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Title: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 07, 2017, 15:47:25

  I've owned my share of different bikes over the years and although I've ridden a few supersports, I've never owned one.  For the last 15 years, I've been very happy with the ZRX as my comfortable hooligan daily and sport touring machine.  I also have my Shovelhead Harley chopper and for fun I'm building a cafe style KZ750 twin but I was still missing one.
 
  Early last year I ended up with an interesting 1994 YZF750R project.  It came as a disassembled project from the PO but it has a title and instead of the 750 motor, it came with a later model 1000cc Thunderace motor and a rack of FCR41 carbs.  The 1000 motor is only about 20mm taller than the 750 at the heads so with very little work the Ace motor bolts into the 750 chassis and this one is already modified for it.  Very cool.  (yes, a 750 motor still fits my chassis...nice option to have).  The PO didn't have much info on mileage or history on this particular Ace motor and the chassis needed misc parts and plenty of sorting so I stuck it in my shed and thought about it awhile.  A Yamaha Genesis EXUP 20 valved inline 4 supersport classic. 

  Timing is everything.  After lurking Craigslist long enough, a wrecked 97' YZF750R parts bike showed up and I pounced on it.  The frame on the neck is cracked and the forks are likely whacked but the bike went down with only 4129 miles on the speedo and lived in a shed since that day.  Other than forks, plastics and tank, it is basically complete and in good shape.  I bought the right service manuals and it's time to move forward.  For the curious, I'm just under 800$ including both bikes and the manuals. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 07, 2017, 15:49:27
Good titled chassis on the left, parts bike on the right.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 07, 2017, 15:52:40
Ace motor and FCR41's  (carbs might be a little big, we'll see.)
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 07, 2017, 15:56:04
I'm starting to go through the chassis and make notes on needs vs wants. 
For instance, the 97' will have a better rear shock so I'll need to swap that out.

Really happy I now have two full electrical harnesses to pick from, the original is in pretty good shape, doesn't seem to be molested.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 07, 2017, 15:57:58
These have a super simple bolt on subframe, no need to modify anything. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Mar 07, 2017, 16:01:39
I'm in, sir.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Mar 07, 2017, 16:03:29
Should be awesome. Do you see any large obstacles in front of you with this one?

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 07, 2017, 16:05:48
Should be awesome. Do you see any large obstacles in front of you with this one?


Glad to have you and Jussy onboard!    BTW, I'm the only large obstacle getting in the way....
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: VonYinzer on Mar 07, 2017, 16:16:08
Word
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Maritime on Mar 07, 2017, 16:16:34
Ha, nice, sign me up.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 07, 2017, 16:49:03
Two more, you guys are quick, welcome aboard.  So...I'm thinking I should try and fire up the 750 parts bike just to see what I get before I tear into it.  I'll need to do a quick clean on the carbs and a bypass of the ignition switch but otherwise it looks like it's all there.  I'd like to know if the low mile 750 motor is good to go just in case..   
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: JSJamboree on Mar 07, 2017, 17:00:50
Im in for this, im sure it'll be a long build but Im excited to see it come together.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 07, 2017, 17:14:19
Im in for this, im sure it'll be a long build but Im excited to see it come together.


Right on!.  Your builds are excellent, glad to have plenty of experienced heads with me on this.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: RicerwannaB on Mar 07, 2017, 18:17:52
Looking forward to watching this progress.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: teazer on Mar 07, 2017, 18:39:15
That's a killer deal you got there and piles of spares.  41s a are just a touch on the large side for a 1000 and huge on a 750, so that means big bore kit is needed and hot cams and....     oops.  There I go again.  And I told my therapist I had that under control.  Ah well.

Stock carbs are 38mm CV (I think) which is about the same as a 34 slide carb.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: hillsy on Mar 07, 2017, 18:57:12
From memory the Thunderace had the same frame as the 750 (they slightly modified it at the rear), so the engine swap is fairly easy.


If those tanks have fuel in them and they have been sitting then the fuel pumps are probably stuffed (they sit in the bottom of the tanks). You can easily adapt an external low pressure pump though.


Nice score - my brother in law still has his 750 after many years and he still loves it  8)
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: advCo on Mar 07, 2017, 19:39:56
Awesome. Sign me up for this one.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 07, 2017, 20:27:29
That's a killer deal you got there and piles of spares.  41s a are just a touch on the large side for a 1000 and huge on a 750, so that means big bore kit is needed and hot cams and....     oops.  There I go again.  And I told my therapist I had that under control.  Ah well.
Stock carbs are 38mm CV (I think) which is about the same as a 34 slide carb.


That's what I was thinking, big.  I don't know if anyone's been inside the 1000 motor but reasonably certain the 750 hasn't been modified.  Also why I should try and start the parts bike motor first.  The FCR's are a little crusty but will clean up really well.  No airbox or stacks for them either. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: irk miller on Mar 07, 2017, 20:30:21
All these guys show and no beer.  You'd think Von would know better. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 07, 2017, 20:31:31
From memory the Thunderace had the same frame as the 750 (they slightly modified it at the rear), so the engine swap is fairly easy.
If those tanks have fuel in them and they have been sitting then the fuel pumps are probably stuffed (they sit in the bottom of the tanks). You can easily adapt an external low pressure pump though.
Nice score - my brother in law still has his 750 after many years and he still loves it  8)


Thanks Hillsy.



Yes, both tanks I have are crap inside and missing the pump and lower covers.  I think the black tank (relatively undamaged) should clean up.  I was starting to read about the fuel pump options too.  I'll need to figure that out. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 07, 2017, 20:34:42
All these guys show and no beer.  You'd think Von would know better.


They told me you were bringing it. 
[edit] I keep extra around.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: hillsy on Mar 07, 2017, 20:35:37

 I was starting to read about the fuel pump options too.  I'll need to figure that out.


Any low pressure fuel pump (IE: for carbs) will work. FJ1200, CBR600f, ZX6/9, etc. You can get copies off eBay for $30 or so. Hardest part will be finding somewhere to mount it as the YZF is pretty compact all round and there's not a lot of spare room to mount stuff.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: irk miller on Mar 07, 2017, 20:37:20
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JKjKrjiNEfU/UwogkZF_vkI/AAAAAAAAfg4/Zaww5kwYexM/s1600/BoyzNTHood_099Pyxurz.jpg)
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 07, 2017, 21:21:36
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JKjKrjiNEfU/UwogkZF_vkI/AAAAAAAAfg4/Zaww5kwYexM/s1600/BoyzNTHood_099Pyxurz.jpg)




And it's on "ice".   
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: teazer on Mar 07, 2017, 22:23:25
FZR400 has the pump bolted to the bottom of the tank just above the crankcase.  You may be able to do something similar.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 08, 2017, 00:36:00
I pulled the better of the two tanks and it's still ugly but I will make it work.  At least it has a giant hole in the bottom to clean it out after that stock pump is out.  Still need to do more homework on that setup.  The whole thing needs to be stripped to bare metal.  I already have a new gas cap and ignition switch on it's way. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: doc_rot on Mar 08, 2017, 03:19:56
cool. what are your plans for it? vintage endurance?
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 08, 2017, 11:59:01
cool. what are your plans for it? vintage endurance?



Thanks Doc. 
It'll be a rider.  Maybe track days at some point.  Airtech has nice plastic for it.  I was thinking reversed Kenny Roberts themed paint.  Black with King Kenny yellow highlights.  I have it in my head but I'm no artist. 
Basic resto with a few simple proven mods here and there.  I'm hoping that Ace motor is good, if it needs surgery, this bike will probably be a 750 for awhile.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 08, 2017, 12:29:37
FZR400 has the pump bolted to the bottom of the tank just above the crankcase.  You may be able to do something similar.


I ordered one like this, looks like it will do the job. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 08, 2017, 13:12:12
A very handy site:

http://www.peterdayyamaha.com/yzf750.htm (http://www.peterdayyamaha.com/yzf750.htm)


Great history stuff here:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2016/june/mcn-plus---ow-my-word-ps/
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Mar 08, 2017, 13:31:28
I'm in for this one
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Hurco550 on Mar 08, 2017, 15:27:52
late to the party, I mean heck, little Charlie beat me here... but im watching anyways
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 08, 2017, 15:51:46
late to the party, I mean heck, little Charlie beat me here... but im watching anyways


I know it's edge of your seat excitement .....but don't forget you have a VF to finish up.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: irk miller on Mar 08, 2017, 16:03:46
Is Charlie RicerwannaB?  HAHAHA
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 08, 2017, 16:05:49
Is Charlie RicerwannaB?  HAHAHA


That's what I was wondering too!
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Hurco550 on Mar 08, 2017, 16:26:20

That's what I was wondering too!

yep he is.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 10, 2017, 13:23:02
I found these pics of a really trick race style airbox.  Might have to try and come up with something similar.  At least it has me thinking about it.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: furu14 on Mar 10, 2017, 13:47:05
I have done it like this:(FZR1000)fcr41 needs 7000+rpm to run wot.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s169/furu14/webbilder%202016/9AC3B8E1-15A8-49BF-A025-B8C1465268DB_zpswkvkratw.jpg)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s169/furu14/webbilder%202016/2A6D019D-5314-4370-AD26-C214A42CDC6A_zpsvkojgddx.jpg)
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 11, 2017, 01:32:31
That's a killer deal you got there and piles of spares.  41s a are just a touch on the large side for a 1000 and huge on a 750, so that means big bore kit is needed and hot cams and....     oops.  There I go again.  And I told my therapist I had that under control.  Ah well.


Thanks Teazer.  Let it all out.  I do wonder if the Ace motor has been massaged.  Any history working with these motors?
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 11, 2017, 01:34:56
I have done it like this:(FZR1000)fcr41 needs 7000+rpm to run wot.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s169/furu14/webbilder%202016/9AC3B8E1-15A8-49BF-A025-B8C1465268DB_zpswkvkratw.jpg)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s169/furu14/webbilder%202016/2A6D019D-5314-4370-AD26-C214A42CDC6A_zpsvkojgddx.jpg)






Neat setup.
Did you stick with the FCR41 setup or drop to a 39?  Interested to hear any thoughts you have on this.  Many thanks!
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: furu14 on Mar 11, 2017, 07:23:25
Using the 41, just do a "roll-on throttle".
with no ekshaust throttlevalve the thunderace engine is a little "lumpy" in the midrange anyway.. :P
but importent to isolate the intake air from heat of engine and radiator.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 11, 2017, 22:49:19
Using the 41, just do a "roll-on throttle".
with no ekshaust throttlevalve the thunderace engine is a little "lumpy" in the midrange anyway.. :P
but importent to isolate the intake air from heat of engine and radiator.


That's good to know about isolating the heat.  The stock setup used a rubber sheet with heavy aluminum backing to keep the heat off the carbs and airbox. 
It was in pretty bad shape so I'm going to have to find a suitable replacement.




Just because it's cool, look down into the intakes at three valves:

Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 12, 2017, 00:22:41
I hooked it up to the battery in my truck but it still didn't want to turn over well.  So, I pulled the plugs and the engine turns over fine.  Plugs back in, turns over like it should.


The stock 750 carbs are a bit crusty. 


Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: MickyC on Mar 14, 2017, 14:47:41
Epic purchase. Following this one


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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 16, 2017, 16:03:58
So it appears the PO did open these carbs at one point because....they lost one of the float needles.    I went to the Yamaha dealer just to check and I can get one in a week for 28$, they only sell them as a needle/seat set.  The seats on mine are in good shape.  I'm going to see what other carbs I can cannibalize for a damn needle.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 17, 2017, 14:17:01
I didn't have any compatible needles that would work so I now have 4 new Yamaha needle/seat sets on the way.  I was halfway considering splurging on a set of FCR39's but that's just fantasizing for now.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 25, 2017, 00:48:54
There is no such thing as a quick carb clean. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Mar 25, 2017, 11:11:20
Funny how $5 needles can add up when you're sorting things out.

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 30, 2017, 00:14:41
Funny how $5 needles can add up when you're sorting things out.

I chuckled pretty hard at least twice reading this in the last few days before I got off my ass and cleaned my bike:

I realized I have non stock goodies:
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Maritime on Mar 30, 2017, 08:39:11
bonus
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: irk miller on Mar 30, 2017, 09:14:37
NICE!  Good stuff right there.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 30, 2017, 13:35:31
It was so covered in oily dirt down there, I couldn't even tell until I cleaned it.  Some of the anodizing has worn down but the aftermarket shock links look like they are in great shape I just need to do a little homework on them.  I'm going to leave the stock shock in it and just clean, lube and adjust everything back there. 

Post cleaning list of stuff to do next:
- Pull rear wheel, clean, inspect, etc and paint
- Order SS brake line kit
- clean, inspect, rebuild, etc rear caliper from parts bike and install on the titled bike
- clean, inspect, rebuild ,etc front clutch and brake master cylinders and front brakes  Same for the rear sets.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: irk miller on Mar 30, 2017, 18:06:31
Is the DG swinger stock, or is that an aftermarket rig?
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 30, 2017, 19:00:51
Is the DG swinger stock, or is that an aftermarket rig?

Good question.  I don't see the DG mark on stock bikes but the swingarms are otherwise visually identical.   I'm still digging for history and other fun info on these bikes.  My chassis also has a spot on the frame for a steering stabilizer that the newer bike does not.

Todays mail brought more fuel line, needles and seats and a petcock rebuild kit.  I usually don't like even screwing around with vacuum petcocks but this mounts to the bottom of the tank.  I'll give the repair a shot.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Drewski on Mar 30, 2017, 22:52:26
Hey... so this is where all the cool kidz are hanging out!  :D  It took me a while to find you!   ;)



There's something 'extra special' about a full litre sportbike.  8)  Love the direction you're headed... I wonder where you'll end up?  ;D

Excited to follow along.  :D
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 09, 2017, 23:24:14
Hey... so this is where all the cool kidz are hanging out!  :D  It took me a while to find you!   ;)
There's something 'extra special' about a full litre sportbike.  8)  Love the direction you're headed... I wonder where you'll end up?  ;D
Excited to follow along.  :D

Glad to have you onboard Drewski.  This build should stay on track, I guess time will tell.  I hope it does.

Today I got the 1000 motor cleaned up. It cleaned up well, no paint necessary.  I also pulled the wheels to prep them for paint.  I need to get a chain and sprocket set ordered soon. 

I really should get back to the 750 carbs and try to get it started.   
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Drewski on Apr 10, 2017, 20:55:11
Some good bits you have to work with there.  :D

Any decisions on what way you'd prefer to go with your engine, etc?  :)
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 10, 2017, 22:50:03
Some good bits you have to work with there.  :D
Any decisions on what way you'd prefer to go with your engine, etc?  :)

I like questions.  I got my hands on an earlier FZR for a few hours one day years ago while I was stationed in San Diego but I've never ridden a Yamaha like one of these Yzf's.  So.
I'd like to know what the 750 motor feel like on the road so part of me just wants to get it running and swap it into my good chassis and ride it awhile.  The winner though will probably be putting the 1000 Ace in first and roll the dice.  Either way it would be nice to compare the two.

For the Ace motor:  The motor mount mods need a little work.  The mod plates for the conversion are a bit rough and could use a do-over if I ocd it.  I'll likely source a few more engine mount bits and mount it in the good chassis.  This while I deal with 750 parts bike and ordering stuff as I can.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 13, 2017, 13:55:05
I have a set of Dunlops and a 530 chain/sprocket set on the way.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Apr 13, 2017, 20:22:37
Which dunlops? Just curious and you said that you like questions.

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 13, 2017, 21:06:14
Which dunlops? Just curious and you said that you like questions.

Yessir.  Dunlop Sportmax GPR300's.  Hell of a deal shipped from Revzilla.  I need find a new tire swapper guy. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Apr 13, 2017, 21:55:11
I like Revzilla. I dont like changing tires. I put the ones on my DS7 easy peasy in the summertime. Fought for an hour with the ones on the Daytona in the 35 degree cold.

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Hurco550 on Apr 13, 2017, 23:22:57
I like Revzilla. I dont like changing tires. I put the ones on my DS7 easy peasy in the summertime. Fought for an hour with the ones on the Daytona in the 35 degree cold.

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 19, 2017, 01:09:43
You know all right dudes.

Tires came in.  Nice Dunlops  GPR300's

Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 19, 2017, 16:55:55
Starting in on these finally tonight.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Hurco550 on Apr 19, 2017, 17:11:39
Cupcake tin is genius!

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 19, 2017, 17:27:42
Cupcake tin is genius!

Heck, I thought everybody did it this way......   I'm also waiting to hear back on an offer I made for an ultrasonic cleaner, 10L size. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Hurco550 on Apr 19, 2017, 17:30:19
Heck, I thought everybody did it this way......   I'm also waiting to hear back on an offer I made for an ultrasonic cleaner, 10L size.
Ha, could be. I'm way behind the times.

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 19, 2017, 17:37:34
Correction, the 10L ultrasonic cleaner is on it's way.   I've been wanting one for quite awhile.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Hurco550 on Apr 19, 2017, 18:42:05
Correction, the 10L ultrasonic cleaner is on it's way.   I've been wanting one for quite awhile.

that will probably work better than my "large capacity" setup lol

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160921/b95b6a4f882d82619c4f1dbcc01f33c2.jpg)
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: teazer on Apr 19, 2017, 19:17:31
I see you have an Ichiban Moto cleaner.  Cool.  I need to find a good supply of race spec green zip ties....
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Hurco550 on Apr 19, 2017, 19:18:43
I see you have an Ichiban Moto cleaner.  Cool.  I need to find a good supply of race spec green zip ties....

I was gonna use green gorilla tape, but black is all I had around at that point....
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: irk miller on Apr 19, 2017, 19:34:52
that will probably work better than my "large capacity" setup lol

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160921/b95b6a4f882d82619c4f1dbcc01f33c2.jpg)
I do something similar when casting molds.  I attach the sander to the bottom of the table, and it pushes all the air bubbles to the top of the surface.  Spritz the bubble with a water/alcohol solution and no more bubbles.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: hillsy on Apr 19, 2017, 19:53:35
Starting in on these finally tonight.


Be very careful you don't lose the o ring underneath the diaphragm cover. They run like poo without them.


You can ask me how I know if you like  ::) ....
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 21, 2017, 13:10:23
Be very careful you don't lose the o ring underneath the diaphragm cover. They run like poo without them.
You can ask me how I know if you like  ::) ....

I can guess!  ;)


So, the Ebay seller of the hydrosonic cleaner cancelled my order 4 hours after I put it in.  Said they didn't have them in stock and refunded my money.   The next day they posted the same ones for 50$ more with "over 50 in stock".  I'm gonna leave a steaming pile of dung on their feedback.

So...I found another one and have it on the way.


Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Apr 21, 2017, 13:22:36
That's lame. I hope that in a year they still have those 50 left in stock.

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 21, 2017, 13:33:28
That's lame. I hope that in a year they still have those 50 left in stock.

Right?   I understand selling for market value but what they did was deceitful. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Apr 21, 2017, 13:33:44
That shit has happened to me twice in the last few months. GP style exhaust bought for $10 and an alloy front fender bought for under $10. Both times I was given some shitty excuse and a refund. Both times the item was relisted with a reserve and a high Buy It Now.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 21, 2017, 16:31:40
That shit has happened to me twice in the last few months. GP style exhaust bought for $10 and an alloy front fender bought for under $10. Both times I was given some shitty excuse and a refund. Both times the item was relisted with a reserve and a high Buy It Now.

Just curious, did you contact the sellers?    I've considered it but figured it would be a waste of time. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 22, 2017, 16:56:49
Question.  While testing only, do I have to run a fuel pump to the carbs even if I have a good gravity feed ?

This is my first go around with pressurized fuel systems.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: furu14 on Apr 22, 2017, 17:05:28
As long as you have a feedheight of a foot or 2 your good. ;)
only reason for the pump is the high mount of the carbs relative to the tank.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 22, 2017, 17:33:37
As long as you have a feedheight of a foot or 2 your good. ;)
only reason for the pump is the high mount of the carbs relative to the tank.


Excellent, I was figuring/hoping so.  Thanks!
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 23, 2017, 19:36:10
Today was messy.  Trying to put together one pair of rear sets but need a new shift lever.  Got a good clutch master cylinder together and figured out which front brake master I'll use but need new levers.   HEL brake and clutch lines on order.  Some more carb parts on order too.    I started chemically stripping the tank to see what I have.  Failing liner in the tank.  I'm going to call around and see if a radiator shop can dip this thing.

Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: advCo on Apr 23, 2017, 22:05:10
I had a hard time finding anyone to mess with fuel tanks. Ended up doing it myself both times. MEK strips red-kote pretty easy, might break down a couple other liners as well.


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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: hillsy on Apr 23, 2017, 22:58:57
The good thing about the YZF tanks is there is a massive plate underneath you remove to get the fuel pump out. Makes it easy to get in there and remove any crud.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 23, 2017, 23:33:57
The good thing about the YZF tanks is there is a massive plate underneath you remove to get the fuel pump out. Makes it easy to get in there and remove any crud.

Heck yes it does. First tank I've had like this. It should make it easier when I have to re-coat it too.

I also found a pinhole in the top of the tank.  Looks like it should be an easy fix.  Doesn't look rotted and there was no dents under the paint.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 23, 2017, 23:35:27
I had a hard time finding anyone to mess with fuel tanks. Ended up doing it myself both times. MEK strips red-kote pretty easy, might break down a couple other liners as well.

I haven't used MEK before but it's cheap at Home Depot.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: advCo on Apr 23, 2017, 23:59:18
I haven't used MEK before but it's cheap at Home Depot.

Its NASTY stuff, be sure to use it outside and a fan/respirator and some long gloves come in handy
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Drewski on Apr 28, 2017, 20:25:35
Its NASTY stuff, be sure to use it outside and a fan/respirator and some long gloves come in handy


+1!! It's a killer!  :o

Be careful.  :)
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on May 02, 2017, 12:54:00
So....I received the hydrasonic cleaner and it was bad.  I filled it up and turned it on only to hear a crazy noise like it was going to explode and electrocute everything nearby.  Definitely not working so I shipped it back this morning.  Pisser. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: irk miller on May 02, 2017, 13:47:34
So....I received the hydrasonic cleaner and it was bad.  I filled it up and turned it on only to hear a crazy noise like it was going to explode and electrocute everything nearby.  Definitely not working so I shipped it back this morning.  Pisser.
Mine sounds like a bug zapper.  It's how it's made.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on May 02, 2017, 14:04:57
Mine sounds like a bug zapper.  It's how it's made.

I had a smaller one way back and it didn't make near the noise of this one.  I played with this one long enough to figure out it wasn't working yet still sounded like a really loud turbo bugzapper that was trying to fry a squirrel.    I'm going to order another, different size unit.  This 6L one was a bit too small as well.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: irk miller on May 02, 2017, 14:55:31
I'll be interested to find a bigger one than what I have.  It works well enough, but too often a carb body sticks out of the solution, so I have to flip them.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on May 02, 2017, 22:23:37
I'll be interested to find a bigger one than what I have.  It works well enough, but too often a carb body sticks out of the solution, so I have to flip them.

I found 30L units on eBay but around 300+$ that will hold a rack of carbs.
[edit] that's not going to happen.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on May 06, 2017, 17:01:48
The 750 twin has been getting more attention than the Fly lately.  No ultra sonic cleaner at this point so I'll end up dipping the little stuff in carb cleaner.   The clutch and brake lines are here:

Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: cyclefreak on May 22, 2017, 13:12:33
Just now found this!!! Count me in, can't wait to see how this turns out!

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: irk miller on May 22, 2017, 13:21:18
He clearly needs you to push him along, Jared.  Is it done yet?
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: advCo on May 22, 2017, 13:23:36
I found 30L units on eBay but around 300+$ that will hold a rack of carbs.
[edit] that's not going to happen.

A big plastic tub, couple gallons of pinesol and a vibratory sander duct taped to the top.  ;D
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Maritime on May 23, 2017, 09:07:25
works better if you tape the sander to the bottom.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on May 27, 2017, 00:57:57
Just now found this!!! Count me in, can't wait to see how this turns out!

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Right on!  I sure hope you are a patient man.  I'm stretching myself pretty thin right now.   I really dig this bike though and I'm really looking forward to riding this beast. Two bike builds at once plus the van and the chopper upgrades this summer. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on May 27, 2017, 00:59:02
I might give the sander/bucket trick a shot.  Thanks guys. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: cyclefreak on May 27, 2017, 01:08:08
I know what you mean about being patient. I have quite a few projects going on myself. And getting no where fast!

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Jun 27, 2017, 13:22:22
Yeah....it's been over 30 friggin days....

I'm collecting parts.   My rearsets on both bikes were in rough shape (broken shift and brake pedals) and both sets of forks I have are good but the finish is pretty rough on both.   Thanks to a nice fellow from the Netherlands via the YZF750 Facebook group I have some nicer bits on the way.
I have extra front calipers if anybody is interested. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Aug 30, 2017, 00:59:21
I may not have posted in over 30 days but I've been patiently hunting.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Aug 30, 2017, 07:28:28
My man!
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Drewski on Aug 30, 2017, 10:23:16
Never doubted you!  ;D
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Aug 30, 2017, 14:16:42
That doesn't look like a project. Is it yours? If so it is sweet.

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Aug 30, 2017, 14:36:56
That doesn't look like a project. Is it yours? If so it is sweet.

Thanks guys, I'm excited about it.  This is a runner with clean paperwork.  It needs all the standard maintenance.  It has some of the usual squid PO battlescars but nothing too bad so far.  I have extra parts for it already since I've been collecting for this build.  New ss lines, tires, rear sets, chain/sprockets and other stuff.   It's a cold starter but once it warms up a bit it sounds good and starts right back up.  I'm not giving up on building the other one but I've been looking for an actual runner for awhile to go with it.  Street and track maybe...
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Aug 31, 2017, 16:27:00
Two big issues already fixed.  The clutch lever was toast and so was the janky attempt at a shifter replacement.  I had both parts "in stock". 



Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 01, 2017, 01:12:12
New 530 chain and stock sprockets first.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 02, 2017, 20:24:47
I got as much done on the bike in the last few days that I could.
Visual inspection, ie.. staring
Installed the new SS brake lines and did a full flush.
Installed the new chain and sprockets.
Flushed the clutch hydraulics, I have a new SS line for it, still need to install it.
Rebuilt the rear sets and replaced the clutch lever, it shifts like it should now.

I got to put about 60 miles on it today including a rip through the canyon freeway.
It howls.  :)

More to do.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Sep 02, 2017, 21:19:56
I didn't dig the early 90's in the 90's but I do now that you got that bike.

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 03, 2017, 00:36:26
I didn't dig the early 90's in the 90's but I do now that you got that bike.

I had a different color scheme in mind for the build so it took me a minute to "get" the purple but I love it.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Redbird on Sep 03, 2017, 01:12:57
I keep hearing Beastie Boys playing in the background everytime I see this bike ;)

"Cause what you see you might not get
 And we can bet so don't you get souped yet..."
canyoncarver as Cochise
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Sep 03, 2017, 15:52:44
Man you have to keep this color scheme. I mean it's not like it's the GSXR in Cool As Ice you know.

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 04, 2017, 15:32:56
I had to look up Cochese Redbird....

As for the colors, I'm going to maintain the factory plastics and graphics, I love them yet can't stand Vanilla Ice.. ;)

However.....Airtech is having a sweet Labor day sale today so I got a bit excited and ended up ordering a full race fairing, tail and bellypan.

My excuse is that one of the yzf's will need all the body work and I couldn't miss the price break Walt at Airtech gave me today. 

:) :) :)

Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Redbird on Sep 05, 2017, 17:45:05
I had to look up Cochese Redbird....
Don't read too much into it, it was just the first "character" listed in the Sabotage video :P
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 05, 2017, 17:51:49
Don't read too much into it, it was just the first "character" listed in the Sabotage video :P
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: irk miller on Sep 05, 2017, 19:31:12
Cochise

(http://filmcomment.com/assets/uploads/brokenarrow-01.png)
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 06, 2017, 13:10:05
Kemosabe ride to work today.  Got another white left mirror in the mail yesterday to replace the ratty one I had AND I got it VIN inspected and registered this morning with a new plate!!!!



Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: advCo on Sep 06, 2017, 13:16:40
This thing is awesome man. Barber??
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 06, 2017, 13:28:38
This thing is awesome man. Barber??

That depends on RedVan1's status - I'm getting some help next week with it.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Sep 06, 2017, 14:02:33
Man now I'm yearning for a vintage sportbike.  I really need an early 90's NSR. 😁

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: doc_rot on Sep 06, 2017, 16:39:39
man that's sweet. love the yellow screen!
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 06, 2017, 18:02:26
Man now I'm yearning for a vintage sportbike.  I really need an early 90's NSR. 😁

Are you done with that Daytona 400 yet?
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 06, 2017, 18:03:54
man that's sweet. love the yellow screen!

Thanks!  Man, me too.  The colors have already grown on me.  Heck, I even ordered a set of purple shorty levers.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Sep 06, 2017, 19:31:50
Are you done with that Daytona 400 yet?
It's getting close. Waiting on the cylinders to come back from boring and porting, paint a few more items and find one more unobtanium part!

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Redbird on Sep 06, 2017, 20:24:18
Man now I'm yearning for a vintage sportbike.
I know right?!
I need to get on the 1stgen GSXR I got in the corner of the shop.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: irk miller on Sep 06, 2017, 21:51:22
I know right?!
I need to get on the 1stgen GSXR I got in the corner of the shop.
You shoulda bought Levi's Interceptor and saved it from that skinny fucker's whiskey throttle of doom. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Sep 06, 2017, 22:58:58
Somebody should market " whiskey throttle" liquor.

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Green199 on Sep 07, 2017, 05:47:06
I had to look up Cochese Redbird....

As for the colors, I'm going to maintain the factory plastics and graphics, I love them yet can't stand Vanilla Ice.. ;)

However.....Airtech is having a sweet Labor day sale today so I got a bit excited and ended up ordering a full race fairing, tail and bellypan.

My excuse is that one of the yzf's will need all the body work and I couldn't miss the price break Walt at Airtech gave me today. 

:) :) :)

Full race fairing and endurance style headlights....

Bike looks great man!
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 07, 2017, 12:15:14
I know right?!
I need to get on the 1stgen GSXR I got in the corner of the shop.

Eh?  Lets see it.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 07, 2017, 12:16:30
Full race fairing and endurance style headlights....
Bike looks great man!

Thanks Green.  I'm thinking about lighting.  Have not decided which way to go.  Maybe just a single projector lamp.  We'll see.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Sep 07, 2017, 13:06:06
I know right?!
I need to get on the 1stgen GSXR I got in the corner of the shop.
What yr Redbird ?
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Redbird on Sep 07, 2017, 20:05:44
Eh?  Lets see it.
What yr Redbird ?
'87 750
It was a freebie with a title. Good compression, obviously been sittin up for a while, I got it to almost start but it'll need some good TLC. PO's wife got tired of looking at it in the garage and made him get rid of it. I had patience and waited out the price droppage until it was "come get it outta my sight".
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll297/vialfmly/utf-8BSU1BRzAzNjUuanBn.jpg)
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll297/vialfmly/utf-8BSU1BRzAzNjcuanBn.jpg)
And this was after about 20min of reassembling the bodywork.
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll297/vialfmly/utf-8BSU1BRzAzNjguanBn.jpg)
It's next in line, waiting for me to finish up the wifes Rebel, and (now) my bros RD400.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 08, 2017, 00:17:15
'87 750
It was a freebie with a title. Good compression, obviously been sittin up for a while, I got it to almost start but it'll need some good TLC. PO's wife got tired of looking at it in the garage and made him get rid of it. I had patience and waited out the price droppage until it was "come get it outta my sight".

It's next in line, waiting for me to finish up the wifes Rebel, and (now) my bros RD400.

That gsxr 750 is a cool bike.  That will be a really fun project.  Just shoot some clear over that paint just like it is.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Sep 08, 2017, 09:19:39
Very cool bike !  That is one of the few models I have never threw a leg over in the GSXR family.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Redbird on Sep 10, 2017, 12:43:39
That gsxr 750 is a cool bike.  That will be a really fun project.  Just shoot some clear over that paint just like it is.
I can't wait to start on her. I'd been thinkin of painting her in the blue/white scheme, because I like it better. But right now I'm leaning towards the original red/black. Who knows what'll happen when the time comes :P

Very cool bike !  That is one of the few models I have never threw a leg over in the GSXR family.
Once I'm done, you're welcome to sit on her and make vroom vroom noises ;)
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Sep 10, 2017, 19:09:53
Gladly !!
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: cyclefreak on Sep 11, 2017, 00:22:01
I think Neal still has these super cool 90's leathers he might let go of.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170911/a8b274982f5c09a0464e94aa1cdf69fc.jpg)

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 11, 2017, 14:01:30
I think Neal still has these super cool 90's leathers he might let go of.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170911/a8b274982f5c09a0464e94aa1cdf69fc.jpg)

Is that Neal?
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 11, 2017, 14:03:12
Over the weekend this happened:
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: cyclefreak on Sep 11, 2017, 14:27:46
Is that Neal?
Yep, sure is.

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: irk miller on Sep 11, 2017, 15:07:40
This will help you recognize him...

(http://www.dotheton.com/gallery/77150-110917130707.jpeg)
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 11, 2017, 15:27:31
This will help you recognize him...

HA!
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 11, 2017, 16:18:48
Still in what I call the shakedown phase on the new2me bike.  Front rotors are pretty toasty and slightly warped, I have new ones on the way as well as a set of later R1 blue dot calipers.  I also have a new rear rotor coming too.   This bike is a blast to ride so I want to get the easier stuff sorted sooner than later.  I'm starting to prep for the winter valve clearance job too.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: cyclefreak on Sep 11, 2017, 16:55:40
This will help you recognize him...

(http://www.dotheton.com/gallery/77150-110917130707.jpeg)
He thinks these leathers are an upgrade......he is wrong.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170911/71cbfbff4acd53cdb533f737bad19bbf.jpg)

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: doc_rot on Sep 13, 2017, 03:00:52
Still in what I call the shakedown phase on the new2me bike.  Front rotors are pretty toasty and slightly warped, I have new ones on the way as well as a set of later R1 blue dot calipers.  I also have a new rear rotor coming too.   This bike is a blast to ride so I want to get the easier stuff sorted sooner than later.  I'm starting to prep for the winter valve clearance job too.


what about the ISR rotors that came on the original bike?
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 13, 2017, 12:26:43
what about the ISR rotors that came on the original bike?

I still have them but they were in rough shape, loose and missing spacers.  They need to be rebuilt.  If they can be, I'll reserve those for the track bike.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Redbird on Sep 13, 2017, 18:15:26
This will help you recognize him...

(http://www.dotheton.com/gallery/77150-110917130707.jpeg)
Nailed it.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 13, 2017, 19:52:24
R6 blue dot calipers came in today.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Brodie on Sep 15, 2017, 19:01:36
Nice
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 15, 2017, 22:24:48
Nice

Yowsers Brodie.  I saw your post.  Heal up ok?


On another note, I got more neato bits for the YZF.  These are cnc'd crank covers for each side of the motor.  Added protection in the event of the big oops.   YEC used to make something like it for race teams.   These were made by http://www.b1racingproducts.com/   Nice guy, great service. 

Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Brodie on Sep 16, 2017, 00:16:28
Healing up well so far, still a long road ahead.

Those crank covers look great. Good idea as well.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 20, 2017, 20:22:56
The crank covers will be a snug fit if I install them under the stock plastics.  They will wait for a bit before I decide which bike to put them on.

Meanwhile, new front and rear brake rotors are here.  These aren't exactly name brand but I'm willing to roll the dice for the price. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Hurco550 on Sep 21, 2017, 11:30:12
The crank covers will be a snug fit if I install them under the stock plastics.  They will wait for a bit before I decide which bike to put them on.

Meanwhile, new front and rear brake rotors are here.  These aren't exactly name brand but I'm willing to roll the dice for the price.

I did the same on the intereceptor. I couldn't justify $500 for a pair of nos or oem Honda discs, so I went with the Chinese ones. Worked like a dream. Who knows how long they will hold up, but for the money, couldn't beat them
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 21, 2017, 12:10:04
I did the same on the intereceptor. I couldn't justify $500 for a pair of nos or oem Honda discs, so I went with the Chinese ones. Worked like a dream. Who knows how long they will hold up, but for the money, couldn't beat them

Yep, under 200$ to my door for all 3 rotors.  Hard to justify not trying it. 

I got the front rotors done and prepped the R1 calipers with new pads and a good rinse last night.  I'll get the calipers and another flush done tonight.

Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 25, 2017, 17:14:54
So....wrong blue dot calipers after all.  My bad.  I'll sort that out later.  I rebuilt the stock calipers with fresh pads and slapped it all back together.  The new rotors work great.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Sep 25, 2017, 21:46:50
Man, I really dig that bike. Sucks about the calipers but at least you have the originals.

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 26, 2017, 20:07:47
Man, I really dig that bike. Sucks about the calipers but at least you have the originals.

Thanks man.  You and Justin coming to Barber?
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Sep 26, 2017, 21:34:34
Yeah Friday night. You bringing the Fly?

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Sep 26, 2017, 23:05:52
Yeah Friday night. You bringing the Fly?

I am.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Oct 16, 2017, 18:21:48
I am.

...and I'm glad I did.  I had a great time riding in Alabama with DTT Dirty South crew.     

Here she is rolled back into her parking spot after the trip. 

My new Airtech race fairings for the build bike are here too.  Winter will be fun in the garage at least.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Oct 16, 2017, 21:31:08
Arkansas in May dude.

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Nov 02, 2017, 21:40:54
Project notes:

The amount of time I've spent lately thinking about, researching this bike and oogling all the farkle is huge.  My winter plans are changing for it somewhat.   It'll be difficult to get much going on the original project bike this winter.  (the 750 twin needs my attention too)   The rider needs a list of things before next summer.

The things I know about: ( in no particular order )

1) Stock plastics repair, new fasteners, etc..  I might order a second SP style solo seat for it.   I'll need to hit up somebody for decal repops.
2) Valve adjustments.  - A bit tricky and time consuming but it really needs it.
3) Carb cleanup, adjustments, jetting etc.  - It has a fueling issue when going WOT from 7k.  Not a problem if I roll it on but it tells me something isn't right.   FactoryPro makes the best bits for these carbs.
4) Clutch and it's hydraulic line - easy enough and I already have all the parts.
5) Forks could use fresh fluids but at least the seals are not leaking.
6) I figured out the mod for the R1 blue dot calipers, front and rear, might do that too.  I still have a new rear rotor to install as well. 
Once I get the stock plastics off for the other work, I'll likely start to fit up the race plastics so I don't have to wait until I work on the project bike to figure those out. 

When I get the good carbs off the rider, I may as well use them to try and start up the parts bike motor too.  I'd still like to know if it's really the low mile runner I hope it is.
More as I think of it.  Thanks for watching.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Nov 09, 2017, 11:59:09
Eddie Lawson was famous for the KZ's he won races on but he also raced Yamahas.  Here he is on the Yamaha OWO1, the true race beast predecessor to the YZF750.

Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: The Limey on Nov 09, 2017, 15:35:18
Yam did a highly prized V&H FZR600 in the yellow and pink, with a specially commissioned V&H pipe.  Very pleasant.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Nov 10, 2017, 16:14:39
Yam did a highly prized V&H FZR600 in the yellow and pink, with a specially commissioned V&H pipe.  Very pleasant.

Yeah, those were the 80's and 90's.  Fashion wasn't their strong suit but hey it's coming back!
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Dec 04, 2017, 22:26:04
Yam did a highly prized V&H FZR600 in the yellow and pink, with a specially commissioned V&H pipe.  Very pleasant.

This one?  I like it.

Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: The Limey on Dec 05, 2017, 04:37:28
Aye, that's the one.  Extinct here, and rare on your side of the pond.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Dec 14, 2017, 19:54:48
Back on the lift today.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Dec 14, 2017, 20:56:12
I love that bike. I hope my 98 GSXR turns out half that good.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Green199 on Dec 16, 2017, 04:58:28
You absolutely NEED matching leathers....
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Dec 16, 2017, 23:37:11
Man now I'm yearning for a vintage sportbike.  I really need an early 90's NSR. 😁

You can now !  Heck there was even an article this month in Cycle World. Those 250's are now allowable for import and re-tag.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Dec 16, 2017, 23:40:54
I love that bike. I hope my 98 GSXR turns out half that good.

Thanks.  It's got me hooked too.   Yours will, it' looks like a great start.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Dec 16, 2017, 23:41:56
You absolutely NEED matching leathers....

If only..
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Dec 17, 2017, 17:33:56
You can now !  Heck there was even an article this month in Cycle World. Those 250's are now allowable for import and re-tag.
I had been eyeing up that same company for a couple of years. They go through the bikes prior to sale which is good. Need to finish the Daytona Special first then maybe I can scrap some funds together.

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Dec 25, 2017, 19:13:23
I had been eyeing up that same company for a couple of years. They go through the bikes prior to sale which is good. Need to finish the Daytona Special first then maybe I can scrap some funds together.

Yeah, I haven't seen pics of the Daytona in awhile.  Done yet?  ;)
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Dec 25, 2017, 23:23:42
Close but I feel like the punch list is long.

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Jan 02, 2018, 12:33:25
Close but I feel like the punch list is long.

She's a beauty.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Jan 02, 2018, 12:35:40
Prepping for the valve clearances.  I was able to get started last night.  You have to peel the onion to get the the valve cover. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Jan 02, 2018, 12:44:51
Last but not least.  I built two Raspberry Pi3's over the holidays.   This one will be a gateway to the internet for security cameras and a stateful firewall for the Wifi.  Fun stuff.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: XS750AU on Jan 02, 2018, 18:21:26
Hoping you can help me understand the proper function of the Mikuni BST36SS carbies I am using on my triple. Understand that the YZF uses a different carb, but they appear to be similar.
There are 2 hoses coming off your carbies, just under the diaphragms, I have highlighted  in red in the photo.
It appears they would go into the airbox? Do you know what function they perform? Others have suggested that I blank them off, but I would prefer to understand their function before I do that.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: irk miller on Jan 02, 2018, 18:45:26
Hoping you can help me understand the proper function of the Mikuni BST36SS carbies I am using on my triple. Understand that the YZF uses a different carb, but they appear to be similar.
There are 2 hoses coming off your carbies, just under the diaphragms, I have highlighted  in red in the photo.
It appears they would go into the airbox? Do you know what function they perform? Others have suggested that I blank them off, but I would prefer to understand their function before I do that.
My F650 comes with a pair of BST33's.  Those hoses are part of your power jet circuit.  It adjusts the mixture for high rpm delivery.  I don't want to claim credit as some expert on these, so here is a good article I recently read that does a good job explaining...

http://oldskoolsuzuki.info/archives/531

If they don't go to the airbox, then they could be a breather for the float chambers (explained at the end of the article).
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Jan 02, 2018, 19:59:05
Hoping you can help me understand the proper function of the Mikuni BST36SS carbies I am using on my triple. Understand that the YZF uses a different carb, but they appear to be similar.
There are 2 hoses coming off your carbies, just under the diaphragms, I have highlighted  in red in the photo.
It appears they would go into the airbox? Do you know what function they perform? Others have suggested that I blank them off, but I would prefer to understand their function before I do that.


I'm not sure this will help but on this bike, they are BDST38's and they do not go to the airbox and are used as bowl breathers.   These carbs lay flat on the bike rather than cv end up on a standard bike.  Likely the reason for the breather configuration.  They have a sort of screened check valve on them also.  In the pic you referenced I had moved them.  They actually lay like this and just out of the way:
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: irk miller on Jan 02, 2018, 20:07:20
Moral of the story:  Don't block them off.  They serve a purpose.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: XS750AU on Jan 02, 2018, 22:13:34
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they are BDST38's and they do not go to the airbox and are used as bowl breathers.
Thanks, that is a great help. I guess the BDST is for the horizontal version of the BST vertical carbi - they look very very similar.
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Don't block them off.  They serve a purpose.

That is exactly my thoughts, hence the question. I just wanted to know if they needed to vent or pick up a vacuum out of the airbox!
Next question  - there is one hose coming off the diaphragm cap (black plastic) on one carbie only. The other 2 carbies have the port capped off. It appear to route down through the choke and into the vacuum side of the venturi. Is this for carbi function or is it just supplying vacuum for some other engine control on acceleration?
If it is for carbi function then why are 2 out of 3 carbies capped off?
Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: irk miller on Jan 02, 2018, 22:56:25
Thanks, that is a great help. I guess the BDST is for the horizontal version of the BST vertical carbi - they look very very similar.
That is exactly my thoughts, hence the question. I just wanted to know if they needed to vent or pick up a vacuum out of the airbox!
Next question  - there is one hose coming off the diaphragm cap (black plastic) on one carbie only. The other 2 carbies have the port capped off. It appear to route down through the choke and into the vacuum side of the venturi. Is this for carbi function or is it just supplying vacuum for some other engine control on acceleration?
If it is for carbi function then why are 2 out of 3 carbies capped off?
Thanks for your help.
Did you see that link I posted up there in my first comment?  That's a write up on these BST carbs and explains all the tubes. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Jan 02, 2018, 23:54:25
Yeah, Factory Pro did cool stuff for the YZF. 

http://www.factorypro.com/Prod_Pages/prody73.html
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: XS750AU on Jan 03, 2018, 06:03:58
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Did you see that link I posted up there in my first comment?
Sorry missed that!!!
Thank you both for your great help. I think I have now worked it out. It looks like all Mikuni BST carbies are not the same, as the Triumph BST's are different to the ones Factory Pro referred to.
Now for the explanation of how I think the Triumph BST36SS carbi Power Jet works.
The first photo shows the bell mouth, which has 2 air vents at the bottom, one for the pilot circuit and the other for the float bowl/main circuit. Up the top is the main vent for the diaphragm to lift the slide during acceleration.
The next photo shows the powerjet tube going from the float bowl up to the point where the fuel enters the air inlet between the butterfly and the cylinder head. The interesting point here is that the vent also extends up to the diaphragm cap to a hose barb. If the hose barb is not capped then the engine will just suck air and severely affect the carbi function.
The last photo shows the powerjet port coming in just behind the butterfly where there is max vacuum. By the way this also appears to be where the choke circuit also enters the carbi. The top highlight is the cap I have placed on the diaphragm cap hose barb. I guess Triumph had some kind of valve to control the vacuum at this point which I do not have on a 1978 XS750/896.
I am thinking that as the powerjet is pulling vacuum behind the butterfly that it will still function with the low impedance airfliter?
I think this is how they work - if I am wrong please let me know.
Canyon - sorry for highjacking you blog, but thanks for your help.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Jan 12, 2018, 01:29:21
{edited}
Thank you both for your great help. I think I have now worked it out.
I think this is how they work - if I am wrong please let me know.
Canyon - sorry for highjacking you blog, but thanks for your help.

No worries man, glad it helped.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Jan 12, 2018, 01:30:05
Waiting on a thing or two I forgot to order.  Looks good under the valve cover so far.

Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Jan 17, 2018, 17:52:42
Mark everything first.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Jan 17, 2018, 17:54:33
Make sure you get #1 on TDC.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Jan 17, 2018, 17:57:41
I made a quick spreadsheet to log all the important info:  (yes, some have surprisingly little clearance)
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Jan 17, 2018, 17:59:25
Then lots of time with the feelers.  It's a royal pain to get some of them in the right position to measure.    The lobes on end of each cam are a "gimme" at least.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Jan 17, 2018, 19:48:56
Is it looking pretty tight in there or do you have some slop?

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Jan 17, 2018, 23:57:36
Is it looking pretty tight in there or do you have some slop?



26,017 miles total, and about 1400 of those are mine.  It doesn't look it's been opened since Mr Yamaha built it.  It's pretty tight. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Jan 18, 2018, 11:41:33
Man, that's good to hear. I really think that you got a good one on that deal.

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Jan 18, 2018, 12:29:09
It's good that nobody had been in there and monkey fingered the insides but they are way too tight.    The book says valve clearances are to be done by 26k miles.  (I think it's about every 14k on the Zrx.)  It's a good thing I didn't try to squeeze more miles out of it before doing this job.  The chart show my initial run through the measurements.  I always do it twice on the initial check.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: advCo on Jan 18, 2018, 20:33:49
Much valves, many clearance.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Jan 31, 2018, 16:36:16
Much valves, many clearance.

So many....

More pics.  Made progress last night finally.  This is taking longer than I like but the last two weeks stuff got in the way.  The biggie was that we had one of our trees come apart and fall on the power line to the house.  That got interesting for a few days.  The good part of it was that I now have a single-phase 200amp feed at the new panel for my house.  I'll have to do the run into the garage myself with a buddy but better power tools are in my future. 

After more moto-homework, I got up the cojones to pull the cams after triple checking the procedure and my measurements on the clearances.   Still looks good in there, plenty of oil, no signs of any starvation.  Lobes and journals look good but I'm still going to measure the cam lobes, etc...

I had Mrs save me some egg cartons to organize the 20 little bastard shims and buckets.  This is a job for my part-time ocd.  Now that everything is out and measured, I now know what shims and a few other small bits I'll need to order.  Step by step...
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: advCo on Jan 31, 2018, 17:07:49
Looks like a lot to tackle, but she'll be happy once all those valves are in spec.

I like the egg carton trick, I'll have to remember that one.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Feb 09, 2018, 12:13:12
All the new shims are in and setup under the followers(buckets).  I also had to order another torque wrench with a better range of in/lbs.  Getting the cams back in correctly is testing me.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Feb 13, 2018, 13:26:13
So...I measured all the cam lobes and they were in spec.  Happy about that.   I got the cams re-installed last night finally.  The new torque wrench I ordered was perfect for the job.  It took a little Irish whiskey, lots of patience and some new curse words.    It was late so I didn't get to re-measure the new clearances.  That'll be tonight.  A bit of mental prodding from my friends at Checkered Past Cycles helped with the trick of getting that damn intake cam in.  I had not done a shim under bucket, cams out job like this in at least 20 years.    Now I remember why.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Maritime on Feb 13, 2018, 15:33:18
Much prefer tappets for sure but the shims allow more RPM do they not? Anyway good job, hope all check out for you!
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Feb 13, 2018, 16:30:52
Much prefer tappets for sure but the shims allow more RPM do they not? Anyway good job, hope all check out for you!

Thanks man.  Tappets vs. shims, you are probably right.  For comparison the ZRX uses a much simpler style of tappet and shim and its 20x easier and quicker for the same job.   Either way, it's a labor of love (good whiskey and motorcycles).
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Feb 13, 2018, 16:34:53
And for the curious, this is what I was sipping last night.  Only about 400 cases are produced every year and apparently Total Wine buys them all.  Very nice stuff.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Maritime on Feb 14, 2018, 08:47:06
Yum.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Feb 19, 2018, 03:13:40
After all that, I had 4 different intakes that were still a bit snug.  Damn.  So out came the intake cam AGAIN and I swapped out the 4 I wasn't happy with.   All that and I replaced the 24 year old valve cover gasket and sealed it up.  Kind feels like I'm in a special club now.  lol.  Very frustrating and satisfying at the same time. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Feb 19, 2018, 13:09:01
I forgot that thing has 3 intake valves per cylinder...  ???
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 20, 2018, 08:49:56
Nice work CC ............. nice whisky ! ;)
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Feb 20, 2018, 12:27:10
I forgot that thing has 3 intake valves per cylinder...  ???

Yep.  It has it's own sound at WOT that I love.  All in all, not much different doing it on this than an older air cooled Kawasaki shim under bucket other than all the stuff you have to remove just to get to the heads. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Feb 20, 2018, 12:28:49
Nice work CC ............. nice whisky ! ;)

Thanks BC.   Just enough to keep me going but not enough to get sloppy. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: fortysixand2 on Feb 22, 2018, 03:51:28
Very cool build, should be a rocket! *follow*
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Feb 23, 2018, 16:53:06
Very cool build, should be a rocket! *follow*

Cool!
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Feb 23, 2018, 16:56:20
New Yamaha clutch is happening.  Did a full strip and rebuild on the clutch master and slave as well as finally installing the braided stainless clutch line.  I also scored a nice (but varnished) set of yzf carbs for cheap.  78$ shipped.  Better than the set that came on the parts bike. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Feb 26, 2018, 14:28:07
Clutch is all done.  I'm waiting until it's off the lift and on its wheels to finish routing the new ss line to the clutch master cylinder so I can check it at full turn stops.  Rear wheel is off for a new tire.  Front will get one when the bikes is off the lift.  I'm also doing some harness cleanup in the front around the radiator.  Nothing was messed with, just age related stuff.   
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: trek97 on Feb 26, 2018, 21:58:19
Holy cow.  I just found this thread.    :o
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Feb 27, 2018, 12:15:58
Holy cow.  I just found this thread.    :o

Yessir, here to stay.  "estamos aquŪ por la cerveza"
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Sonreir on Feb 28, 2018, 11:26:19
Holy cow.  I just found this thread.    :o

I know, right? I just subbed last week, too.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Feb 28, 2018, 12:03:07
I know, right? I just subbed last week, too.

Well, it's only been a year,....
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Sonreir on Feb 28, 2018, 12:07:13
Well, it's only been a year,....

Good deal. Glad I got in early enough, then. We should still have another three or fours years worth of content on this thread. ;D
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Feb 28, 2018, 13:15:38
Ha!  Well, you aren't far off I suspect.  Time is precious.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 01, 2018, 17:55:07
Fresh rubber.  Dunlop GPR300, front will be soon.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 02, 2018, 01:34:49
I took the wheel/tire into the Yamaha guys in town first thing this morning and it was ready by lunch.  Got it home and had to super clean everything at the bikes ass end.  I installed new rear caliper pads and bolted it back together before bedtime.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Mar 02, 2018, 15:38:36
Nice photo names.

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Hurco550 on Mar 02, 2018, 15:40:07
Nice photo names.

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+1 hahahahaha
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 02, 2018, 16:04:28
Nice photo names.

Aww... you noticed..!    ;)

[edit] it's the way I tell them apart when I crop/compress them before uploading too!  lol
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 13, 2018, 14:24:27
I'm going to give it a shot at repairing the fairings.  The PO had dropped the bike and cracked the left side pretty good.  The only damage on the right is the turn signal mount area.  I'm going to use old abs plastic and acetone to make an abs glue paste and a heat gun, soldering iron, superglue etc..   to try and make decent repairs.  I may resort to some resin, we'll see.

Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: teazer on Mar 13, 2018, 16:11:33
That's a nasty crack.  I found teh best way for that sort of extensive repair is to plastic weld it.  I bough a cheap plastic welder which is like a small heat gun with very small nozzle and a compressed air supply.  I use my air compressor and dial down the delivery pressure.  Resin and glue work but not as well as welding. I had an FZR400 fairing missing most of one top "ear" and rebuilt it out of sections scavenged from a Kawasaki tail section that had sections with the same curvature, but that was quite an assembly job.

Yours should be weldable.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: advCo on Mar 13, 2018, 16:13:06
I've had pretty good luck with plastic welding in the past.

For something that size, I'd be grabbing the G/flex (the West System stuff I used on the Van Van). Its well worth the buy in price and it has some good flex once fully cured, which is why I like it for plastics. It's designed to adhere to and repair plastics.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 13, 2018, 17:25:11
That's a nasty crack.  I found teh best way for that sort of extensive repair is to plastic weld it.  I bough a cheap plastic welder which is like a small heat gun with very small nozzle and a compressed air supply.  I use my air compressor and dial down the delivery pressure.  Resin and glue work but not as well as welding. I had an FZR400 fairing missing most of one top "ear" and rebuilt it out of sections scavenged from a Kawasaki tail section that had sections with the same curvature, but that was quite an assembly job.

Yours should be weldable.

I'm hoping so.  I think I'll give the plastic welding a shot first as it gives me yet another reason to buy a tool.  I have other stuff to fix with it as well.   What does your gun look like Teazer?  All the ones I'm finding start around 60$ and go up from there.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 13, 2018, 17:29:13
I've had pretty good luck with plastic welding in the past.

For something that size, I'd be grabbing the G/flex (the West System stuff I used on the Van Van). Its well worth the buy in price and it has some good flex once fully cured, which is why I like it for plastics. It's designed to adhere to and repair plastics.

I may pick up some of it, looks very handy to have around.   I've looked at it before but I'm going to try and weld/glue it up first.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: teazer on Mar 13, 2018, 19:01:29
like this one http://toolmonger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/post-plasticwelder.jpg.  Probably came from HF though I don't remember for sure.  Now I look and see there are dozens of designs out there and HF has three choices all different to the one I have.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 13, 2018, 22:18:38
like this one http://toolmonger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/post-plasticwelder.jpg.  Probably came from HF though I don't remember for sure.  Now I look and see there are dozens of designs out there and HF has three choices all different to the one I have.

Thanks for that link, it was confirmation of what I was looking at HF for.  I picked this up on the way home.   Like you did, I'll just dial my compressor down to 4-5psi.    I've got a Dremel with the right bits for running a V groove and a heat gun, etc.  This hot air welder looks like fun.  I have scrap abs but I picked up cheap abs rods at HF also.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: teazer on Mar 14, 2018, 01:08:07
Just remember that they get hot enough to make for some sever burns if you are clumsy or careless.

Good idea to get some practice on spare bits of abs first.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Mar 14, 2018, 13:13:50
How much was that thing?  I need to do some plastic welding on the Gsxr.
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Post by: Sonreir on Mar 14, 2018, 13:15:52
I can't wait to see how this turns out. I've never considered home plastic welding.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Mar 14, 2018, 13:17:17
I have watched it be done but never tried it for myself...that may be about to change !
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Post by: Maritime on Mar 14, 2018, 13:26:33
HF site says 49.99 for the welder and 5.99 for some plastic rods in 3 flavors. not bad at all.  I wish I knew they were that cheap when I was fixing the plastic on the wheeler, I spent probably 20 bucks in epoxy and it only partly worked.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Sonreir on Mar 14, 2018, 13:27:13
Anyone know what type plastic is used in the rods? Rolls of ABS for 3D printing are pretty cheap and LOTS of colors available.
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Post by: 1fasgsxr on Mar 14, 2018, 13:29:40
Might be picking one of those up.  I have a stock tail piece that I will cut up and use. So glad I ran across this !
The ear on my upper fairing is broke clean off but I still have it.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 14, 2018, 13:30:13
How much was that thing?  I need to do some plastic welding on the Gsxr.

This particular plastic welder was 50$ at HF.    A few more bucks and you can get a bag of abs welding rods to go with it.  I have some Katana carcasses in my barn I'm going to practice on first.  I'll post up pics etc when I test it out.  I'm going to try and get to it tonight after work.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Mar 14, 2018, 13:32:28
Thanks !!  I hope my local store has one.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 14, 2018, 13:33:52
I think the trick on my YZF750 fairings will be to only weld one side of the plastic.  I don't want to mess up the body graphics on the outside and have to re-do them.   All the videos I've watched show welding both sides, sanding, filling, etc....     Which is what I hope to avoid.  I just want to weld up one side, prevent further cracking and keep the oem graphics as intact as possible. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 14, 2018, 13:37:16
Anyone know what type plastic is used in the rods? Rolls of ABS for 3D printing are pretty cheap and LOTS of colors available.

You use the same kind of rod as the plastic you are welding, polypropylene, abs, etc...    Post up a source of the abs rolls if you can. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Mar 14, 2018, 13:37:33
How far away are they from the crack?  That heat might melt em pretty quick.  Mine is getting a color change so I will be doing both sides and sand etc etc..
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 14, 2018, 13:39:26
How far away are they from the crack?  That heat might melt em pretty quick.  Mine is getting a color change so I will be doing both sides and sand etc etc..

Look back a page or two.  I posted pics of the inside and outside of the left fairing, showing the worst crack.   It goes right through the graphics.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Sonreir on Mar 14, 2018, 13:40:20
You use the same kind of rod as the plastic you are welding, polypropylene, abs, etc...    Post up a source of the abs rolls if you can. 


This place is good for samples: https://quantum3dprinting.com/shop/3d-printer-abs-filament-samples-10-meter-increments/

Once you figure out what you want, I usually hit eBay or Amazon for the whole rolls. Usually runs about $20-$25 for a 1kg roll.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Maritime on Mar 14, 2018, 13:40:55
You use the same kind of rod as the plastic you are welding, polypropylene, abs, etc...    Post up a source of the abs rolls if you can. 


You may want to chemical weld then. you can use MEK and abs chunks and make a slurry to apply and then it turns back into solid ABS, you can use a little glass mat or cloth to make it stronger. I will be using that technique this spring to fix the ABS front on my camper.  Just need a respirator to not die
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Mar 14, 2018, 13:43:29
Man that is a nasty crack!!  Good luck.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Hurco550 on Mar 14, 2018, 13:47:08
Welding is stupid.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: irk miller on Mar 14, 2018, 14:02:55
You guys and your abs.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/ERu9RZhhVBR0A/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 14, 2018, 14:12:45
You may want to chemical weld then. you can use MEK and abs chunks and make a slurry to apply and then it turns back into solid ABS, you can use a little glass mat or cloth to make it stronger. I will be using that technique this spring to fix the ABS front on my camper.  Just need a respirator to not die

Yeah, I also considered abs cement and abs chips to make a slurry and to do it that way.   Once I practice on the carcasses I have, I'll have a better idea about which way to go because of the graphics. 

Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 14, 2018, 14:13:50
You guys and your abs.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/ERu9RZhhVBR0A/giphy.gif)

I have 6 pack abs under my pony keg. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Maritime on Mar 14, 2018, 14:18:56
The slurry by itself isn't as strong as a weld but if you bury cloth or mat in it it should be. I think the welder will ruin the graphics on  you but maybe not.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: advCo on Mar 14, 2018, 15:12:10
Slim chance you can save that decal. You'd have to repair it from the back as Mike said using cloth, etc. and you'd still see the crack through it regardless.

If you get a sheet of trace paper and trade the outer contours, we can reproduce that graphic (assuming they aren't readily available).
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 14, 2018, 16:10:41
Slim chance you can save that decal. You'd have to repair it from the back as Mike said using cloth, etc. and you'd still see the crack through it regardless.

If you get a sheet of trace paper and trade the outer contours, we can reproduce that graphic (assuming they aren't readily available).

The graphics are sometimes available but silly expensive, like over 250$ per side.  I don't expect my repair to be visually perfect from the outside.  I rode it like this all last fall and can live with the look I just don't want it to get worse.   I mean, I want it to look good but I'm managing my expectations on the possibilities. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: irk miller on Mar 14, 2018, 16:18:11
I've repaired a bunch of plastics with G/Flex.  You can use pigments to color match.  In fact, most 2 part epoxy and plastic can be pigmented. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 15, 2018, 01:08:23
I've repaired a bunch of plastics with G/Flex.  You can use pigments to color match.  In fact, most 2 part epoxy and plastic can be pigmented.

I ordered some, just the small bottles. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 15, 2018, 16:20:46
Another upgrade I'm doing is swapping out the intake runners for a set from a later model.  The 94-95's didn't have air tubes on each intake, making carb syncing much more tedious and iffy.   96-98's had the air tubes on all the intakes so I got a used set from the net.  They are grubby but in nice shape.  This way, you can run a hose from each one , into the engine bay away from the carbs and boom I'll have individual sync hoses.



Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: doc_rot on Mar 16, 2018, 17:27:42
I think on most carb syncs the nozzle(?) that goes in the end of the tubes needs to be within a certain proximity to the vaccum source to work properly, might want to check on that for your tube length.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: irk miller on Mar 16, 2018, 18:05:13
https://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/6537.htm

Length of hose won't make a difference, as the vacuum will read the same.  IMO, an SK flowmeter is the best option for syncing carbs.  It's testing for airflow and has greater accuracy. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 16, 2018, 21:44:12
Irk, that tool you posted is pretty sweet.  Mine is a Motion Pro though but it does let me sync with the airbox on.  Doc, it actually comes with fairly long hoses.  The pic i posted of the hoses is from my 97' stock yzf parts bike so those are stock length.  Seeing the newer setup on the 97 is what made me decide to buy the newer intakes for the 94'
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: doc_rot on Mar 18, 2018, 13:57:53
In the instructions on the motion pro and on the Morgan carb tune, iirc  both state the little nozzle you poke in the end of tube needs to be within a certain distance  to the vacuum source to function correctly. I dont know how important this is but both carb syncs I have owned stated this.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 22, 2018, 12:06:39
I'll check on the total hose length when I go to setup the sync.

Until then I've decided that G/flex and fiberglass cloth was the way to go for this repair.

Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 27, 2018, 00:39:39
Impromptu bike stands.  The two engine/frame mounts used for the frame sliders are perfectly symmetrical and hold it just the right height. 
Front wheel is off for the new Dunlop swap asap.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: doc_rot on Mar 27, 2018, 01:50:46
What ever works man. I have hung bikes off the rafters with ratchet straps before.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: advCo on Mar 27, 2018, 10:38:59
Nice. G/flex is awesome. They recommend sanding plastics with 80 grit then a light flame polish with propane for the best adhesion.


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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Mar 27, 2018, 13:11:53
I have used jack stands, hung em from the rafters like Doc said. Whatever works man. I have a pit bull front stand now and man it is nice. I think I am going to get the Q3+ Dunlops.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 27, 2018, 16:36:42
Nice. G/flex is awesome. They recommend sanding plastics with 80 grit then a light flame polish with propane for the best adhesion.

That's what I did. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 27, 2018, 16:39:31
I have a front and rear set of Pitbull stands.  The rear of the bike is up on one.  The front stand that has a pin and goes into the bottom of the neck doesn't fit this bike because the front fairing is too low.     I have another front stand that uses the lower fork stanchions but you cant get the axle out with that stand in the way. 

Man, I've wanted to do an overhead lift in here so I could hang stuff and pull motors right over my bench.    Someday. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 27, 2018, 16:57:42
The front wheel on this bike already had a pretty decent shape Shinko Raven on it but I wanted the front to match the rear.    I haven't tried the Q3's.   These are Dunlop GPR300's.   They were on sale at Revzilla when I got them.  I think I paid about 220$ shipped for the pair.   I take the wheels and tires for mounting to the oldest Yamaha dealer in the USA.    Bobby J's Yamaha, here in Albuquerque. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 27, 2018, 19:25:52
I lurk Craigslist a lot.  Another running parts bike showed up so today I pounced on it.  It was 70 degrees in town this week but this bike was located three hours west of me and off the main road.  It made me work for it.  Not long out of town the weather turned and as I got closer to the rendezvous point , the snow was coming down and I found my self driving in a few inches of slush and powder on a two lane road.  My van is only a half-ton and totally empty inside.  Traction is precious thing, but about what I expected in those conditions.   I did not get stuck and I brought home YZF750R #4.  It should run after I unfrack a few things the PO did. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: farmer92 on Mar 27, 2018, 20:47:49
In the instructions on the motion pro and on the Morgan carb tune, iirc  both state the little nozzle you poke in the end of tube needs to be within a certain distance  to the vacuum source to function correctly. I dont know how important this is but both carb syncs I have owned stated this.

Itís less about the distance and more about the volume of the hose.
If the volume is to large, the vacuum signal gets lost, itís harder to sync.

Itís not a constant vacuum, itís vacuum and pressure pulses. So if the volume/length in the hose is too large compared to the intake volume then you donít have the same pressure drop you would with a smaller hose. The signal is harder to read.

Tl;dr the hose length is a valid point to consider, all lengths need to be somewhat similar.

Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Mar 28, 2018, 10:24:16
Nice score on #4 !  You make me wonder if I have had the Gsxr on that pit bull with the fairings on.. ???
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 28, 2018, 12:38:43
Itís less about the distance and more about the volume of the hose.
If the volume is to large, the vacuum signal gets lost, itís harder to sync.

Itís not a constant vacuum, itís vacuum and pressure pulses. So if the volume/length in the hose is too large compared to the intake volume then you donít have the same pressure drop you would with a smaller hose. The signal is harder to read.

Tl;dr the hose length is a valid point to consider, all lengths need to be somewhat similar.

This made a lot of sense to me.  Thanks Farmer. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 28, 2018, 12:39:46
Nice score on #4 !  You make me wonder if I have had the Gsxr on that pit bull with the fairings on.. ???

Thanks!.  Check the fit.  I would have seriously damaged the front fairing if didn't look carefully first. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: doc_rot on Mar 28, 2018, 15:25:07
i went and looked at the instructions for the carb sync and the nozzles in the ends are dampers, they need to be the correct distance from the carb sync to smooth the vacuum pulses out, on mine its 90cm away from the tool. the motion pro may be different. It sounds like you can add some tube in front of that and be fine.
btw that van is awesome.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 28, 2018, 15:41:06
i went and looked at the instructions for the carb sync and the nozzles in the ends are dampers, they need to be the correct distance from the carb sync to smooth the vacuum pulses out, on mine its 90cm away from the tool. the motion pro may be different. It sounds like you can add some tube in front of that and be fine.
btw that van is awesome.

Thanks Doc.  I run a 40 channel cb radio on road trips and a stereo with a 300w powered sub in it.  It's my 4th chevy van since I was 17.   I love them.  This one is the long body and is lined all through the back with duraliner panels on the walls and floor.   Nothing better for hauling bikes and camping (to me).  I've been driving it out to Alabama for the Barber Vintage Festival for the last few years.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Redbird on Mar 29, 2018, 15:36:22
btw that van is awesome.
I can vouch ;)
He keeps Free Candy inside too!
Or rather, he said he did. I don't remember seeing any candy.
Actually, I don't remember much of anything after getting in.
But, I still have both my kidneys, sooo... 'silver linings' I guess ;D
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Mar 29, 2018, 15:43:00

Actually, I don't remember much of anything after getting in.
But, I still have both my kidneys, sooo... 'silver linings' I guess ;D

Just a little "sore"?
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Maritime on Mar 29, 2018, 16:02:23
I can vouch ;)
He keeps Free Candy inside too!
Or rather, he said he did. I don't remember seeing any candy.
Actually, I don't remember much of anything after getting in.
But, I still have both my kidneys, sooo... 'silver linings' I guess ;D

Thanks Chris, I shot water out my nose laughing at this.  Got to remember not to drink anything before reading posts
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 29, 2018, 16:28:41
I can vouch ;)
He keeps Free Candy inside too!
Or rather, he said he did. I don't remember seeing any candy.
Actually, I don't remember much of anything after getting in.
But, I still have both my kidneys, sooo... 'silver linings' I guess ;D

Wait until I get you in there again....you fell for it once.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 29, 2018, 16:51:25
Just about back together.

https://youtu.be/l3ysL4dp0sk
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Redbird on Mar 29, 2018, 17:29:28
Wait until I get you in there again....you fell for it once.
"Fool me Once, Shame on You.
Fool me Twice, Shame on Me."

I'll need to see that Candy up front next time ;)
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 31, 2018, 21:35:01
I'll need to see that Candy up front next time ;)

How's this for candy?   I buttoned her up and took her out for some mountain air.

Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Mar 31, 2018, 21:36:05
Heck yeah man! Love that thing!
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 31, 2018, 21:54:22
Heck yeah man! Love that thing!

:)  Thanks 1fasgsxr. 

recap...

So, since I picked this up last August:

- new tires
- new chain and sprockets
- new/rebuilt rearsets
- fairing repairs
- new rear solo seat cowl
- new front brake rotors
- new stainless brake lines
- new oem clutch and springs
- new stainless clutch line
- rebuilt all calipers + new pads
- new left mirror
- 26,000 mile valve adjustment
- new windscreen bolts
- new frame sliders
- lots of other little things

It's running like a beast but I can tell it still needs some carb tuning.  That'll be next but in the meantime it sure felt good to get out on the road today. 

:)
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Brodie on Apr 01, 2018, 00:52:13
Nice
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Redbird on Apr 01, 2018, 13:01:14
How's this for candy?   I buttoned her up and took her out for some mountain air.
Awesomeness :)
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Sonreir on Apr 01, 2018, 15:13:22
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQmtD15K4tO8l8TtT2E-uLh-3TPZQNCiyabu_q6CPkX7Uk51nbmSQ)
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: The Limey on Apr 01, 2018, 17:21:06
Lovely bike, form an era when sportsbikes still needed real men to ride them.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: JSJamboree on Apr 02, 2018, 13:41:11
Looks killer, finally got one with proper headlights to fill the hole in my heart.  This thread I think kept my search going.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: advCo on Apr 02, 2018, 13:51:33
Beauty!
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 02, 2018, 13:58:53
Thanks guys.  All of you help keep me focused too.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 02, 2018, 14:02:18
Looks killer, finally got one with proper headlights to fill the hole in my heart.  This thread I think kept my search going.

Right on, what did you get?
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: JSJamboree on Apr 02, 2018, 14:07:16
Right on, what did you get?

89 GSXR750, its a bit of a.... project but its all there :)
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Maritime on Apr 02, 2018, 14:44:49
89 GSXR750, its a bit of a.... project but its all there :)

So why is this not in the recent purchase thread????
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: JSJamboree on Apr 02, 2018, 16:50:21
So why is this not in the recent purchase thread????

There
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Maritime on Apr 02, 2018, 16:58:20
Ha, money pit FTW.  ;D
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 15, 2018, 16:26:27
Great news!   I happened to ride the YZF up to the brand new Triumph dealership grand opening Saturday.  Good time, beautiful new bikes.  The service manager for the Triumph dealership saw me getting on the YZF to leave and he literally ran out to stop me.  It turns out Charles is a long time Yamaha Genesis geek.  He used to race and build them for these guys:  http://www.dutchmanracing.com/

These bikes are pretty uncommon around the states so we both geeked out pretty hard for awhile.  He has piles of parts, cranks, pistons, valves the works.  I couldn't have got more lucky to find a local guy who knows these bikes so well.  He started telling me about sticking the 1000 motors in them and I had to tell him, Yeah!  I have one I'm starting to put together.   Fires re-ignited for the 1000R build!!!
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Apr 16, 2018, 13:13:53
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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: ex119x on Apr 17, 2018, 02:21:13
Dutchman Racing is the real deal. I was on the track with them many times back in the late 80's and early 90's endurance racing. I was always in the smaller classes, so I got to see them fairly often as they would pass me. They always had some nice bikes and put on a real class act.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 17, 2018, 13:38:03
Dutchman Racing is the real deal. I was on the track with them many times back in the late 80's and early 90's endurance racing. I was always in the smaller classes, so I got to see them fairly often as they would pass me. They always had some nice bikes and put on a real class act.

Cool ! 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Redbird on Apr 17, 2018, 17:43:41
I remember them from the 80's-90's as well, as being a force to be reckoned with.
But when you mentioned Dutchman Racing, I knew I had seen the name again recently. Well, not real recently (4yrs ago), but at Barber '14 I tracked down local hero Jamie James in the paddock area. I was able to get this photo of him (and me) with his racebike...
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll297/vialfmly/Stuff/FullSizeRender_zps4ade8bf2.jpg)
Check the tank :)
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Apr 17, 2018, 20:17:59
I had a friend of the family who had more money than riding skill but tried AMA back in the day. Pretty sure it was Jamie James....passed him on the outside of a corner and placed a hand on my buddies leg as if to say....I'm over here don't mess up...and Jamie was gone by the next corner...lol
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: teazer on Apr 17, 2018, 21:06:02
The Ragin' Cajun.  He built a wicked RZ350 a few years back.

Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: ex119x on Apr 18, 2018, 01:42:22
I knew Jamie pretty well back in the day. He started racing in the Southeast with Quick Sand and Gravel as his sponsor. Always loved that name. We hung out in the pits and went to dinner a fair amount back then. What a southern accent on that coonass. His mom and dad used to come to the races in the rv and make a big ole pot of jambalaya on saturday night and feed anybody that wanted to come around.

We were racing the 24 hrs of Nelson ledges one year, maybe 88 or 89, on a Katana 600 and I crashed in the middle of the last turn onto the straight. I ended up just sitting in the middle of the track with a concussion and separated shoulder, a little dazed and my back to traffic. I finally made it off the track, back to the pits and eventually to the hospital for a short visit. When I came back to the track Jamie came down to find me and see if I was OK, because he was the next bike through and had to pull up hard to avoid hitting me. I was wearing bright pink and grey leathers with bright green lettering on them, and Jamie said he saw the leathers in the middle of the track and ran off to avoid me. He was riding for Team Valvoline Suzuki at the time, the best endurance team in the country.
He was always good to hang out and have a beer with, a great guy.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Apr 18, 2018, 10:37:34
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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 18, 2018, 20:39:02
I remember them from the 80's-90's as well, as being a force to be reckoned with.
But when you mentioned Dutchman Racing, I knew I had seen the name again recently. Well, not real recently (4yrs ago), but at Barber '14 I tracked down local hero Jamie James in the paddock area. I was able to get this photo of him (and me) with his racebike...
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll297/vialfmly/Stuff/FullSizeRender_zps4ade8bf2.jpg)
Check the tank :)

Love the pic and the story.  That is awesome Chris!
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 18, 2018, 20:43:56
I knew Jamie pretty well back in the day. He started racing in the Southeast with Quick Sand and Gravel as his sponsor. Always loved that name. We hung out in the pits and went to dinner a fair amount back then. What a southern accent on that coonass. His mom and dad used to come to the races in the rv and make a big ole pot of jambalaya on saturday night and feed anybody that wanted to come around.

We were racing the 24 hrs of Nelson ledges one year, maybe 88 or 89, on a Katana 600 and I crashed in the middle of the last turn onto the straight. I ended up just sitting in the middle of the track with a concussion and separated shoulder, a little dazed and my back to traffic. I finally made it off the track, back to the pits and eventually to the hospital for a short visit. When I came back to the track Jamie came down to find me and see if I was OK, because he was the next bike through and had to pull up hard to avoid hitting me. I was wearing bright pink and grey leathers with bright green lettering on them, and Jamie said he saw the leathers in the middle of the track and ran off to avoid me. He was riding for Team Valvoline Suzuki at the time, the best endurance team in the country.
He was always good to hang out and have a beer with, a great guy.

I have never raced but I love bike racing.  It's one of the reasons I love to hear track stories like yours.  If you can't be there then at least first person "no shit there I was" stories are awesome. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: ex119x on Apr 19, 2018, 01:55:25
Its not too late to start racing. I'm 61 and still have a bunch of vintage race bikes and an SV650.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Markie-V on Apr 20, 2018, 00:12:30
Great story... way cool.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: teazer on Apr 20, 2018, 00:46:33
I started drag racing at over 60, and am thinking of building another AHRMA race bike for my 70th...
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Apr 20, 2018, 10:23:38
Probably have more fun racing at an older age. I tried WERA 600 production in my late 20's and it was full of idiots that should not have been out there...not fun !!  Pick a good class and have fun...just stay away from the class full of kids wanting to be the next Rossi !
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 20, 2018, 16:04:11
All the race talk is not lost on me.  I've been thinking about it for some time now (just turned 51).  I've been casually looking for a good used track suit in wookie size that would fit me.  I'd like to take the YZF to track sessions.    I was ( I don't teach anymore)  a USPA multi rated professional skydiver for 20 years so I dig the speed and the passion racers have.  Very similar to the skydiving community in ways.  I've been riding since I was a kid but I'm kept humbled by plenty of other faster riders I know.  I think track sessions would be a huge boost to my abilities.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: irk miller on Apr 20, 2018, 16:42:22
51! Whoah!  Way to go, grandpa.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Hurco550 on Apr 20, 2018, 16:44:26
51! Whoah!  Way to go, grandpa.

that's almost as old as my parents...... weird.......
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 20, 2018, 16:52:56
My age...that's the takeaway from that eh?  Lol.    Yeah Eric, I have 3 grandkids (via my wife) about the same age as your girls and a 21 yr old daughter of my own (no kids there yet, just gray hairs.). 

Levi, well, buckle in buddy.  You're next.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: teazer on Apr 20, 2018, 17:35:45
Kids. 

Can't get no respect round here.  or whatever it was that Rodney Dangerfield said.

Track time is so worth while.  I raced for years in vintage classes and then had fun as a race school instructor with Team Chicago and then retired again and then we got a tiny little RS125 and had a blast at open practice days and when I build a race bike, I try it out and set it set up properly at the track, but havn't done that for a while.

Back to the point, leather suits are not too bad in price unless you want the latest Dainese with air bags.  You might think about a two piece so you can take the jacket off when it's hot and you are standing around.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Redbird on Apr 21, 2018, 11:22:22
I've been casually looking for a good used track suit in wookie size that would fit me.
Might be easier to kill a cow and wear the carcass :P

And I'll join the consensus, trackdays are about as much fun as you can have with clothes on. Do It!! You won't be disappointed ;)
It's been a few years, but I've done a couple with the DS7, and more than I can count with the Hayabusa. Getting the itch to run the DS7 again though.
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Check into your local trackday organizations. The one I ran with over here had loaner suits for those who wanted to get their feet wet without the initial cost outlay. There's another company here who rent out 250 Ninjas as well as suits for trackdays.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Apr 21, 2018, 21:44:06
A wookie on a ninja 250. Haha I'd pay to watch that.

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Apr 21, 2018, 21:53:10
Close

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 22, 2018, 16:24:30
Close

Haha....very...
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 22, 2018, 16:28:52
So my guy at the HD shop hooked me up yesterday.  I wasn't looking but I've wanted one for quite awhile.  This came up as a buddy to buddy deal so there was no way I was going to pass on it.  1986 Harley Davidson FXR Lowrider.   I'll sort it out over the next few months into a rider. 

Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Apr 22, 2018, 17:52:51
What is it in need of? Is it a runner?

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: irk miller on Apr 22, 2018, 19:19:29
It is in need of my ass on the seat. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: The Jimbonaut on Apr 22, 2018, 19:22:05
Skydiving, the biggest rush I ever had. Leapt out of a perfectly decent plane somewhere over Australia. Everyone needs to do that at least once. And u got to do it for a job. Good man


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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Apr 22, 2018, 21:38:13
It is in need of my ass on the seat.
Haha good one right there man.

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 22, 2018, 23:18:04
What is it in need of? Is it a runner?

I'll do a fuel system flush on it and maybe swap that giant bucket lid of an aircleaner out for something different. 
It needs an exhaust, I'm thinking 2-1 with a meg cone.
The rear brake is locked up, flush and clean a both brakes.
I needs tires, some new riser dampers. 
I just happen to have a new EarthX battery from Sparck for it. 

It needs a seat or two for options.  My wife wants to be able to ride this one.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: irk miller on Apr 22, 2018, 23:20:03
Maybe this needs that Paughco seat.  LOL
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 23, 2018, 21:44:35
Maybe this needs that Paughco seat.  LOL

Definitely not sure it does....   ?;)
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: ex119x on Apr 23, 2018, 22:04:29
So my guy at the HD shop hooked me up yesterday.  I wasn't looking but I've wanted one for quite awhile.  This came up as a buddy to buddy deal so there was no way I was going to pass on it.  1986 Harley Davidson FXR Lowrider.   I'll sort it out over the next few months into a rider.
It looks like you derailed your own thread, so I have a question about the Harley. Why do many Harleys and maybe other cruisers have a negative angle on the swingarm? Does it work ok? It just seems wrong. I set my bikes up with about 10 degrees or so of drop on the swingarme from the pivot to the rear axle, with the suspension unloaded. If that was my bike, the first thing I would be doing is fitting longer rear shocks to get the SA angle where I am used to it being. Am I wrong in my thinking?
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 24, 2018, 23:07:18
Skydiving, the biggest rush I ever had. Leapt out of a perfectly decent plane somewhere over Australia. Everyone needs to do that at least once. ....

Yes, I agree!
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: teazer on Apr 24, 2018, 23:59:54
Absolutely.  I did at DeLand near Daytona one year when we were down there with Team Obsolete.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 25, 2018, 23:39:43
It looks like you derailed your own thread, so I have a question about the Harley. Why do many Harleys and maybe other cruisers have a negative angle on the swingarm? Does it work ok? It just seems wrong. I set my bikes up with about 10 degrees or so of drop on the swingarme from the pivot to the rear axle, with the suspension unloaded. If that was my bike, the first thing I would be doing is fitting longer rear shocks to get the SA angle where I am used to it being. Am I wrong in my thinking?

Yep, most threads get derailed from time to time but it's temporary.  I'm pretty excited about the new2me FXR and you can see the YZF behind it so it's not cheating.   :)  It needs a fair bit of sorting, and a list of stuff I'm going to need to source.  I might put up a different thread.

As for the swingarm angle, it might be the angle in the picture, I'm not 100% sure what you are asking.  I haven't measured the shocks yet.  They might be and inch or more shorter than stock but they are nice Progressives.

Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 25, 2018, 23:45:13
Absolutely.  I did at DeLand near Daytona one year when we were down there with Team Obsolete.

DeLand is supposed to be a pretty cool Dropzone. 

I've mostly jumped in New Mexico and road trips to Skydive Arizona in Eloy.   Some in Texas and even over in Le Luc, near Nice in France. 

Twin Otters FTW! 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 27, 2018, 18:18:44
Friday ride to work day.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on May 08, 2018, 17:56:05
These bikes like gas and oil.  Gas mileage sucks, probably still related to the carb tuning I've yet to tackle.  They also naturally use a bit of oil.  Everyone I've talked to says the same thing and not to sweat it.  The first time the big red oil light came on I nearly shit.  I've never had a bike with an "oil level" instead of an "oil pressure" light.  I don't like red lights on my dash so I cleaned out an old 2 stroke bottle from my string trimmer and filled it with Yamalube 4 stroke oil.  Now I have a few ounces with me in case (like Sunday) where I'm out in the boonies and the light comes on.  Pull over, dump it in, no worries. 
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: JustinLonghorn on May 09, 2018, 09:36:01
I can dig it.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: hillsy on May 09, 2018, 22:54:48
These bikes like gas and oil.  Gas mileage sucks, probably still related to the carb tuning I've yet to tackle.  They also naturally use a bit of oil.  Everyone I've talked to says the same thing and not to sweat it.  The first time the big red oil light came on I nearly shit.  I've never had a bike with an "oil level" instead of an "oil pressure" light.  I don't like red lights on my dash so I cleaned out an old 2 stroke bottle from my string trimmer and filled it with Yamalube 4 stroke oil.  Now I have a few ounces with me in case (like Sunday) where I'm out in the boonies and the light comes on.  Pull over, dump it in, no worries.


Same thing happened to me on my FJ1200 - oil light comes on...time to change underwear... ;D


The annoying thing about the FJ is the low fuel light is also red - it came on one night and I'm thinking it's the oil light and expecting to see a hole in the cases or something  >:(
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on May 10, 2018, 12:49:27
Same thing happened to me on my FJ1200 - oil light comes on...time to change underwear... ;D
The annoying thing about the FJ is the low fuel light is also red - it came on one night and I'm thinking it's the oil light and expecting to see a hole in the cases or something  >:(

Haha..  yeah, I was about 20 miles from anywhere when it first happened.  Surprise!
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Redbird on May 10, 2018, 15:12:38
Carrying spare oil around with you... now you sound like a 2stroker :P
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Jul 05, 2018, 12:44:32
While it's true these bikes use a bit of oil in normal running, it's been using more than it should.  I figured out why.  The water pump drive shaft seal is leaking.  Never a drop on the ground but it's pretty noticeable in the belly pan and the underbody.  I've got new seals and bits on order for the pump rebuild.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Jul 06, 2018, 20:00:00
Well most of the time, finding the oil leak is the majority of the battle. Glad you easily found it.

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Jul 07, 2018, 17:39:31
Well most of the time, finding the oil leak is the majority of the battle. Glad you easily found it.

Thanks bud.  Waiting on parts is the other battle....

Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Redbird on Jul 08, 2018, 13:18:29
Ok, there's a bunch of Harley jokes in there, but it's no fun when you slow pitch them over the plate like that :P ;D
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Jul 08, 2018, 23:18:21
Ok, there's a bunch of Harley jokes in there, but it's no fun when you slow pitch them over the plate like that :P ;D

You mean like this? 

Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: Brodie on Jul 09, 2018, 00:38:28
This whole time I thought they leaked to coat the rear wheel with oil and give the illusion of power when the rear wheel lost traction!
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Jul 09, 2018, 12:00:07
This whole time I thought they leaked to coat the rear wheel with oil and give the illusion of power when the rear wheel lost traction!

Yeah...my shovel did that once.  Quite a surprise when I rounded a 90 degree turn.  Wheee!
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Jul 15, 2018, 18:01:24
The seals for the water pump rebuild arrived and of course when I pulled the chain cover, I saw that I should have ordered a clutch pushrod seal too.  I ordered a shift shaft seal too just because.  They'll be here in a few days. 

I've been playing with my ZRX again while this one is down. 

Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Jul 15, 2018, 19:01:19
Kinda grubby back there.  Otherwise the pump is still in nice shape.



Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: clem on Jul 15, 2018, 22:29:03
How does the clutch rod look? If it's got some corrosion on it, it'll tear up the new seal. I don't think that yamaha charges an arm and leg for those.

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Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: canyoncarver on Jul 16, 2018, 15:23:51
How does the clutch rod look? If it's got some corrosion on it, it'll tear up the new seal. I don't think that yamaha charges an arm and leg for those.

As far as I can tell, it looks good.  Thanks for the reminder though.  I think it's just a case of 24 year old seals.
Title: Re: YZF750/1000R - The Fly
Post by: irk miller on Jul 16, 2018, 15:33:40
I had no idea seals can even live that long.  Turns out, they can live to 30. 

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