deal with seized bolts, stripped threads, gunk, frayed wires, botched repair jobs and so on. And that's what bonds us vintage bike wrenchers, the shared experience of gouged knuckles and lots of lost skin. I'm sure your offer to show your bike was appreciated.
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Scarcat
Guest
I have to agree to DrJ's perspective. I first joined this site in April, but didn't have a fully functional cafe bike until September, and that was after 700 hours of time on my bike, as well as a long list of scratches, bruises, scars and at least three serious burns on my right arm from learning how to set timing on a running BMW while scorching myself on red hot headers.
We all love cafe bikes, new or old. The spirit of the people I've met from this site is that of people dedicated to owning, wrenching and riding their cafe bikes, who like myself, took a junk heap and turned it into something special, unique to the builders, and in the end something masterful.
If you look at the different threads on the boards, not all of us are full time wrenchers. On the contrary ... most of us have day jobs, and Cafe Bikes are our passion. We all have taught ourselves and each other the different skills that are needed to rebuild, restore and re-create these bike.
I do have a high respect for all bikes and bikers, but I have a special place for those who like I who have literally bled for their art.
Thus, for this show, the spirit we should show should be a tribute to bikes that started as non-running or badly running, vintage, forgotten, abused and left for trash bikes, and are not only revived, but given a new breath which, arguably, is stronger then the day they were made.
We all love cafe bikes, new or old. The spirit of the people I've met from this site is that of people dedicated to owning, wrenching and riding their cafe bikes, who like myself, took a junk heap and turned it into something special, unique to the builders, and in the end something masterful.
If you look at the different threads on the boards, not all of us are full time wrenchers. On the contrary ... most of us have day jobs, and Cafe Bikes are our passion. We all have taught ourselves and each other the different skills that are needed to rebuild, restore and re-create these bike.
I do have a high respect for all bikes and bikers, but I have a special place for those who like I who have literally bled for their art.
Thus, for this show, the spirit we should show should be a tribute to bikes that started as non-running or badly running, vintage, forgotten, abused and left for trash bikes, and are not only revived, but given a new breath which, arguably, is stronger then the day they were made.
TonUpSoldier
bad assed, super fast and fully gassed
Not to mention the hours and hours spent HUNTING for the damn parts, let alone getting to wrench them...lol
The wonderful thing about opinions are everybody's got one, and they're all different.
If we're going to have a DO THE TON booth representing the www.dotheton.com membership, then so far as I'm concerned, any and all members are more than welcome to show their bikes, regardless of make model year or condition.
50 years ago when Triumphs and Nortons etc. were being hacked up, lowered, blended together etc. and raced around the Ace Cafe they were relatively new. They weren't all 30 year old 1920's junkers resurrected, like the 1970's bikes some of us today play around with.
The beauty of the bikes we ride is in the lineage and history. That didn't end 30 years ago, and it won't end 30 years from now.
We would need to establish just how much space would be available for showing bikes and what the conditions of bringing bikes in are (I presume for example full gas tanks are not welcome). If there are more bikes available for display than the space can accomodate, we can get into some sort of selection criteria.
If we're going to have a DO THE TON booth representing the www.dotheton.com membership, then so far as I'm concerned, any and all members are more than welcome to show their bikes, regardless of make model year or condition.
50 years ago when Triumphs and Nortons etc. were being hacked up, lowered, blended together etc. and raced around the Ace Cafe they were relatively new. They weren't all 30 year old 1920's junkers resurrected, like the 1970's bikes some of us today play around with.
The beauty of the bikes we ride is in the lineage and history. That didn't end 30 years ago, and it won't end 30 years from now.
We would need to establish just how much space would be available for showing bikes and what the conditions of bringing bikes in are (I presume for example full gas tanks are not welcome). If there are more bikes available for display than the space can accomodate, we can get into some sort of selection criteria.
fugue
Been Around the Block
Thanks for saying that Tintin... I have to put in that as much as I actually agree with Scarcat's and DrJ's opinion on this, at the same time, this fairly close-knit group of people that we have here are a very diverse and yet non-exclusionary bunch. And in that spirit, it would be a shame to start being exclusive. The core of this group and it's impetus is certainly the vintage/cafe bikes of old, and I think that the bulk of us will stay with that as it is what we seem to be about, but if we were excluding folks based on their rides, the variety and experience and personality of this group would suffer for it.
Going back to the subject of the January show, I would not mind having my ride there either (as another modern interpretation of a retro theme), but it is nowhere near ready to be a display queen, and I'm too lazy to clean it.
If we do decide to do the show this year, I'm willing to help get stuff there if I can, but it occurs to me that what with the Christmas season being upon us, we may not have enough time to do this justice.
Going back to the subject of the January show, I would not mind having my ride there either (as another modern interpretation of a retro theme), but it is nowhere near ready to be a display queen, and I'm too lazy to clean it.
If we do decide to do the show this year, I'm willing to help get stuff there if I can, but it occurs to me that what with the Christmas season being upon us, we may not have enough time to do this justice.
locOleoN
Is that the best you got? OK.. now my TURN...
OK.. I guess its my turn to make a comment!!.. LOL!!!...
First of all, I have thank Scarcat for jumping in and taking on this project, at the last min. God knows all tiny bullshit logistics that he's gonna have to contend with to try to get something like this off the ground!!.. LOL!!...at the end of the day, if he's able to pull this off, its gonna make all of us look good!!...However, at the same time if Scarcat determines that it would be best to properly plans and execute for next year or the March Show, I'd support that decision as well. I agree that it would be better to hold back, properly plan and put out a good showing than just putting up something just for the sake of showing up...
Second, I agree with Dr.J, Scarcat & Tin... The spirit of this site is, in part, all about the comradreship of wrenching old bikes from basket-cases to cafe racers...and the blood and grief associated with all of us helping each other out!!
That being said, I more agree more strongly Fugue's position that this our group is a very close-knit gang with very diverse interests of cafe-racer styles: be it rattle can vs orginal paint, be it 4 banger vs a twin, be it Honda v. BMW, or even be it a 1972 v. 2002 .
The fact is, the same spirit and underlying philosophy of: Wrenchers & Racers & Brotherhood, transends the type of Cafe Racer that it is... This defines us over all other sites out there.... Our membership proves it!!..And we are not gonna take on an "Exclusive" mentality... If we started down this exclusive route back 4 years ago when DrJ, DJLing and I first got, we would have been a Honda cb350 club with only 10 members... ;D
So considering this, I think that we should have any bike that our members want to display... So long as certain criteria apply:
1. Cafe Racer style, be it a 1968 or a 2008
2. Its is either a project in progress or an insured & on the street
3. Evidence of hours of wrenching is listed on descripton of the bike
4. etc..etc... (you guys figure it out ;D)
We can have 2 categories or classes of display at the booth that can be managed by 2 different people under Scarcat:
1. Do The Ton Vintage Cafe racers class (1968-1978 or what ever)
2. Do The Ton Modern Cafe racers class
The only thing that I'd like to see is that in all cases the bikes must be on the street... not trailer queen show pieces or track bikes... our bikes are about racing around the city on Monday and Thursday nights!!.. LOL!!..
I think this question of what bikes, whom, etc...etc.. goes beyond this show. I think it questions the underlying philosophy/principles of our site which I think will be a continuing area of debate. However at the end of the day, we are all bout the wrenching, racing and brotherhood of the regular normal guy, (and gal) who love Cafe Racers....The bikes that we show at the show should reflect that!!...
First of all, I have thank Scarcat for jumping in and taking on this project, at the last min. God knows all tiny bullshit logistics that he's gonna have to contend with to try to get something like this off the ground!!.. LOL!!...at the end of the day, if he's able to pull this off, its gonna make all of us look good!!...However, at the same time if Scarcat determines that it would be best to properly plans and execute for next year or the March Show, I'd support that decision as well. I agree that it would be better to hold back, properly plan and put out a good showing than just putting up something just for the sake of showing up...
Second, I agree with Dr.J, Scarcat & Tin... The spirit of this site is, in part, all about the comradreship of wrenching old bikes from basket-cases to cafe racers...and the blood and grief associated with all of us helping each other out!!
That being said, I more agree more strongly Fugue's position that this our group is a very close-knit gang with very diverse interests of cafe-racer styles: be it rattle can vs orginal paint, be it 4 banger vs a twin, be it Honda v. BMW, or even be it a 1972 v. 2002 .
The fact is, the same spirit and underlying philosophy of: Wrenchers & Racers & Brotherhood, transends the type of Cafe Racer that it is... This defines us over all other sites out there.... Our membership proves it!!..And we are not gonna take on an "Exclusive" mentality... If we started down this exclusive route back 4 years ago when DrJ, DJLing and I first got, we would have been a Honda cb350 club with only 10 members... ;D
So considering this, I think that we should have any bike that our members want to display... So long as certain criteria apply:
1. Cafe Racer style, be it a 1968 or a 2008
2. Its is either a project in progress or an insured & on the street
3. Evidence of hours of wrenching is listed on descripton of the bike
4. etc..etc... (you guys figure it out ;D)
We can have 2 categories or classes of display at the booth that can be managed by 2 different people under Scarcat:
1. Do The Ton Vintage Cafe racers class (1968-1978 or what ever)
2. Do The Ton Modern Cafe racers class
The only thing that I'd like to see is that in all cases the bikes must be on the street... not trailer queen show pieces or track bikes... our bikes are about racing around the city on Monday and Thursday nights!!.. LOL!!..
I think this question of what bikes, whom, etc...etc.. goes beyond this show. I think it questions the underlying philosophy/principles of our site which I think will be a continuing area of debate. However at the end of the day, we are all bout the wrenching, racing and brotherhood of the regular normal guy, (and gal) who love Cafe Racers....The bikes that we show at the show should reflect that!!...
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bluemetaldog
Guest
a couple of thoughts..
one is we're very close to the show date itself. two...how much booth space are we realisitically going to get (ie, we're not going to have the same real estate as cvmg or vrra)? we're not going to be able to have everyone's bikes on display. judging from past shows..maybe 3 at most. i think the idea of having a bike in progress is the best. if someone comes around and wants to know how our display is different from anyone elses...what will distinguish us?! remember....those of us who rode en masse this past summer...the reactions came from seeing a specific style of bike. rattle can black with a 59 sticker got the chica's going..and that is a good way to introduce ourselves to the community via a show.
that's not to say that in future we can't have all different styles of cafe racer in our awesome massive display that will rival the cvmg's
my suggestion..is actually to wait and get it better organized.
one is we're very close to the show date itself. two...how much booth space are we realisitically going to get (ie, we're not going to have the same real estate as cvmg or vrra)? we're not going to be able to have everyone's bikes on display. judging from past shows..maybe 3 at most. i think the idea of having a bike in progress is the best. if someone comes around and wants to know how our display is different from anyone elses...what will distinguish us?! remember....those of us who rode en masse this past summer...the reactions came from seeing a specific style of bike. rattle can black with a 59 sticker got the chica's going..and that is a good way to introduce ourselves to the community via a show.
that's not to say that in future we can't have all different styles of cafe racer in our awesome massive display that will rival the cvmg's
my suggestion..is actually to wait and get it better organized.
Dr J and scarcat you have know idea what I'm talking about do you? My comment was not intended for you to read it out of context. I have no intention to cause any misleading ideologies here. How did my ducati become the focul point of this discussion. I offered my ride, I was denied due to certain interest of a governing body here. I obliged to the request and respected it. I question his integrity and I get misunderstood and it gets blown out of proportion! Thank you tintin,fugue and loco for that clarity! Thank you for not misunderstanding me and question where my spirit belongs it is obvious that I appreciate Cafe Racers old or new.
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Scarcat
Guest
Ruckus ... blow it out your ear. You're a pain in the ass by my senses. have a nice day. Discussion done. I'm not responding to this thread anymore. I'm going to go and wrench.
Ease
83 XJ650RK, 77 TS-250
Had to happen sometime...
Noel is right.
My opinion:
It's not about how much time, blood, money, whatever... that's bragging rights.
Just show the bikes that you can get there...
If Scarcat is setting it up he should get some choice for what's gonna be there.
Otherwise just make sure all of the moderator's sign off on it because it's their name "DOTHETON.com" that is going to be out there.
And I think you guys should wait till next time, this is clearly causing stress.
Noel is right.
My opinion:
It's not about how much time, blood, money, whatever... that's bragging rights.
Just show the bikes that you can get there...
If Scarcat is setting it up he should get some choice for what's gonna be there.
Otherwise just make sure all of the moderator's sign off on it because it's their name "DOTHETON.com" that is going to be out there.
And I think you guys should wait till next time, this is clearly causing stress.
