Cafe Fabrications Custom Front wheel Project CB750...

teazer said:
It's interesting to see the reaction that this bike generates.

I'd speculate that there are two reasons. Firstly it strays from the image that many people have of what constitutes a cafe Racer. For many of us it's the reincarnation of sixties style of basic bikes, modified to look somewhat like a racer of that era. "Mags" don't fit that image QED they don't belong.

That reaction isn't right or wrong, it's natural. This project does not match the mental pattern that most people have of a Cafe.

That doesn't make it bad. It just means that for many people it isn't a Cafe Racer. It's definitely custom and it incorporates many ideas and techniques not available in teh era, but probably stretches teh envelope too much to be called a cafe racer - for most people.

The other issue is that on the web site, Grant and his buddy do the sales thing very well, but clearly invokes an emotional reaction in people who have been building and modifying bikes for years. For example, Grant said that his wheel will not have the problems that Honda had with Composite wheels. certainly, they don't have rivets to come loose, but unless he has done Finite Element Analysis and stress analysis, he doesn't "know" they will be safe. He can speculate that they should be fine, but he is presenting himself at the same time as a neophyte and an expert.

The bike is innovative and different and is almost as far from a cafe as the Phat Trakkas in my shop. Grant and his buddy are doing a great job but it might be useful for them to sit back and think about the reaction and what causes it and I think they will learn as much from that introspection as they do from the build.

And Yamaha brakes are available new for a whole lot less than those silly numbers (replicas).
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I guess the above actually sums things up pretty well.

I'm not singling anyone out but I find it sad that a bunch of wannabees are jumping on latest bandwagon and will dump it as soon as next fad comes along.

It happened with 'choppers' after Jesse James and OCC got on TV.
Awful lot of 'backyard builders' turned out some really dangerous stuff but, it looked 'phat' or 'sick'
All it really led to was totally restrictive legislation (it's happened before and will happen again, same as retards who still 'believe' loud pipes save lives ::))

There is still a lot of bad advice out there.
I've only seen one build on this site where owner/builder admitted the 'cool' tyres didn't work (and then changed them)
Most others say they are fine or tries to justify a bad decision. (at least there are more people who actually listen/agree now than a year ago)
I don't have a problem with anyone trying to make a living, it's cutting corners and doing dumb shit to make a fast buck I have issues with

Rant over,
as you were

PJ
 
Pj, i'm sure you're respected here but from this day i turn my back on you. I will not be referred to as a "retard" because of something i believe, which has worked quite well for me to this point. It's one thing if you don't like loud pipes, but referring to those that do as "retards" is uncalled for. And on top of that it's completely insulting for someone who is not able bodied. I can think of many more derogatory terms thet are racist, sexist, you name it. What if you substitute "retard" with one of those words? Think about it and stop trying to flog a dead horse.
 
Wow... Been trying to avoid this thread. Figured Id see what was happening here today though, for some reason. I would hope that everyone goes through and rereads their posts. Some more than others. Just some silly shit guys. Not that Im saying that I disagree with what some people said, and REALLY disagree with others comments, but at the end of the day what is the end result of this banter? Nothing. Unless your buying this bike, than what the fuck does it matter to you what he does? If you dont like it and cant say that without being a dick that apparently you never learned to golden rule when you were a kid. Thats a bummer. Hope everyone chills out a bit, and some people learn that being a prick is fucking pointless and a waste of energy. Sorry but this whole thread makes me feel shitty.
 
Retard is a good word that covers all races, and sexes.
'Mental retardation (MR) is a generalized disorder, characterized by significantly impaired cognitive functioning and deficits in two or more adaptive behaviors with onset before the age of 18. It has historically been defined as an Intelligence Quotient score under 70'
If you check, I exhibit 3 of the 6 characteristics
* Delays in oral language development
* Deficits in memory skills ;)
* Difficulty learning social rules ;)
* Difficulty with problem solving skills
* Delays in the development of adaptive behaviors such as self-help or self-care skills
* Lack of social inhibitors ;)

Retarded comes from the Latin retardare, "to make slow, delay, keep back, or hinder." The term was recorded in 1426 as a "fact or action of making slower in movement or time." The first record of retarded in relation to being mentally slow was in 1895. The term retarded was used to replace terms like idiot, moron, and imbecile because it was not a derogatory term.

loud exhaust?
The person your pissing off is behind you.
The dumbass (you like that better?) running red light, on phone or texting doesnt know or care what exhaust you have and they are the people who kill you
At the end of the day, loud exhausts lead to more restrictive legislation and, are no substitute for being aware of your surroundings

PJ
 
I'm not going to take the bait PJ, I refuse to deal with you any further. Go cause trouble elsewhere.
 
ok.. gotta flog my 2 cents in this thread..
I've checked out:

http://cafefabrications.com/default.aspx
http://cafefabrications.blogspot.com/

and casually prused through some of the comments , (shaking my head side to side..), and regardless of the period correct/not period correct, latest fad or not debate...
All I can say is that I sure wish I had the skills, talents and tools and equiptment that Jesse and Grant have!!...

I dont care wether or not its authentic "cafe" or not, I freaking love the wheels, I freakin love the whole project for that matter...

Personally, (since Ive always been a big fan of the Centerline Rims... and had them on all my muscle cars in the past), I would have left the rims like this:.. but thats just me...



At the end of the day, the only opinion that matters to me... is mine... and in my opinion, Id give these gents a standing ovation for this bike because, even with my network and my connections and my friends, there is still no way in the world I could come up with a bike like that... (geezz.. just look at my xs650 team build....)....

Bravo Gentleman.. Bravo...

noel
 
Those solid rims have Bonnieville Speed Week written all over them. 8)
 
I am not even going to begin to try and cover all the topics you gents have discussed. I have been away for a week working on the bike from basically 7am to 10pm. It is about 85% of the way there. You will have to wait for the final pictures but it's worth the wait. We surprised ourselves once all the parts were finished painted and buffed. I sent the pictures to some clients I know that have serious private collections of vintage bikes and even they are impressed. That made us feel very good. Not all people are going to like what we have done or plan to do. That is fine by Cafe Fabrications.

The wheels have caused quite the stir with a lot of people. We personally love them and they are period correct just not on that model of Honda. Those Comstars came out in 1978 the yr our bike was built. I did not mean to cause all the infighting on this thread. Our sole intention was to build ourselves a kickass bike. I think we have done a fine job. It's not everyones cup of tea but nor are some of the bikes I see on this site. I respect what people have done with the tools and skills they poses to create their own IDEA.

I also agree with a lot of people here that we do have some tools that most people don't have access to. But because we do we are using them. I would like to think every lover or hater of this project given the chance to use CF'S equipment would take full advantage of it. We are building this bike because it's fun and we enjoy making really cool custom stuff. I like motorcycles always have I have had the fortune of owning about 6 in my lifetime. Then they went away for a long time. College, work, and now a 9 month old kept me from them. Well that and my love for Mountain bikes and Road Bikes (bicycles). So this is me being 34 yr's old with a pre midlife crisis I guess.

Some people are concerned about how others have responded to my thread and that I may take offense. It really does not bother me at all. I love that people have opinions good or bad.

So cheers to everyone both lovers and haters. Hope to meet some of you in Brooklyn, NY in August.

gsalter
 
I think the wheels will look great when there mounted. I'm with Noel though I like the centerline look. I'd buy a set of solids for my bike if it wasnt going to put me in the poorhouse. For the rear what did you do for a cushdrive? Isnt the exhaust going to cook your battery and carbs? cant wait for the final pics

cheers
 
gsalter said:
I am not even going to begin to try and cover all the topics you gents have discussed. I have been away for a week working on the bike from basically 7am to 10pm. It is about 85% of the way there. You will have to wait for the final pictures but it's worth the wait. We surprised ourselves once all the parts were finished painted and buffed. I sent the pictures to some clients I know that have serious private collections of vintage bikes and even they are impressed. That made us feel very good. Not all people are going to like what we have done or plan to do. That is fine by Cafe Fabrications.

The wheels have caused quite the stir with a lot of people. We personally love them and they are period correct just not on that model of Honda. Those Comstars came out in 1978 the yr our bike was built. I did not mean to cause all the infighting on this thread. Our sole intention was to build ourselves a kickass bike. I think we have done a fine job. It's not everyones cup of tea but nor are some of the bikes I see on this site. I respect what people have done with the tools and skills they poses to create their own IDEA.

I also agree with a lot of people here that we do have some tools that most people don't have access to. But because we do we are using them. I would like to think every lover or hater of this project given the chance to use CF'S equipment would take full advantage of it. We are building this bike because it's fun and we enjoy making really cool custom stuff. I like motorcycles always have I have had the fortune of owning about 6 in my lifetime. Then they went away for a long time. College, work, and now a 9 month old kept me from them. Well that and my love for Mountain bikes and Road Bikes (bicycles). So this is me being 34 yr's old with a pre midlife crisis I guess.

Some people are concerned about how others have responded to my thread and that I may take offense. It really does not bother me at all. I love that people have opinions good or bad.

So cheers to everyone both lovers and haters. Hope to meet some of you in Brooklyn, NY in August.

gsalter
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Well said man. You have no reason to apologize though! Keep up the great work!
 
Not sure why I didn't do this earlier - I'm moving this to the Big Arse Projects. If there ever was a project with a bunch of bigger Arses commenting on it, I don't know about it ;)
 
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