The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?

[jag767]

Re: The Amalgam: Cb450 frame, cbr500r motor. What could go wrong???

Thanks xb when you compliment someones work i know its meant in earnest.

Hahaha it will come out with the 2 mounts i have done not using plate, but it is not easy! I will try and answer everything.

There is also a mount at the bottom of the case in the rear, all done, just have to box it out with 12ga.

The rake/trail has been gone over, and i will be adding .38 trail with my wheel choice, otherwise good to go.

I dont see why the wheel alignment would be off. But of course i will verify.

If i cradle back under the motor it will be impossible to remove, this is why i planned on just strengthening the rest up a ton.

 

[jag767]

Re: The Amalgam: Cb450 frame, cbr500r motor. What could go wrong???

Threw the new sprocket on, fits beautifully! Now that i have that done, i broke her all down to focus on the frame. The motor will be going back in and out so i can verify it can still be removed once i brace it all up. Also the 2nd downtube is slightly racked, need it bolted to the motor when i tack it in place.

 

[xb33bsa]

Re: The Amalgam: Cb450 frame, cbr500r motor. What could go wrong???

you will be fine it looks like with a chain slider on the swinger
anmd you can put the skateboard wheel up under the pivot area make it adjustable
be prepared to put a spring loaded job on there you might want that but you can check and see how much slack variation you have now ,its a chore should be done now along with placement of rollers
if you dont you will be back tracking
i can guarantee the frame is not perfect vertically wheels after all you cut it in half, all moist :-*, but its an easy check with a framing level set the rear on vertical check the front
if using wheel rim edge steering needs to be dead ahead
i skipped this vertical check on the african twin and there is still a launched in fury piece of iron sticking thru the rollup
i had to backtrack like a motherfacker ,thats all,see
but its easy

 

[jag767]

Re: The Amalgam: Cb450 frame, cbr500r motor. What could go wrong???

you will be fine it looks like with a chain slider on the swinger
anmd you can put the skateboard wheel up under the pivot area make it adjustable
be prepared to put a spring loaded job on there you might want that but you can check and see how much slack variation you have now ,its a chore should be done now along with placement of rollers
if you dont you will be back tracking
i can guarantee the frame is not perfect vertically wheels after all you cut it in half, all moist :-*, but its an easy check with a framing level set the rear on vertical check the front
if using wheel rim edge steering needs to be dead ahead
i skipped this vertical check on the african twin and there is still a launched in fury piece of iron sticking thru the rollup
i had to backtrack like a motherfacker ,thats all,see
but its easy

I thought about doing a chain slider, but I figured if I do the skateboard wheel I won't need it?

So if in all likelihood it is off, how would I go about bring it back to square?

 

[xb33bsa]

Re: The Amalgam: Cb450 frame, cbr500r motor. What could go wrong???

I thought about doing a chain slider, but I figured if I do the skateboard wheel I won't need it?

So if in all likelihood it is off, how would I go about bring it back to square?

a slider on the swinger will just make it more pleasant to ride if its a slapper quieter
with a stationary roller there is only so much slack you can relieve at full droop
i found on my sl350 if i tried to take out all slack and that is the amount of slack that is needed,then it would hammer tighter on the roller as swingarm went up
but i had 1'' longer shocks so a good amount of droop and slack variance
im just saying now is the time to observe so you can do welding if needed all at once
if the frame is off enough to bother you it will be twisted in the backbone and
i lashed my frame to my bike lift upright but lashed with chains and turnbuckles with nice heavy anglle iron going from rear motor mount out to lift edge so all triangulated and turnbuckles to pull it down tight
then a big ass bar thru the frame at headstock heat backbone red hot and twist
you can try it cold first
but the way io did it was handy cause the frame and rear wheel were in upright position i had forks pulled up to keep front wheel up in air
so could pull twist measure relatively easy and quick
if you dont have a lift chain the turd to a telefone pole, late at night
anything to resist what yer twist

 

[xb33bsa]

Re: The Amalgam: Cb450 frame, cbr500r motor. What could go wrong???

turd means i like it

 

[jag767]

Re: The Amalgam: Cb450 frame, cbr500r motor. What could go wrong???

a slider on the swinger will just make it more pleasant to ride if its a slapper quieter
with a stationary roller there is only so much slack you can relieve at full droop
i found on my sl350 if i tried to take out all slack and that is the amount of slack that is needed,then it would hammer tighter on the roller as swingarm went up
but i had 1'' longer shocks so a good amount of droop and slack variance
im just saying now is the time to observe so you can do welding if needed all at once
if the frame is off enough to bother you it will be twisted in the backbone and
i lashed my frame to my bike lift upright but lashed with chains and turnbuckles with nice heavy anglle iron going from rear motor mount out to lift edge so all triangulated and turnbuckles to pull it down tight
then a big ass bar thru the frame at headstock heat backbone red hot and twist
you can try it cold first
but the way io did it was handy cause the frame and rear wheel were in upright position i had forks pulled up to keep front wheel up in air
so could pull twist measure relatively easy and quick
if you dont have a lift chain the turd to a telefone pole, late at night
anything to resist what yer twist

Ahh got it. Yes I will air on the side of caution and do everything now rather than later. That's what I figured you meant with the wheels being off just wanted to make sure. You got me thinking about strengthening the backbone now particularly because of the "do it while you're there" factor, any suggestions?

 

[jag767]

Re: The Amalgam: Cb450 frame, cbr500r motor. What could go wrong???

turd means i like it

Lol! Oh its a turd all right.

 

[xb33bsa]

Re: The Amalgam: Cb450 frame, cbr500r motor. What could go wrong???

Ahh got it. Yes I will air on the side of caution and do everything now rather than later. That's what I figured you meant with the wheels being off just wanted to make sure. You got me thinking about strengthening the backbone now particularly because of the "do it while you're there" factor, any suggestions?

i dunno its hard for me to visualise when i am not seeing it close up orrrrrrrr.... fro instance ,you bogartedley horde all the good goddam frame images ,festus
kickdown bra, pitchurs matter

 

[jag767]

Re: The Amalgam: Cb450 frame, cbr500r motor. What could go wrong???

i dunno its hard for me to visualise when i am not seeing it close up orrrrrrrr.... fro instance ,you bogart all the good goddam frame images ,chester
kickdown bra, pitchurs matter

;D I'll take a few more of it tomorrow with better angles of the backbone.

 

[jag767]

Re: The Amalgam: Cb450 frame, cbr500r motor. What could go wrong???

Strengthening the backbone is very straight forward once i looked at it, just need some larger OD tubing and i can cut it up and piece it in. Should be strong as hell. I chopped as much as i could out of the bottom of the frame so the motor goes in and out easier. Its a tight fit, but the best way i found is scissor jack the front and rear of the frame way high, put the motor in turned 90°, then rotate it and lower the frame down slowly. It all clears, only just. I have to strengthen the rear lower mount after chopping the shit out of it. The radiator now fits as if it was made for the frame, and the hoses route easy enough. I have a long list of welding to do, but i will start by getting the other downtube completed.

 

[CarbsAndCylinders]

Re: The Amalgam: Cb450 frame, cbr500r motor. What could go wrong???

I just discovered your build, very interesting.

 

[jag767]

Re: The Amalgam: Cb450 frame, cbr500r motor. What could go wrong???

I just discovered your build, very interesting.

Thanks!

Started the other downtube and getting them even is a pain in the ass. I think I'm there, and everything is ready to get tacked, but I'll look at it with fresh eyes in the morning and make sure before i start welding. Usually the shit you hurry at the end of the day is what you have to fix the beginning of the next, I've learned better!

 

[xb33bsa]

Re: The Amalgam: Cb450 frame, cbr500r motor. What could go wrong???

frikkin awesome !
dont worry about them being even with each other like sim-metrtikal a lot of frames are not by design get the fits at the welds with minimal gaps wide gaps cause crooked frames
besides nobody will ever say its uneven,they wont see it, after they say how awesome it is
i did a similar frame well similar in that went from kx500 single doewntube frame sideport motor
to a double down and under because the maico spider motor that went in is center port
still have it,i call it maikawi i'll show it off sometime lots of titanium and handmade shit weighs 218 with 2.8 gallons of fool

 

[jag767]

Re: The Amalgam: Cb450 frame, cbr500r motor. What could go wrong???

frikkin awesome !
dont worry about them being even with each other like sim-metrtikal a lot of frames are not by design get the fits at the welds with minimal gaps wide gaps cause crooked frames
besides nobody will ever say its uneven,they wont see it, after they say how awesome it is

Haha i spent an hour trying to make them 100% exact, i think i got 95% and i will cheat the rest with a little jb weld to trick the eye ;D. I was going to run a cross member joining the wishbone to the old single downtube for added security, but i dont have the room with the radiator fan shroud. I think i will just gusset it instead.

 

[jag767]

Re: The Amalgam: Cb450 frame, cbr500r motor. What could go wrong???

i did a similar frame well similar in that went from kx500 single doewntube frame sideport motor
to a double down and under because the maico spider motor that went in is center port
still have it,i call it maikawi i'll show it off sometime lots of titanium and handmade shit weighs 218 with 2.8 gallons of fool

Thats awesome would like to see it!

 

[jag767]

Re: The Amalgam: Cb450 frame, cbr500r motor. What could go wrong???

Guess who missed a set of motor mounts and has two thumbs? This guy! No idea how to get there, and i am not entirely certain i need to.

 

[CarbsAndCylinders]

Re: The Amalgam: Cb450 frame, cbr500r motor. What could go wrong???

Sheista

 

[jag767]

Re: The Amalgam: Cb450 frame, cbr500r motor. What could go wrong???

So the downtubes are mostly welded in, and the motor goes in and out pretty easy. Have to say i am quite pleased with myself. Never did this much frame work on my own before. Between all the notching, fitting, notching, put the motor in, fitting, removing the motor, notching, slugs, and welding, i got the job done.

There is still a long list for this frame, i have to box in the bottom motor mounts, a whole lot of well placed gussets, strengthen the backbone, make another set of motor mounts (possibly 2, unsure yet), fab up another radiator mount, grind them all smooth and body work the frame, make a battery box, then off the podwercoat!

 

[HerrDeacon]

Re: The Amalgam: Cb450 frame, cbr500r motor. What could go wrong???

Have to say i am quite pleased with myself.

As well you should be, this is some great work!