HollywoodMX's xv920/TR1 Cafe super-dupe!

Thanks guys! I know its tough.. Even you guys are like at a 50/50 vote..

@Focus: I have clear, black and silver ceramic paint. I planned on silver or natural with clear, the pipes came black stock.

@Pat: The new ones were "hovering and propped" in place through gypsy magic. They definitely could be adjusted accordingly. The bike is low but not as low as others, I can increase the front height maybe a 1/4 more inch too.

I definitely like the looks of well executed modern pipes on vintage bikes. I think some of us including myself are torn because the vintage pipes are not 100% perfect but we just don't know it. I think they need to be modified like everything else in this build. I'm thinking of cutting the all or most of the cone end off so its more megaphone like or cut the cone end and weld in a more upside down tear drop exit. I think that would make it a harder decision.

Earlier today I was thinking vintage was better but re-looking it now I like modern slightly better...lol
 
Looking good man! Good to see your progress as I'm only about 2 weeks behind you in progress. I'm banging my head on the little pieces as well.
 
Just caught up, hell of a build thread man!

Normally I dislike modern cans, but I reckon they suit your bike better, if my $0.02 means much to you . Maybe the megaphones would suit, if they had a little more up sweep?
How far off would a sound comparison be? Although I can imagine it's going to sound rad either way.
 
Nuckingfuts said:
Looking good man! Good to see your progress as I'm only about 2 weeks behind you in progress. I'm banging my head on the little pieces as well.
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Oh don't under estimate how far I'm behind..lol. man I spend hours on dumb stuff I swear...and there's a lot more room for dumb stuff to do yet!
Bootsey said:
Just caught up, hell of a build thread man!

Normally I dislike modern cans, but I reckon they suit your bike better, if my $0.02 means much to you . Maybe the megaphones would suit, if they had a little more up sweep?
How far off would a sound comparison be? Although I can imagine it's going to sound rad either way.
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Thanks man well your swinging the vote to modern!!

I do have sound clip last year before the engine build and different carb setup part way through the build.

http://youtu.be/MOqTcg2paMI
 
Not sure if anyone knows but I'm thinking 4 inches of travel shoukd be enough? But I'm not 100 percent sure. That's the best spot for the suspension reservoir. I can put it in one more place but it's less desireable.

The shock is pretty stiff because it's meant for a heavier bike mind you and for that bike it was considered soft stock. I have one very close but stiffer on my other xv and it's again pretty stiff because that bike is heavier.

I spose i couod find math for spring rate vs bike weight and backwards calculate from stock values to the weight difference.

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HollywoodMX said:
Not sure if anyone knows but I'm thinking 4 inches of travel shoukd be enough? But I'm not 100 percent sure. That's the best spot for the suspension reservoir. I can put it in one more place but it's less desireable.

The shock is pretty stiff because it's meant for a heavier bike mind you and for that bike it was considered soft stock. I have one very close but stiffer on my other xv and it's again pretty stiff because that bike is heavier.

I spose i couod find math for spring rate vs bike weight and backwards calculate from stock values to the weight difference.

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4" of travel should be more than enough. Most stock / OEM and aftermarket [ except off road ] shox are only 3" travel.

Spring rate is more important to get right, especially with adjustable dampening.
 
beachcomber said:
4" of travel should be more than enough. Most stock / OEM and aftermarket [ except off road ] shox are only 3" travel.

Spring rate is more important to get right, especially with adjustable dampening.
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Ok Thanks man.

I looked up the spring rates. Racetech says I need to go from 12kg to 14.7. For both bikes. It's already too stiff at 12 on my tracker but it doesn't have the modern front suspension like this bike.

Probly what I will do next is return the shock to factory settings and tune from there.
 
With that being at the front of the tire too I'd imagine you probably have more like 5" of travel at the top center of the tire, which is probably way more than enough (either way).
 
claytonisbob said:
With that being at the front of the tire too I'd imagine you probably have more like 5" of travel at the top center of the tire, which is probably way more than enough (either way).
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Ya good news. One less thing to worry about.
 
Which shock was that from again?
My '99 Triumph 955i is significantly more stiff and with the same clearance which is more than enough for our set up.
 
Nuckingfuts said:
Which shock was that from again?
My '99 Triumph 955i is significantly more stiff and with the same clearance which is more than enough for our set up.
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07 1050 triple. I agree mine are stiff too. I think racetech's spring rate calculator is full of shit..
 
Aside from the spring rate calc....... Did you go thru their (RaceTech) suspension instructional and set the proper sag and rebound for the front and rear? That's the nice thing about fully adjustable suspension is the fine tuning, but all the adjustments are for nothing if you don't know what your tuning. If that makes sense. As for your exhaust choice, I'm not feeling the flat black reverse torpedo/megaphone cans you had on there. The sportier newer style cans looked right at home tho.
 
HollywoodMX said:
07 1050 triple. I agree mine are stiff too. I think racetech's spring rate calculator is full of shit..
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I believe that the Racetech calculator presumes the stock application no? I have a 500cc interceptor that I adapted a cbr600 rear shock for, ( I also did race tech emulator for the forks) speaking with the race tech people on the phone, they could only calculate/recommend spring rates for the cbr600 shock in its stock application. The different link system leverage on the interceptor prevented an assessment.
The stock cb600 spring in my application now is very stiff. (I have no cbr600 to measure the linkage from to get an assessment of the progressive and leverage differences.) THe overall package now front and rear is much stiffer that original, and feels harsh, though it does not upset or change my lines through bumpy curves.
 
High On Octane said:
Aside from the spring rate calc....... Did you go thru their (RaceTech) suspension instructional and set the proper sag and rebound for the front and rear? That's the nice thing about fully adjustable suspension is the fine tuning, but all the adjustments are for nothing if you don't know what your tuning. If that makes sense. As for your exhaust choice, I'm not feeling the flat black reverse torpedo/megaphone cans you had on there. The sportier newer style cans looked right at home tho.
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No sag yet done yet. Many other things to sort out first. But I don't think sag can be properly calculated at this point. Thanks for the vote on the exhaust.

RR100 said:
I believe that the Racetech calculator presumes the stock application no? I have a 500cc interceptor that I adapted a cbr600 rear shock for, ( I also did race tech emulator for the forks) speaking with the race tech people on the phone, they could only calculate/recommend spring rates for the cbr600 shock in its stock application. The different link system leverage on the interceptor prevented an assessment.
The stock cb600 spring in my application now is very stiff. (I have no cbr600 to measure the linkage from to get an assessment of the progressive and leverage differences.) THe overall package now front and rear is much stiffer that original, and feels harsh, though it does not upset or change my lines through bumpy curves.
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Ya it does but you can fully alter the weight of the bike and rider. I thought the triumph triples were non linkage but they are linkage so the spring rate cannot be properly calculated now. It's been so long since I bought this stuff I forget things.

More research required now.
 
Based on the votes modern exhaust it is. I did Jimmy things to be closer to how it would look based on someone's comment earlier.

Tried the x on the tie rods and I think I like it. Oil cooler mount 50 percent done.


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I'll be interested in seeing your remote rez mount as I'm kicking around ideas this week. I'm leaning toward a simple cylinder sleeve that I can weld to subframe.
 
Nuckingfuts said:
I'll be interested in seeing your remote rez mount as I'm kicking around ideas this week. I'm leaning toward a simple cylinder sleeve that I can weld to subframe.
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If you look at my tracker thread you will see that way. This one my exhaust is in the way so I will use my subframe as a mount.

I got distracted this weekend. Worked on the Kz. Finally got the new carb to run I need a separate build thread for it tho.

https://youtu.be/Kt1CxK_eIus
 
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