Another Honda CB400F cafe racer

swan

Kickstart, shift on right, drum brakes and spokes
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Thanks Worst. Thinking hard about the 305.

This CB400F is up for sale and I will let you know how it goes.

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/mcy/3732892913.html
 

braveg

New Member
Damn, if only shipping this bike to SA didn't cost as much as the bike I would buy it in a heartbeat! Crank up that price man, someone is getting it at waaaay too much of a bargain :eek: beautiful work, I have 4 of these babies in my garage in various stages of restoration and I know just how much work goes into doing a build of this quality, the new owner is going to be a lucky, lucky person.

Well bloody done!
 

Maritime

Active Member
I sooo wish i had the dough to take this off your hands Swan, it is a super fair price for that bike! I want one badly, but I have no disposable income for it and won't for at least another 2 years. Maybe the next time you flip one I will be ready.
 

NeightRG

New Member
Renting the same workshop as Swan, I've had the privilege to watch this build (and plenty more of his work) very closely. Whoever buys this bike is in for a real treat.
Top Gear fans will know what I mean, when I say that the sound of that 4 into 1 exhaust with the repacked Dunstall style muffler really brings on "the fizz"
Not even my bike, and it'll be hard to watch it leave the shop.
 

MotorbikeBruno

New Member
Was looking through CL today and saw your bike. Amazing for sure. I hope this goes to a good home, and gets ridden, if I had the cash I'd be all over this thing as I've ONLY heard good things about how they ride. Good luck with the sale man.
 

swan

Kickstart, shift on right, drum brakes and spokes
DTT BOTM WINNER
Thanks all. I have had several nibbles, but no bites yet on the sale. I may go to E-bay next.
 

hondacycle

New Member
swan said:
Thanks all. I have had several nibbles, but no bites yet on the sale. I may go to E-bay next.
NeightRG said:
I'll be watching this build very closely... Closer than most. Looking good.
Hi my name is Norman.

I am currently working on a 76' CB400F. My delima is, does this engine require 8 valve stem seals or 4? I noticed the intake valve guides are different from the exhaust valve guides. I have a genuine Honda Service Manual as well as a Haynes Service Manual. The Honda manual say's it requires 8. The Haynes manual say's it requires 4. If it truly only requires 4, Which side do they go on intake or exhaust. Now I did attempt to install all eight, however when the seals are placed on the exhaust side the inner valve spring is rubbing on the valve stem seal. HELP!
 

o1marc

New Member
swan said:
Thanks all. I have had several nibbles, but no bites yet on the sale. I may go to E-bay next.
I tried to pull up your ad but it says it was flagged and removed
 

M. Wolfe

New Member
swan said:
I am having a challenging time getting my bike to idle correctly with individual K&N pod filters. There are dozens and dozens of threads online (Do the Ton, SOHC, Yahoo Auto Groups, et al) discussing this very problem and most say it cannot be done. It can be done and I have successfully run pods on three other CB400f's using stock exhaust, dropping the needle clip one notch and running 80 or 85 main jets. This bike has a repacked Dunstall replica muffler (which sounds awesome!), stock 4 into 1 header, 80 main jets, raised the needle one notch (lowered the clip, enriching the mixture to compensate for more incoming air) and a #38 pilot jet. I have quadruple checked timing, ignition, valve clearances and confirmed there are no vacuum leaks. The carbs, floats levels all passageways etc have been meticulously cleaned several times and set to spec. I am at 700 feet elevation and it is generally in the 50's farenheit when I am doing test runs and plug chops. The bike runs extremely well above the idle circuit, but down low it idles high, hangs, then drops down to a too slow of an idle. This has nothing to do with mechanics of the carbs (slides, springs, throttle cables etc) I believe one or more of the pilot jets are fouling, causing the idle to drop. This has made synchronizing the carbs at idle difficult.

Well, last night I did a series of compression tests with the engine cold, wide open throttle (WOT), cold with a bit of oil squirted into the cylinders and WOT and after I ran the bike around for awhile. Cylinders 1,2,3 were consistently in the 130's psi on all tests with my cheapie compression gauge. Cylinder #4 was 75 psi cold, 85 with oil added and 80 psi after running, telling me there was a leak in the valves, not the rings or cylinder on #4. I checked the torque on the cylinder head and all bolts were tight and to spec. There are no air leaks around the cylinder head or gasket area. So, off with her head-I ripped her down to lower end last night. I knew the chamber of cylinder #4 had some pitting and corrosion which came with the bike. I did lightly lap the valves with rough and fine compounds when I rebuilt the motor.

#4 on the right, note the pitting.

What I discovered was some of the pitting and corrosion was also in the inlet valve seat of #4, allowing for a slight leak, causing the low compression reading. In a dark room, I shined a strong led flashlight into the inlet and exhaust ports and discovered two tiny light leaks on the inlet valve seat, the culprit of my compression leak. If I did it right the first time, I would not be doing this now.


I am meeting with a machinist friend today who has the proper sized valve seat cutters. Hopefully, we can lightly cut the valve seat in order to remove the two small areas of pitting without having to replace the whole valve seat (time and $$$$).

As long as I am at it, I am replacing the kick start quadrant with a slightly used one with better splines than my original.


With 4 cylinders of even compression I should have an easier time dialing in and synching the carbs and fixing the idle problem. I'll post my results, stay tuned....
I am a new biker and i know that is not easy to get fixed on your bike.. hehe.hehe.
 

swan

Kickstart, shift on right, drum brakes and spokes
DTT BOTM WINNER
I do not want to deal with E-bay. I rode it yesterday and this is such a great bike, but I need to let it go. Relisted it on Mpls Craigslist:
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/mcy/3875009767.html
 

swan

Kickstart, shift on right, drum brakes and spokes
DTT BOTM WINNER
Almost sold her today, but the buyer backed out, he liked it but was not sure what he really wanted. No hard feelings and I want to make sure the next owner is 100% satisfied before they plonk down cash. I will call back the next person in line to by it.

I installed a Dyna electronic ignition and the bike has never ran better. Wow, it really makes a difference and I will use EI on future Honda builds.
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/mcy/3875009767.html
 

Maritime

Active Member
Damn swan I hope you sell it to someone who wants it as bad as I do.

Sent from my MB525 using Tapatalk 2
 

redlabel

New Member
Hi Swan!
Love the build and quality of your bikes!
Can you get original Honda jets in the correct size if you run pods and aftermarked exhaust?
I have been looking at these kits from Sigma on e-bay but not sure about the quality.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB400F-CB400-CB-400-Four-Type-F-F2-Carburetor-Carb-Stage-1-3-Jet-Kit-/230962601062?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35c6719c66&autorefresh=true
 

redlabel

New Member
redlabel said:
Hi Swan!
Love the build and quality of your bikes!
Can you get original Honda jets in the correct size if you run pods and aftermarked exhaust?
I have been looking at these kits from Sigma on e-bay but not sure about the quality.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB400F-CB400-CB-400-Four-Type-F-F2-Carburetor-Carb-Stage-1-3-Jet-Kit-/230962601062?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35c6719c66&autorefresh=true
Hi again..
Found the partnumber for the Honda Slow jets in #38. It's 99124-076-0380 so now I only need for the mains.......maybe a size #85 on the main.?
 

redlabel

New Member
redlabel said:
Hi again..
Found the partnumber for the Honda Slow jets in #38. It's 99124-076-0380 so now I only need for the mains.......maybe a size #85 on the main.?
......and the main #80 har partnr.: 99202-601-0800
 

swan

Kickstart, shift on right, drum brakes and spokes
DTT BOTM WINNER
Sold, (finally) to a cool guy in the Twin Cities. Took him out for ride along the river and I know by the smile on his face it was going to be his. I shall be starting CB400F restoration #5 next month and start another thread. Thanks all!
 

fenixv8

New Member
Dont mean to intrude on this thread but i am in a bit of a bind and this thread is the onlyone that I can find that related to my issue. I bought a 1977 CB 400f and it had a really free flowing exhaust and shitty pods on it.
It was running rich all around plugs fouled. I ordered a keyster kit (before reading this thread) opened the carb up and realized a keyster kit was probably installed on it. I replaced all the internals of the carb with stock honda parts now and it still is running way to rich.
 

swan

Kickstart, shift on right, drum brakes and spokes
DTT BOTM WINNER
Do you still have a free flowing exhaust and shitty pods on it? If so, you will need to make adjustments to accommodate them.
 

MotorbikeBruno

New Member
fenixv8 said:
Dont mean to intrude on this thread but i am in a bit of a bind and this thread is the onlyone that I can find that related to my issue. I bought a 1977 CB 400f and it had a really free flowing exhaust and shitty pods on it.
It was running rich all around plugs fouled. I ordered a keyster kit (before reading this thread) opened the carb up and realized a keyster kit was probably installed on it. I replaced all the internals of the carb with stock honda parts now and it still is running way to rich.
If you have stock parts...and you are running rich, it's more likely a setting you have missed/screwed up ;) I'd assume float height and mixture screws as the first culprits. And to check the slide needled to verify they haven't been set far too rich (clip towards the BOTTOM of the needle if it has the adjustable clips)

Swan, I saw your ad on CL for the 400. She's a beaut.
 

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