Texas Two Step Taco

Reluctor is mounted. After turning down the rotor and removing the magnets, chucked it up in the lathe and dialed in the inside circumference and then removed the cam off of the outside of the shaft that opened the points. Then cut a key way into the reluctor big enough to put a light tach to hold it on. Then chucked it up in the lathe and put a dial indicator on it again and dialed everything in, including the reluctor. Then lightly
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tacked the reluctor onto the back of the rotor shaft in three places. If this works we salvaged a worthless FEMSA electronic ignition rotor and updated it to use the Zeeltronic ignition.


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Does anybody know the max degrees for a pie segment I am using -12 and plus 12
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The max degrees for pie cuts on an expansion chamber is 15 degrees or 7.5 on each side.


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And that's because flow test have shown that up to 15 degree change in direction, the gas will continue to flow. ABove 15 degrees, it starts to break away from the short turn radius causing a flow restriction and unwanted pressure changes.

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Here is an interesting tidbit the threaded side of the crank is 1/2”-20 thread pitch. I am going to use the bolt threaded into the welded nut for a remote starter for the bultaco. This allows me to use any 1/2”-20 bolt as a replacement and I will use the bolt to center the sleeve and oil seal to weld up. I can also lengthen it easily when we go to a lockup clutch and add a spacer. It is just evolving...
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Have the angles worked out. Now to make the patterns and build a chamber. My wife wouldn’t let me use her card stock...FYI


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Hi Texasstar, I stumbled over this thread today and read the whole thing in one sitting, it's a great story. I'm the "man down under" you mentioned early in the thread, currently running a 350 Metralla GT in APS-F at Lake Gairdner (our Bonneville). It currently holds the Australian class record at 127.6MPH and last year ran an unofficial 155mph before seizing due to a stupid, stupid oversight on my part. This years event was postponed due to the virus but that's OK, it just means more dyno time and hopefully a few more HP before the next run.
Anyhow I really enjoy your project and have some suggestions if you don't mind too much - I've already made about a million mistakes and barked up countless wrong trees so perhaps I might be able to help you to avoid doing the same. Anyway good luck and stay safe!
If you're interested I can post a few more pics.
 
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Hi Texasstar, I stumbled over this thread today and read the whole thing in one sitting, it's a great story. I'm the "man down under" you mentioned early in the thread, currently running a 350 Metralla GT in APS-F at Lake Gairdner (our Bonneville). It currently holds the Australian class record at 127.6MPH and last year ran an unofficial 155mph before seizing due to a stupid, stupid oversight on my part. This years event was postponed due to the virus but that's OK, it just means more dyno time and hopefully a few more HP before the next run.
Anyhow I really enjoy your project and have some suggestions if you don't mind too much - I've already made about a million mistakes and barked up countless wrong trees so perhaps I might be able to help you to avoid doing the same. Anyway good luck and stay safe!
If you're interested I can post a few more pics.

Good day mate!!!!! Please do! I am so excited that you stumbled on this thread! We want to hear the whole story!


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Good day mate!!!!! Please do! I am so excited that you stumbled on this thread! We want to hear the whole story!


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I'll post some pics and words on my Bul later. For now though a few comments:

Cast high silicon pistons like the Mahles are great - they're strong, have a lower expansion rate than forged pistons and they wear very well. But on the other hand they are very heavy compared to a forged Wossner or Wiseco, and for an 80mm bore single running at 10k or so this is a big factor. For this reason I only run forged pistons - Wisecos in the air-cooled engine, Wossners in the water cooled one.

Forged pistons are tough, being made from a malleable, forgeable material. They can be made very thin which makes them so light and somewhat flexible. But they have downsides - they have a higher rate of expansion and they are very very prone to seizure during the first couple of hours of use. They tend to shrink quite a lot initially, and continue to shrink throughout their life if they're used hard. It isn't wear, the skirts are literally knocked into shape during the run-in process. You need to keep an eye on the sizing if the engine is continually run hard either on the dyno or the track; you can easily end up with massive piston-to-wall clearance even though there's no visible wear. You'll notice both manufacturers now recommend clearances that would normally be considered quite tight for forged slugs, but they also stipulate lengthy break-in procedures. What really happens is that after the break-in procedures the clearance is "normalized."

The trick is in knocking them into shape without seizing. It isn't about heat cycles, it's more about subjecting it to enough rpms and load to get it to conform to the cylinder, very very briefly at first to avoid seizure and then getting progressively longer in duration. So you might give it full throttle for only a second or two at first, then give it a bit of time to cool before the next burst. Progressively increase the duration over an hour or so until you're running it for 10 seconds at a time at full throttle, at which time you could consider it good to go. Use a nice safe tune while you do this (the so-called Paris Hilton tune, rich and retarded) with plenty of oil before getting too serious about making power.

Of course you don't need to be so careful with cast pistons, but then they don't allow the revs that forged pistons do.

The other part of this story is oil. It's fashionable these days to run a synthetic, usually a straight ester. Unfortunately these oils are simply incapable of holding up in a high output two-stroke, especially an air cooled one. Esters are actually inferior to a good mineral oil in these applications. What you should be running is a castor-based oil; I run Shell M (20:1) but Elf HTX909 or Klotz Benol are also said to be acceptable. I semi-accidentally discovered castors advantages during dyno testing; not only does it make measurably more power it also makes measurably more compression pressure. I mentioned this to a kart-engine-designer aquaintance and he said, more or less, duh everybody knows that. He showed me some results of dyno tests he carried out on Aprilia engines that showed the same things as I found: castor made more power and compression pressure than the mineral oils tested, and at the bottom was the esters. Esters are fine in a streetbike or a moderately powered MX bike for example - and they do run wonderfully cleanly - but they just aren't up to a big-bore, hot running air cooled engine in a high state of tune. Castors run awfully dirty in anything that runs at part throttle for any length of time, but if the engine spends most of it's time at WOT and fully loaded it runs pretty cleanly.

I'll shut up before I wear out my welcome...
 
I'll post some pics and words on my Bul later. For now though a few comments:

Cast high silicon pistons like the Mahles are great - they're strong, have a lower expansion rate than forged pistons and they wear very well. But on the other hand they are very heavy compared to a forged Wossner or Wiseco, and for an 80mm bore single running at 10k or so this is a big factor. For this reason I only run forged pistons - Wisecos in the air-cooled engine, Wossners in the water cooled one.

Forged pistons are tough, being made from a malleable, forgeable material. They can be made very thin which makes them so light and somewhat flexible. But they have downsides - they have a higher rate of expansion and they are very very prone to seizure during the first couple of hours of use. They tend to shrink quite a lot initially, and continue to shrink throughout their life if they're used hard. It isn't wear, the skirts are literally knocked into shape during the run-in process. You need to keep an eye on the sizing if the engine is continually run hard either on the dyno or the track; you can easily end up with massive piston-to-wall clearance even though there's no visible wear. You'll notice both manufacturers now recommend clearances that would normally be considered quite tight for forged slugs, but they also stipulate lengthy break-in procedures. What really happens is that after the break-in procedures the clearance is "normalized."

The trick is in knocking them into shape without seizing. It isn't about heat cycles, it's more about subjecting it to enough rpms and load to get it to conform to the cylinder, very very briefly at first to avoid seizure and then getting progressively longer in duration. So you might give it full throttle for only a second or two at first, then give it a bit of time to cool before the next burst. Progressively increase the duration over an hour or so until you're running it for 10 seconds at a time at full throttle, at which time you could consider it good to go. Use a nice safe tune while you do this (the so-called Paris Hilton tune, rich and retarded) with plenty of oil before getting too serious about making power.

Of course you don't need to be so careful with cast pistons, but then they don't allow the revs that forged pistons do.

The other part of this story is oil. It's fashionable these days to run a synthetic, usually a straight ester. Unfortunately these oils are simply incapable of holding up in a high output two-stroke, especially an air cooled one. Esters are actually inferior to a good mineral oil in these applications. What you should be running is a castor-based oil; I run Shell M (20:1) but Elf HTX909 or Klotz Benol are also said to be acceptable. I semi-accidentally discovered castors advantages during dyno testing; not only does it make measurably more power it also makes measurably more compression pressure. I mentioned this to a kart-engine-designer aquaintance and he said, more or less, duh everybody knows that. He showed me some results of dyno tests he carried out on Aprilia engines that showed the same things as I found: castor made more power and compression pressure than the mineral oils tested, and at the bottom was the esters. Esters are fine in a streetbike or a moderately powered MX bike for example - and they do run wonderfully cleanly - but they just aren't up to a big-bore, hot running air cooled engine in a high state of tune. Castors run awfully dirty in anything that runs at part throttle for any length of time, but if the engine spends most of it's time at WOT and fully loaded it runs pretty cleanly.

I'll shut up before I wear out my welcome...

You are not going to wear out your welcome!!! When are you coming to bonneville? If not we have always wanted to visit down under! Teazer lived and raced there! You meet the nicest people on a Honda but the most interesting on a Bultaco!

Paris Hilton on Castors! Thank you so much and looks like the Shell M isn’t available in the states but the Klotz Benol is and need to find some Mahles because my drag bike friends consider their pistons disposable! Lol! Are you running programable electronic ignition?


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You are not going to wear out your welcome!!! When are you coming to bonneville? If not we have always wanted to visit down under! Teazer lived and raced there! You meet the nicest people on a Honda but the most interesting on a Bultaco!

Paris Hilton on Castors! Thank you so much and looks like the Shell M isn’t available in the states but the Klotz Benol is and need to find some Mahles because my drag bike friends consider their pistons disposable! Lol! Are you running programable electronic ignition?


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I have run and tested programmable ignitions but have reverted to fixed timing for a couple of reasons. First let me just say I think programmable ignitions are ideal for modern engines - their power valves, solenoid operated power jets and so on give a much wider power band than the old motors had, and in a lot of applications it's important to be able to run the engine efficiently at revs below the powerband. So for these applications a tailored timing curve is a very good thing.

But in applications like drags and LSR it's really irrelevant what happens below the powerband - you just need to make as much power as possible while on the pipe. And for an old style engine - fixed exhaust timing, no powervalve, piston port intake and so on - there's really nothing worthwhile under the powerband anyway. The only advantage to a curve here would be the ability to pull some advance out at the top end of the powerband to add some exhaust heat and extend the top end a bit. So I just set the timing to give the best torque at the desired rpms and forget it - and you can slide the entire curve up or down slightly simply by changing the timing. That's it.

I'd even go so far to say that a programmable can be a liability in a couple of ways. One is that they can be a distraction that wastes time without a real payoff - let's say Speed Week is coming up in a few weeks and you've got a million things to do. Does it really make sense to spend hours trying to find the ideal curve when there are more productive uses for your time? Especially when it isn't really going to affect the timeslip anyway?

The other trap I've seen more than once is with streetbikes. These spend a lot of time at part throttle and rpms below the powerband. The owners often find that adding advance to the midrange makes the response sharper and the bike runs cleaner and smoother at part throttle. So they add a little more and it's sharper again. The problem is this: unlike a four stroke, a two stroke will quite happily fry and/or seize a piston at moderate speeds and loads - you can stick a piston at 1/4 throttle if you're too lean or too advanced. Yes, a curve can help sharpen the response but you need to be very cautious if you're gonna avoid being yet another RD rider with a Zeel and a pair of holed pistons...
 
I have run and tested programmable ignitions but have reverted to fixed timing for a couple of reasons. First let me just say I think programmable ignitions are ideal for modern engines - their power valves, solenoid operated power jets and so on give a much wider power band than the old motors had, and in a lot of applications it's important to be able to run the engine efficiently at revs below the powerband. So for these applications a tailored timing curve is a very good thing.

But in applications like drags and LSR it's really irrelevant what happens below the powerband - you just need to make as much power as possible while on the pipe. And for an old style engine - fixed exhaust timing, no powervalve, piston port intake and so on - there's really nothing worthwhile under the powerband anyway. The only advantage to a curve here would be the ability to pull some advance out at the top end of the powerband to add some exhaust heat and extend the top end a bit. So I just set the timing to give the best torque at the desired rpms and forget it - and you can slide the entire curve up or down slightly simply by changing the timing. That's it.

I'd even go so far to say that a programmable can be a liability in a couple of ways. One is that they can be a distraction that wastes time without a real payoff - let's say Speed Week is coming up in a few weeks and you've got a million things to do. Does it really make sense to spend hours trying to find the ideal curve when there are more productive uses for your time? Especially when it isn't really going to affect the timeslip anyway?

The other trap I've seen more than once is with streetbikes. These spend a lot of time at part throttle and rpms below the powerband. The owners often find that adding advance to the midrange makes the response sharper and the bike runs cleaner and smoother at part throttle. So they add a little more and it's sharper again. The problem is this: unlike a four stroke, a two stroke will quite happily fry and/or seize a piston at moderate speeds and loads - you can stick a piston at 1/4 throttle if you're too lean or too advanced. Yes, a curve can help sharpen the response but you need to be very cautious if you're gonna avoid being yet another RD rider with a Zeel and a pair of holed pistons...

That makes a lot of sense to eliminate the variables. However, one of my good friends is Mr. Variable. LOL. I watched him make dyno runs at flat curves for 23, 21, 19, 17, 15 BTDC and what you said is the truth. I bet you have a dyno in your garage also...BTW just ordered the Klotz Benol. Thank you. Also going to get the candle for the house.


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No commentary just how I decided to build the expansion chamber with a little help from my friends. Using the demo program Pulse Rate Software Cone layout 2.0.5 software and Bryan Hobbs of Hobbs Race Craft mandrels. Didn’t use card stock just paper. 20 gauge cold rolled at 45 bucks a 4 by 8’ sheet. Using 1/16 tungsten and 1/16” rod and it is too big but it is all I have at the moment. Also used the disc grinder on the Jet for the first time and it is the way to go. You can get the shape up to the pattern marks without a problem and it is fantastic to mate the two pieces together.


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No commentary just how I decided to build the expansion chamber with a little help from my friends. Using the demo program Pulse Rate Software Cone layout 2.0.5 software and Bryan Hobbs of Hobbs Race Craft mandrels. Hobbs gave me the roller and I did a refresh on it. Didn’t use card stock just paper. 20 gauge cold rolled at 45 bucks a 4 by 8’ sheet. Using 1/16 tungsten and 1/16” rod and it is too big but it is all I have at the moment. Also used the disc grinder on the Jet for the first time and it is the way to go. You can get the shape up to the pattern marks without a problem and it is fantastic to mate the two pieces together. Another day in limbo...


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