CJ250T - CeeJay - First time builder...(Nearly ready for rego!)
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Re: CJ250T - Aussie Cafe Racer - First time Builder...
It's completely original, thinkin I'll keep it that way, and just continue on with the 250 as my cafe...
BTW, thanks for the comments on the seat, I spend many hours staring at the bloody thing trying to get the dimensions right... :-\
The 125 certainly has some punch for a little tucker!
It's completely original, thinkin I'll keep it that way, and just continue on with the 250 as my cafe...
BTW, thanks for the comments on the seat, I spend many hours staring at the bloody thing trying to get the dimensions right... :-\
The 125 certainly has some punch for a little tucker!
Re: CJ250T - Aussie Cafe Racer - First time Builder...
Happy new year all!
Latest update...
I finally got my rearset mounts fabbed and welded in!
I used the passenger peg hoops, but fabbed a 10mm thick bracket to fit within it to mount my universals to.
Man what a task! I spent probably near on 20-30hrs on the bloody things! So glad to have them in hand though.
I don't own a MIG welder so the welds are all old school arc welds.
Anyway, here are some pics. Any comments on seating position?
Happy new year all!
Latest update...
I finally got my rearset mounts fabbed and welded in!
I used the passenger peg hoops, but fabbed a 10mm thick bracket to fit within it to mount my universals to.
Man what a task! I spent probably near on 20-30hrs on the bloody things! So glad to have them in hand though.
I don't own a MIG welder so the welds are all old school arc welds.
Anyway, here are some pics. Any comments on seating position?
Re: CJ250T - Aussie Cafe Racer - First time Builder...
So I've been trying to keep myself from messing with the 125, but I just can't help wanting to change the bars to some low rise ones. I love riding the little thing around, but with the giant mirrors and high rise bars it kinda looks pretty silly. Mirrors can stay that way, but I'm wondering if any of you lovely fellows could scrounge around and see if you have any old low rise bars from your bikes sitting around? I am in Newcastle NSW Australia so if you are local or nearby that would make life a lot easier (and cheaper!)
Anyways, thanks in advance.
So I've been trying to keep myself from messing with the 125, but I just can't help wanting to change the bars to some low rise ones. I love riding the little thing around, but with the giant mirrors and high rise bars it kinda looks pretty silly. Mirrors can stay that way, but I'm wondering if any of you lovely fellows could scrounge around and see if you have any old low rise bars from your bikes sitting around? I am in Newcastle NSW Australia so if you are local or nearby that would make life a lot easier (and cheaper!)
Anyways, thanks in advance.
thompsonmx100
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Re: CJ250T - Aussie Cafe Racer - First time Builder...
Lookks good that seat is nice. The 125 is sweeet. It looks brand friggin new. Whatever you do keep all the original stuff so it can be put back to original when, if ever you want to get rid of it. On your tank I would probably try to weld studs and pop the dents out. Or get someone else to do it. Keep it up.
Lookks good that seat is nice. The 125 is sweeet. It looks brand friggin new. Whatever you do keep all the original stuff so it can be put back to original when, if ever you want to get rid of it. On your tank I would probably try to weld studs and pop the dents out. Or get someone else to do it. Keep it up.
Re: CJ250T - Aussie Cafe Racer - First time Builder...
Thanks for the comments! I'm still working on other parts of the bike, tank is just gettin thrown around to do mockups and all.
Yeah love the little 125 hey! I was riding the other day and had some noob on a gsxr overtake me on a suburban street, and i was like, hmm might actually get this thing to redline... (only briefly still running the engine in :-\)
It went pretty hard! Heaps faster than those shit cbr125's! hahaa
Thanks for the comments! I'm still working on other parts of the bike, tank is just gettin thrown around to do mockups and all.
Yeah love the little 125 hey! I was riding the other day and had some noob on a gsxr overtake me on a suburban street, and i was like, hmm might actually get this thing to redline... (only briefly still running the engine in :-\)
It went pretty hard! Heaps faster than those shit cbr125's! hahaa
thompsonmx100
Over 1,000 Posts
Re: CJ250T - Aussie Cafe Racer - First time Builder...
Stoopid plastic bike and the dorks that ride them ???
Stoopid plastic bike and the dorks that ride them ???
Re: CJ250T - Aussie Cafe Racer - First time Builder...
Still better than a cage...only just.
Still better than a cage...only just.
Re: CJ250T - Aussie Cafe Racer - First time Builder...
How much better do things look in B&W... (still doesn't hide dings in tanks well)
How much better do things look in B&W... (still doesn't hide dings in tanks well
)
metaltriumph
Active Member
Re: CJ250T - Aussie Cafe Racer - First time Builder...
the rearsets rock bro.
and just in case you didnt make up yourmind - just get the tank painted by a pro. and get them to do some pinstripes while they are at it!
you are making some good progress
the rearsets rock bro.
and just in case you didnt make up yourmind - just get the tank painted by a pro. and get them to do some pinstripes while they are at it!
you are making some good progress
Re: CJ250T - Aussie Cafe Racer - First time Builder...
Funny thing is I went to fix the two massive dints and drilled holes and tried pulling them. Failed miserably, realised I will need a torch and some more tools to have a better go at it... So i gave up and went on with starting my second engine... and proceeded to fill up the tank with gas and whilst moving the tank I was like "hmm theres gas leaking out of it" What the? Oh wait thats right I DRILLED HOLES IN IT... idiot... pretty funny though.
Funny thing is I went to fix the two massive dints and drilled holes and tried pulling them. Failed miserably, realised I will need a torch and some more tools to have a better go at it... So i gave up and went on with starting my second engine... and proceeded to fill up the tank with gas and whilst moving the tank I was like "hmm theres gas leaking out of it" What the? Oh wait thats right I DRILLED HOLES IN IT... idiot... pretty funny though.
Re: CJ250T - Aussie Cafe Racer - First time Builder...
Ok so after an absence for a little while I am back with some pics and questions.
So I am starting to paint parts now. I have started with the front wheel hub. So far things are goin well! I have chosen a heavy duty primer (metal) and a high temp paint in metallic charcoal. I really like the colour and sheen!
My question is what kind of temp should I bake at? Is it easier to take it somewhere and get them to bake it for me? Should I give up on doing it all myself and just outsource?
I have my concerns about my ability and the frame I'm finding really fiddly. Its a bulky item too and I have no idea how to bake it as my oven is in no way big enough.
So far the process has been:
Clean part with wax and grease remover
primer two coats with an hour downtime
light sand
clean again with wax and grease remover
top three coats with hour downtime between each
Anyways, results!!
Paint used:
After final coat
Ok so after an absence for a little while I am back with some pics and questions.
So I am starting to paint parts now. I have started with the front wheel hub. So far things are goin well! I have chosen a heavy duty primer (metal) and a high temp paint in metallic charcoal. I really like the colour and sheen!
My question is what kind of temp should I bake at? Is it easier to take it somewhere and get them to bake it for me? Should I give up on doing it all myself and just outsource?
I have my concerns about my ability and the frame I'm finding really fiddly. Its a bulky item too and I have no idea how to bake it as my oven is in no way big enough.
So far the process has been:
Clean part with wax and grease remover
primer two coats with an hour downtime
light sand
clean again with wax and grease remover
top three coats with hour downtime between each
Anyways, results!!
Paint used:
After final coat
sebatron
Coast to Coast
Re: CJ250T - Aussie Cafe Racer - First time Builder...
you can bake it in a barbecue. if you've got like a big 4 burner, once it's touchdry put it in there, THEN turn it on and set it to medium. let it go for 10, turn off the gas, let it cool, then repeat.
works really well for the VHT high temp paints.
you can bake it in a barbecue. if you've got like a big 4 burner, once it's touchdry put it in there, THEN turn it on and set it to medium. let it go for 10, turn off the gas, let it cool, then repeat.
works really well for the VHT high temp paints.
Re: CJ250T - Aussie Cafe Racer - First time Builder...
That BBQ idea is a good one - especialy if you have a hooded one
If you're using an oven, try about 40 mins at the lowest temp possible. Basically once the part stops smoking, or the fumes stop coming out it's done. And allow the parts to cool down by themselves - don't be tempted to dip them in water or put them in the freezer.
For your frame you could use a heat gun and go over it by hand. A bit tedious, but feasible. Just make sure you keep the gun moving and don't hover over a spot or you'll burn / blister the paint.
That BBQ idea is a good one - especialy if you have a hooded one
If you're using an oven, try about 40 mins at the lowest temp possible. Basically once the part stops smoking, or the fumes stop coming out it's done. And allow the parts to cool down by themselves - don't be tempted to dip them in water or put them in the freezer.
For your frame you could use a heat gun and go over it by hand. A bit tedious, but feasible. Just make sure you keep the gun moving and don't hover over a spot or you'll burn / blister the paint.
Re: CJ250T - Aussie Cafe Racer - First time Builder...
This is gunna sound a little camp no matter how I approach it...
Can I use a hairdryer? Will it heat sufficiently? I'll probly attempt this one when i get home...
...GF's hairdryer theft plan being devised...
This is gunna sound a little camp no matter how I approach it...
Can I use a hairdryer? Will it heat sufficiently? I'll probly attempt this one when i get home...
...GF's hairdryer theft plan being devised...
sebatron
Coast to Coast
Re: CJ250T - Aussie Cafe Racer - First time Builder...
a heat gun is the mans version of a hairdryer - if you use that, the blowing air risks burning the pain and it won't spread well.
i literally used a closed lid 4 burner bbq.
keep it hanging off the lid so it doesn't touch anything and do that. chuck it in and forget about it for 10 minutes, twice. it'd be half an hour of tedium using any kind of handdryer and it wont get hot enough to bake the paint.
remember these are the paints used on exhausts where they say to let the engine run for ages to bake it a few times.
a heat gun is the mans version of a hairdryer - if you use that, the blowing air risks burning the pain and it won't spread well.
i literally used a closed lid 4 burner bbq.
keep it hanging off the lid so it doesn't touch anything and do that. chuck it in and forget about it for 10 minutes, twice. it'd be half an hour of tedium using any kind of handdryer and it wont get hot enough to bake the paint.
remember these are the paints used on exhausts where they say to let the engine run for ages to bake it a few times.
Re: CJ250T - Aussie Cafe Racer - First time Builder...
Good call. BBQ it is...
How would you go about baking the frame?
Good call. BBQ it is...
How would you go about baking the frame?
sebatron
Coast to Coast
Re: CJ250T - Aussie Cafe Racer - First time Builder...
a bigger bbq
you could probably do it in halves, with one part sticking out. it wouldn't be obvious and it'd probably work.
otherwise, find a nearby powder shop and ask to borrow their oven
i might do that on my next. VHT high temp, heatcured, is resistant to pretty much everything. i'd prefer that over appliance epoxy in any case...
a bigger bbq
you could probably do it in halves, with one part sticking out. it wouldn't be obvious and it'd probably work.
otherwise, find a nearby powder shop and ask to borrow their oven
i might do that on my next. VHT high temp, heatcured, is resistant to pretty much everything. i'd prefer that over appliance epoxy in any case...
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Now that I found a gun metal grey colour I'm so sorted! Been searching high and low for one that isn't a cast iron colour...
6 burner BBQ? hahahaha probly just go to a powdercoater... cant cost too much to get it baked... may as well do the lot if I'm gunna take the frame to them!
Now that I found a gun metal grey colour I'm so sorted! Been searching high and low for one that isn't a cast iron colour...
6 burner BBQ? hahahaha probly just go to a powdercoater... cant cost too much to get it baked... may as well do the lot if I'm gunna take the frame to them!
Re: CJ250T - Aussie Cafe Racer - First time Builder...
So I figured what better way to get an answer than to actually ring the manufacturer of the paint!
Customer Care for White Knight Paints responded well to my question:
"Baking temp should be at least 160 degrees c but should not go over 200, so a temp of around 180 is sufficient. The temperature should not be applied dramatically, so put the article in the oven and then turn it on to the temp required. Time for part to heat should also be included in the overall time that it should be kept at 180, that time being around 30mins."
So there you go. (rhetorical answer) lol... If you want to use this high temp paint on a part that isnt subjected to heat, stick it in an oven at 180degrees, NOT preheated for at least 30mins, say 35-40mins by the time the actual metal can heat up slowly to 180...
So I figured what better way to get an answer than to actually ring the manufacturer of the paint!
Customer Care for White Knight Paints responded well to my question:
"Baking temp should be at least 160 degrees c but should not go over 200, so a temp of around 180 is sufficient. The temperature should not be applied dramatically, so put the article in the oven and then turn it on to the temp required. Time for part to heat should also be included in the overall time that it should be kept at 180, that time being around 30mins."
So there you go. (rhetorical answer) lol... If you want to use this high temp paint on a part that isnt subjected to heat, stick it in an oven at 180degrees, NOT preheated for at least 30mins, say 35-40mins by the time the actual metal can heat up slowly to 180...
