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Next, the rest of the engine. Think I'm going to have to beg for some @Hurco550 two-smoker knowledge.
Nice job on the carb! I really enjoy looking at the inner workings of those little tillotson carbs. Made right here in Ohio, Toledo if i remember correctly.

If the cylinder hasn't already been bored, I'm sure you plan to take it over to Chris at MototechUSA. He did your 378 barrels I believe? I will likely soon have a dr650 cylinder to take to him as well.

Not sure how expensive pistons are or how hard they are to come by, but if you can get away with just one overbore instead of that .070" over, i would do so, and just stick that one on your shelf. Who knows you may wear out a piston and need to go one bigger someday. 2 stroke engines eat themselves by design and I would always go up overbores at the minimum increments. Seems a waste to machine clear past so many sizes, especially if .070" takes it out close to the end of its usable life. Of course if you want to bring the cylinder over, I would be happy to put the bore gauges on it and see. And thats all just my 2 cents. That and 57 cents more will get you a senior coffee at the golden arches ;)
 

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Nice job on the carb! I really enjoy looking at the inner workings of those little tillotson carbs. Made right here in Ohio, Toledo if i remember correctly.

Thanx! Yeah, I was pretty impressed w/ the thing; seems much more simple than many that come on two-wheelers. I can't help but wonder if a brace of two or four of them would work well in MC use?

If the cylinder hasn't already been bored, I'm sure you plan to take it over to Chris at MototechUSA. He did your 378 barrels I believe? I will likely soon have a dr650 cylinder to take to him as well.

Yeah, that ship has already sailed. Back in '15 after it arrived I took Brownie over to meet Chris and the bore was done then.

Not sure how expensive pistons are or how hard they are to come by, but if you can get away with just one overbore instead of that .070" over, i would do so, and just stick that one on your shelf. Who knows you may wear out a piston and need to go one bigger someday. 2 stroke engines eat themselves by design and I would always go up overbores at the minimum increments. Seems a waste to machine clear past so many sizes, especially if .070" takes it out close to the end of its usable life. Of course if you want to bring the cylinder over, I would be happy to put the bore gauges on it and see. And thats all just my 2 cents. That and 57 cents more will get you a senior coffee at the golden arches ;)

I don't remember what the price on the thing was, maybe $62? Back in '15 it was a relatively easy find on eBay. I don't know if they are as plentiful now. My thoughts are that if I can get these hundreds of pieces back together and make it a successful, useful venture, I'll keep eyes open for good deals and store up a small collection of appropriate parts, including an additional engine, to stash away for future needs.
 

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Those are neat carts. We had one at an amusement park in the 70s. The forward/reverse cycle was unique at that time. Southeast Harley in Bedford Heights, Ohio sold carts and I'm pretty sure they sold more carts than bikes. They still have a "Golf Car" company listed next door. You might be able to find parts there.
 

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I find it can be feast or famine for the bay and parts. I keep reminders on thenhard to find stuff.
 

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I find it can be feast or famine for the bay and parts. I keep reminders on thenhard to find stuff.
Hear ya on that. I've gotten what I would call killer deals on things over the years but usually because I put a watch on them and then wait until the great deal pops up and I jump on it.
 

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Those are neat carts. We had one at an amusement park in the 70s. The forward/reverse cycle was unique at that time. Southeast Harley in Bedford Heights, Ohio sold carts and I'm pretty sure they sold more carts than bikes. They still have a "Golf Car" company listed next door. You might be able to find parts there.
I'll try and check them out. I was surprised to find a fairly decent amount of parts available out there on eBay and various golf cart parts houses. I checked out some web groups and joined up at Buggies Gone Wild because they seemed to have a more vibrant Harley cart community than the others. Ha! "Vibrant community" is all relative, though. Compared to DTT, Buggies Gone Wild is a ghost town. But then again, if you compare DTT to BMW MOA it's amazing. It's not uncommon there to see more posts in an hour than we get here on a busy day.
 

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No pix today. Maybe I'll go out a click a couple... we all like pictures more than words on here, right? :)

It's an important day for this project though. I got a signed Bill of Sale this morning. For a motorcycle or car it's a bit more difficult to get a title, as many of us have experienced. A few years ago I did find out from a friend who works at the title office that many states don't title vehicles beyond a certain age so if you bring one in from one of those states you need to have a signed bill of sale noting the manufacturer and serial/VIN number and how much you paid. Take it to one of many places that does "inspections" and pay them $5 for a little slip of paper that verifies that the number on the BoS and the stamped number on the vehicle match. Take your documentation to the Title Office along w/ the amount of $$ for the appropriate amount of tax and you SHOULD be able to get a title for your hulk. I say "should" because it seems that many of the Title Office people are less ambitious and find it's easier to just say No than to research things for you. Fortunately my friend is willing to help out and make things work. In the case of this beast, because it is a golf cart it never would have had a title issued regardless of the original state it was sold in. The BoS and inspection are required but with those in hand a title for it should be forthcoming. Once I've actually got a title for it the way it set to getting it inspected and certified to be street legal. Without having it titled the whole project comes to a screeching halt.

When I stopped by to have the guy sign the BoS I printed out he had the front end pieces for me. Oh boy... pretty rough! The two side pieces aren't bad, some elbow grease and paint will probably get them going, but the main center piece will need to be replaced. Fortunately I shouldn't have too much trouble finding a replacement.
 

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So, pictures promised. They ain't that great, but y'all would rather look at one picture than read a thousand words, right?

These are the two outside front pieces.

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This is the center section and the damage on it:

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And an extra little part that's supposedly pretty hard to come by:

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I'll keep plodding along.
 

Rider52

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Good luck on the title. When I lived in Ohio it was nearly impossible even when you took a copy of the regulations in with you.
 

ridesolo

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Good luck on the title. When I lived in Ohio it was nearly impossible even when you took a copy of the regulations in with you.
Probably the biggest positive of the whole thing for me is that my wife use to work there and we still have a very good friend who works there. She won't break the rules for me but she'll do anything she can w/in the rules to get it done. * The whole thing w/ golf carts on the streets is big around here right now so they seem to be prepared for it and do what they are suppose to. HOWEVER... I'll be happy and willing to put more time into the thing when that part of it is accomplished.

*If you are in Ohio and have title work that needs done and it's legal but your local folks won't lift a finger. Contact me, I might be able to help but you'd probably have to come here to do it. Ustawas Ohio would only let you do title work in the county of residence but a few years ago they changed over to "cross county titling" so it no longer matters where you go to get it done.
 
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* Ustawas Ohio would only let you do title work in the county of residence but a few years ago they changed over to "cross county titling" so it no longer matters where you go to get it done.

Good thing too. There's been several times Marion has told me "tough" on something, and a trip to Mt. Gilead yields a title in hand with no issues.


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Our Kawasaki Mule has a title but no registration (Tennessee). I bought my RD400c in Ohio with a notarized BOS only. Filled in TN paperwork, called Sheriff's office to set an appointment to bring it by for VIN check, they sent a deputy out in less than 15 minutes. He looked at the VIN, reported it to the office, they ran the numbers, he signed the form within five minutes of arrival. After that we talked bikes for a while. A couple weeks later, I took the paperwork down to the courthouse, paid the fee and taxes (one-time only sales tax here) and it was registered with the tag from a bike I had sold a month earlier. Maybe ten minutes. A new title came in the mail the next week. All this during Corona 2020.
 

Maritime

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It's like that here. I had to go in 3 seperate times to title my bosses bike we imported. Even with the rules in front of 2 seperate clerks they wouldnt do it. 3rd time was fine because that clerk knew howm
 

ridesolo

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There has certainly been a lull in activity on this beastie for a a time. Chalk it up to cold/snow/weather, another project, and indecision. More on that in a bit.

Yesterday I got The Word on how to get this thing titled and plated to be used on the streets here in town. There are three items that must be completed:

1. Must have a signed Bill of Sale w/ the VIN/serial number, purchase price, & signature of the seller. GOT IT.
2.
Inspection verification. This one is easy; a person certified to do so merely signs off on a little form that the VIN/serial number on the frame is the same as what's shown on the Bill of Sale. No Problem
3.
Inspection by the local PD to confirm that it's in compliance w/ applicable state and local laws for this type of vehicle; windshield, headlight, tail light, brake light, turn signals, brakes, horn, seat belts, Not yet and a long way off.

Here's the problem. My Title Office contact confirms that ALL of the above three steps have to be completed before it can be titled and plated. So far I've only rebuilt the carb and done lots of research because I didn't want to invest any money or time into it w/o knowing I'd be able to actually plate it and use it on the streets. We could really put the thing to good use for three months here in town; Mrs Ridesolo enjoys her yard work and gardening and has an almost constant flow of things for the city compost collection area and we'd enjoy loading us and the dog onboard for evening cruising.

If I were doing a motorcycle or some other standard motor vehicle I would only have to go through the first two steps above to be able to get title for the thing and then proceed to the build knowing that I wasn't wasting time and money. The first two steps are no problem but there's a long way to go to get it to the third step and then there's no guarantee, after a full-on project, that the thing will meet the local PD's requirements. I guess I need to have a conversation w/ somebody at the PD to find out if things are cut and dried "fill the squares" or if there is any subjectivity involved.

As noted above there have been some factors; Weather: Ha! Nothing unique there, seems like the whole country has had a tough winter! Let's face it, what a great way to cap off a truly sucking 2020. It's been bad here for sure, worse than some places and far better than some other places. What a terrible year to stay in Ohio rather than escaping to Dixie, though. Next, a major project: I'm just finishing up a gut job kitchen renovation on my sister in law's kitchen. Tile floors, design, procurement, electrical, cabinets, etc. Somebody else is going to do the countertops then I'll do the tile backsplash and be finished. Ok, time to get back to projects in my shop! And finally the aforementioned indecision. Do I really want to do this thing? Almost everything needs blasted. It isn't really rusty just weathered and needing attention. The engine will need split for new crank bearings. Body work prep and paint. Design the required electrical from scratch and implement. Achieve 99.9% reliability from a 53 year old two-smoker because Mrs will want to climb onboard and go and know she won''t be stranded somewhere.

So... what to do???? Suck it up and proceed with the previous plan? Find a running example and swap out the unique metal non-golf cart body parts? [This may or may not be difficult as I'm not sure the wheelbase is the same. If they are all the same it would involve swapping out the rear 'glass golf body for the metal utility body. If this one has a longer wheelbase because of the utility body I'd still have to swap the functional running gear into the chassis I have, perhaps a better situation because it's at least be starting w/ an already functional drive train.] Or would it be best to just drop the whole idea and unload the thing to somebody who wants a project?
 

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I'd get with the local PD and verify the requirements. Does it need to be completed and fully operational before their inspection? Or can it pass inspection As Is, but with the requirements met?
 

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I'd get with the local PD and verify the requirements. Does it need to be completed and fully operational before their inspection? Or can it pass inspection As Is, but with the requirements met?
I'm awaiting an answer to an email I sent to them yesterday. It needs to be complete and fully operational to go through their inspection I'm sure. I could probably get away w/ having it together and running but not painted. Therein is the main issue for me. I need to know that it's pretty much a "check off the boxes on required items" inspection. I don't want to put all the work into it and then be told that they won't allow a 3-wheeler, tiller steer or something else that I can't change.

Assuming that it would pass their inspection in it's current configuration we have talked about trying to find a running one in fair shape that I could swap out parts; take off the fiberglass golf body and replace it w/ the metal flat bed service car body. (I think the frame for this one is longer than the golf model but I could fairly easily swap frames and make it all work.)
 

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Still no response from the local PD... no surprise.

I got things more tidied up, took pix, and made a For Sale listing on Craigslist yesterday. Will see what happens.
 

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LMK if you want the same post put up on FB marketplace. Id be happy to do so with your contact info.
 

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LMK if you want the same post put up on FB marketplace. Id be happy to do so with your contact info.
That would be great if you don't mind. Search on Mansfield CL, shouldn't be too hard to find. THANX!
 

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