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Yes, the purpose of the co-op is to partially defray the cost of the space for my motorcycle shop and allow me to have a larger shop with more and better equipment. I expect that the co-op will draw more business to the shop, too. There will always be times when guys get in over their heads and need help.
 
Reds and Sonic are making very good points. When I did the survey, I selected the cheap membership option, which for my current situation is the only one that made financial sense. My main attraction to this idea is to learn from other members' expertise, and hopefully pass on what I've learned. I've only been wrenching on bikes for 2 years (but no stranger to a toolbox; previously into building Jeeps). While I've learned a lot about motorcycles, I've learned a lot the hard way, by failing and doing it over. I would enjoy the opportunity to learn to make my projects easier by learning from others. At my income, I need another monthly payment about as much as I need to be stabbed, but if I consider what I'd gain from the time, it sure beats the hell out of a gym membership. Any $75 or less a month option could feel like money well spent, as long as I'm making mental and mechanical progress and have the access to tools I don't own.

Over the past two years, I have been doing my wrenching in my basement. It is a pain to get bikes in and out, but being able to work all winter and work as late as I want to more than makes up for it. Most of my hours tinkering with my bikes are the same hours other people spend at the bar. Sonic is dead on about his timeframe suggestion.
My toobox has at least doubled in size since I started my first bike, and tools have often been a bigger chunk of the budget than moto parts. My cousin, brother-in-law and best friend have all recently bought "project bikes", along with another cousin that has an itch to wrench on his Mazda. We have all discussed the possibilty of splitting or renting a larger workspace to work on both cars and bikes. With 3 project bikes in the basement currently, things are getting pretty tight space-wise, and something like your plan is the perfect transition between the basement and our own "garage". So, for someone like me, or my group, the possibilty for residual income for a hackerspace would be a great opportunity but may not be long term, unless we build relationships in that facility that are worth the price of continuing to work there.

When I consider the price of going up a membership option or two, I would consider taking machining/welding/painting classes etc. instead to learn the skills I need to work on. Combine that with 5 guys paying $50-$250 a month each, and each learning individual skills, we could have a very serious setup of our own to work in within a few years. When I consider that, the success or failure of a local hackerspace will depend on continually attracting new "users" and their ability to build working relationships with the "veterans" that also use the space. It could be a tricky balance between having a quiet shop, a comfortable shop or a crowded shop.

In Cincinnati, I've heard about a group trying to put together something similar. I am interested in the idea and would spend some time there, but I haven't heard any news lately about it being up and running or well-attended. One thing that the group does do though, is have wrench-and-learn sessions, that seem to be increasing in popularity. Maybe something along those lines might help you determine if the hackerspace will live up to it's potential to be worth the effort.

Pardon my rambling, I hope this is helpful in some way.
 
Membership gives you access to the tech seminars, welding, metalworking, etc.

Yeah, if three guys pooled 250/mo for three years, they would have maybe half the amount of tools that the DIY shop has right away. Do you really think three guys could spend three years, saving $250/mo each to equip a shop. You know, when you get that shop, it's not going to be free, right?

My first shop was $250/mo, and it was 800 sq ft. It was a dump in the worst neighborhood. I spent 1 1/2 years renovating the space and buying tools. Then I had a nice, if small shop, in a neighborhood that some of my friends refused to ride their bike to.

So, to have my own shop, I worked hard for a year and a half to build it and buy tools before I was even able to begin the first bike project. And I was paying $250/mo the whole time. I would have happily paid $250/mo to have a fully equipped shop with expert guys around. I wouldn't have had to spend the bloody fortune I have invested in tools, now.

But look at the membership levels again. The tourer class membership at $125 might suit you better than you realize. Also, the builder class membership can add a second person for only $75. That's $325/mo for two guys. That's only 162.50/mo each. You get to share a dedicated 12' X 20' space with a lift table, bench, compressed air and plenty of power. You get access to sandblasting, painting, powdercoating and metalworking shops. All for 162.50/mo. Sounds like a great deal to me.
 
This is what my first shop looked like when I moved in:

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This was after it was all insulated, new drywall, and painted:

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It was a lot of work. I did it all myself.

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I spent 2 weeks just doing the floor.

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Once I filled it up with stuff, it didn't look so big anymore.

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^ very cool before & after. Yeah, I see what you're saying about the value of the shared space, and I agree you are getting a hell of a deal, as well as the experience. I was just explaining over long-term, I'd love to be able to get my own space with a couple buddies to work in. A hackerspace like you're proposing seems like a perfect transition from where I am now to where I want to be in the future.

A friend of mine actually works professionally in a computer-oriented hackerspace and it seems to be a cheaper way to run his freelance business, plus the networking within that space is an added bonus. My summarized point was that you will likely have a lot of revolving-door customers, and the challenge would be to consistently keep enough bays active to keep the space alive. Your customers will pay the rental of the space only until their project is complete or until they decide go "pro" on their own. Like I said before, I love the concept and I hope it works out.
 
I'm hoping that the social aspect of the co-op will keep members interested. It's not at all out of the realm of possibility that a members only "biker bar/grill" could evolve out of it, even to the extent of becoming a multi-location or chain kind of business.
 
Is there an active VJMC group in your area? Those guys drive biz to us as well and group rides from the shop don't hurt.
 
That is a GREAT idea. Nearest "field rep" is nearly an hour away in New Jersey, so there is nothing near me, but what would stop me from becoming a field rep and starting my own chapter?
 
I know. If there would have been something like this 8 years ago when I started buying tools and equipment, I would have joined in a heartbeat.
 
I get that a lot. Particularly, from people in my area that live IN the city. An urban location would probably be best for this kind of thing, but I don't want to commute into town each day, and a decent neighborhood is prohibitively expensive. I may still consider a location in the city if I don't get the deal that I want on the space that I am considering.
 
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