Is valspar any good?

That's ridiculous! Should be $100 to $150 for a single coat color. An extra $30 or so for a two coat color.

I once did tank and fenders for $350. The cost was because they were wet sanded and buffed after coating for a super high-gloss mirror finish. It was a lot of work, because powder is much, much harder than paint, and buffing was very time consuming.

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Yea i ran out the door with the bird flying behind me. It was obvious he was just trying to take advantage.
 
Alphadog, you are right about the toxins. That is exactly why I stopped working in body shops. A lot of people say that in another decade, the whole industry will be using water base systems. Several of the big manufacturers have been using water base paints for years now. All major paint manufacturers are developing water base systems because it is inevitable (due to government regulation). The industry is resistant to the change because it is expensive to refit their shops with the proper equipment for water base systems--but eventually they will not have a choice. The quality of the water base systems has improved by leaps and bounds over the last 20 years. Today's base coats are probably just as good as their solvent based counterparts. And they have no time windows. I often use water base or water borne base coats. Many say water base clear coat systems have not evolved enough to catch up the solvent base clears but they soon will. Sorry if I got a little off OP subject.
 
It's fine. Has been very informative. How are water based paints? Sonething i could learn on? I have a monster compressor and a simple spray gun from HF
 
The_Stache said:
It's fine. Has been very informative. How are water based paints? Sonething i could learn on? I have a monster compressor and a simple spray gun from HF
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Check out Eastwood. It's really not that different. You just want good air flow to help the drying process. It's a two step process with a base coat and clear coat. Regardless of how it sounds, waterborne paint is still toxic as hell. The major reason for the shift is VOC's which have more to do with the environment. There not good for either, though. Something people ignore, is that acetone, methyl acetate, and T-butyl acetate are all toxic as hell and don't count toward a VOC count. So a paint can have them, like waterborne paint, and be considered low VOC. Also, as in body work and paint, the bigger issue is the particulate. If you look at the MSDS for any paint, you'll find a laundry list of carcinogens. DuPont's Cromax Pro, has several like barium sulfate, carbon black, aluminum oxide (yes aluminum oxide), Ethylene glycol mono butyl ether, naphtha, etc, etc, etc. http://pc.dupont.com/dpc/en/US/html/visitor/common/pdfs/b/product/dr/MSDS/US_en_GNRC_26-0_RFN.pdf A lot of people, especially small shops, ignore or just don't have clue how to read an MSDS. They usually ignore, or don't understand exposure limits. Toxicity is based on exposure limits. You will not get cancer or brain damage from painting a few motorcycles in your life. Especially if you wear a decent P95 respirator which you can get for $35. Personally, I wouldn't worry about it. Get the paint you want. You're getting advice from guys that do it for a living and are in it 40+ hours a week, so their exposure is much more significant.
 
Water base paints are easy to paint. The process is a bit different. Instead of a couple wet coats, you build up several even light coats. And there is no need to sand before clearing. As with any paint, just read the tech sheet. Not all brands are meant to be sprayed the same. I've gotten great results with water based base coats. I haven't used water based clear coats as they are expensive because they are not yet widely used. I will include a pic of a bike I painted with water based paints. This pic was taken two years after I painted it.
 
Wow thats beautiful. I'd be astounded if my paint looked anywhere close to that good.

So what do you use over the water base?
 
Clearing over water based paints is no different from most other base coats. On motorcycles I prefer to use House of Color UC-35. It is a catalyzed urethane and was developed for use on motorcycles and boats. It is very resistant to fuels and solvents. I don't have trailor queens. I ride the piss outta my bikes. So I need a durable finish that I can rely on. I think there are two key factors when painting bikes. Proper prep work. And a catalyzed top coat. Of course, it's always important to take steps to protect youself from exposure any toxins.
 
You're making this way too complicated. Spray even a mediocre quality spray paint from the autoparts store. Order yourself some Spraymax 2K from amazon. Get a good respirator mask. The whole thing should cost no more than $75 to paint a tank, seat and a couple of fenders.

Read the rattlecan bling thread, in its entirety.
 
Yup. I'm pretty sure any spray can clear that is two part is labeled 2K.
 
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