Victoria! Zeke's CB175 Build

lsrcb175 said:
Here is a YouTube video that you will probably find pretty informative!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBZCnG1HwDM#t=1148

This is a link in Land Racing Forum that has a list of literature on engine performance that is pretty good.

http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=07d357e1bd76c1039bddc9f05a6fff97&topic=14175.msg256831;topicseen#msg256831
thank you lsrcb175!


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Ok you can't grind off the sides of the cam chain tensioner press fit flange very well. The flange goes inside as well. If you drill it out there is a bushing you need to use so be careful. We had to pry it off then knock the pin out of the bushing.

There is an oil hole that needs to line up with bushing oil hole. Should we secure it with red loctite? First pic is the pin that held the bushing
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Pulled the 200 cam chain tensioner to compare and noticed the big wheel on the tensioner is 2mm bigger in diameter. Would this be a benefit?


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you could use a bent ended piece of bailing wire to keep the holes lined up
it is just splash do they say holes facing down ?
 
xb33bsa said:
you could use a bent ended piece of bailing wire to keep the holes lined up
it is just splash do they say holes facing down ?
i found the instructions on eBay Honda CB160 Cappellini #154 replacement cam chain tensioner with high quality needle bearing, located in the cases at the cylinder base. Please note in the photo that the oil hole in the shaft must remain in the original position, and there is a machined depression in the hex of the nut to assist in locating the oil hole during assembly. Use Loctite on the nut at the end of the shaft, and you may also want to "peen" the connection at the threads with a punch, to prevent it from coming apart during use. One of many fine products race developed over the years in Como, Italy by Franco Cappellini and used by top Honda racers throughout the World. For additional technical information, please search Cappellini Moto Italia. Brand new part at the same price as from Franco, plus shipping, converted into (our lowly valued) US Dollars here. Price subject to change with exchange rates.


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lsrcb175 said:
Here is a YouTube video that you will probably find pretty informative!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBZCnG1HwDM#t=1148

This is a link in Land Racing Forum that has a list of literature on engine performance that is pretty good.

http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=07d357e1bd76c1039bddc9f05a6fff97&topic=14175.msg256831;topicseen#msg256831
wow! Very informative! 8 individual spark timings with a distributor that takes time! Loss, loss. Loss. 9% more fuel = 3% more hp. The event that made me start thinking that they were two individual engines is when we put the asymmetrical exhaust on Lucky and picked up more top speed doing it. Also after porting and cam timing there are two many "human" elements not too. One recently is the intake flow bench numbers.

Have you calculated how many HP we start with?

I need to find some one who can weld up a combustion chamber.


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Why can't the existing cam chain tensioner be fixed in place not to allow the cam chain to flap? Use a heavier spring? Correction the cb200 center smooth wheel is 3mm larger in diameter than the 175. Why?


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Also look at number 5. See the flat part that the lock bolt tightens to. If you reverse the direction of the cam no matter how tight you have the bolt the tensioner will give. Was wondering why this couldn't be pinned to keep the correct tension on the chain kinda like the manual tensioner bolts on the cbr ape products. Does the flappiness of the cam chain come from engine braking?


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xb33bsa said:
man you are overthinking it
why would the cam chain get flappy on engine braking ? ???
at that moment you drop the clutch it shut down the momentum of the chain and was wondering if the tensioner failed if the chain would flap because of that or is it flapping because of the rpm rise of the engine or is it because the tensioner flexes down beyond the bottom of number 5's anvil head?


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Why did Honda make the cam chain tensioner wheel larger but kept the tensioner the same size? They also improved so the wheel has less drag than the 175. It goes back to a teazer taught us initially ... rule number one is the eliminate the parasitic losses


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the standard design takes care of any of that
the camshaft is not a free spinning deal it is constantly causing pulsation in the chain but the tensioner is designed to handle the loads and to be adjustable for wear but feel free to try to redesign it , good luck with that
my only suggestion is keep it simple just do what the racers are doing and foget about it
 
xb33bsa said:
the standard design takes care of any of that
the camshaft is not a free spinning deal it is constantly causing pulsation in the chain but the tensioner is designed to handle the loads and to be adjustable for wear but feel free to try to redesign it , good luck with that
my only suggestion is keep it simple just do what the racers are doing and foget about it
yes if you stay at the standard Rpm redline.


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Teazer says it is a problem we need to solve. I know the answer but I want to know why and what is causing it. Yesterday I didn't know that they use two valve springs to cancel out the resonance problems. Thank you to LSRcb175 posting that video. We will watch it over and over! Yes we would stick a camera in there also to see what is going on and I would probably have stuck my finger into Jesus's wounds.


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