Range Rover Runs Down Bikers in N.Y.

This whole incident happened so fast and with traffic it would have still taken the cops time to get to the scene.
Let me put this scenario out there, if the cops pulled into the crowd of moving bikes how many of them would have been quick to pull out of their way? Reports said a large number of the bikers were wearing masks and and had no or stolen or improper tags on their bikes.
 
This was posted elsewhere but was pulled from you tube probably due to the fact that it didn't lend good light to the same group of riders. This was filmed by the same guy that filmed this weekends incident. This was their ride in 2011 showing once again what good law abiding riders these guys are. Thank God for LiveLeaks or I wouldn't have been able to find it. I can't even count how many laws were broken in this few minutes.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=81e_1380656714
 
I'm sure there are a few good guys in the group ! But all of us know if one of those guys got T-boned by a car ( or hopefully ) something bigger they would all be crying it was the cages fault !
 
When they start pounding on the car in the intersection in the second video you can clearly see the car has the green light.
 
Two words: self defense. I think the RR driver controlled his emotions rather well following his escape. Shows his character. Case closed.
 
The guy who bashed in the window was not criminally negligent. That was done with intent. Without any doubt it was felony assault. Everyone in that pack was just as guilty. It's the same principle as when someone is with someone who commits any crime. They're guilty also. When you have a pack like that, a pack .mentality develops. A, "watchagonna do aboutit," attitude. I am all for self-defense, but the real question is what can be done about this sort of thing. The problem is a certain portion of society has no respect for anyone or anything. Where do you start to lessen the number of people Sith this attitude? A part of society has drifted and this is just a symptom.
 
The answer is simple - ban motorcycles in groups of more than say 2. Not my idea, but you can see some politician asking for it. That is likely to the the outcome if these thugs don't learn that they are hurting things for themselves and the rest of us.

I got it. We need a large group ride to box in those other guys group ride...............

The rel problem is that the law is based on a population who generally agree to abide by the laws. In this case, quite a large group are saying that they are above the law and that creates the opportunity for all sorts of inappropriate "solutions" including bans and police checkpoints and the issue with that is that any group of law abiding citizens will be treated as if we were that group of thugs.

So let's say the answer is rolling road blocks and vehicle checks. Fine if they manage to stop the idiots, but imagine a group of us having a pleasant legal ride to a ride or to Rockerbox in WI or something similar and being treated as criminals. That would suck and would probably put many bikes into the impound lot for various infractions.

Expect to see increased police activity which the LEO community doesn't need and neither do we. Maybe the cops need an insider to tip them off so they can just round up all those bikes and impound them all. I can't imagine that would be good for teh rest of us though.
 
teazer said:
The answer is simple - ban motorcycles in groups of more than say 2. Not my idea, but you can see some politician asking for it. That is likely to the the outcome if these thugs don't learn that they are hurting things for themselves and the rest of us.

I got it. We need a large group ride to box in those other guys group ride...............

The rel problem is that the law is based on a population who generally agree to abide by the laws. In this case, quite a large group are saying that they are above the law and that creates the opportunity for all sorts of inappropriate "solutions" including bans and police checkpoints and the issue with that is that any group of law abiding citizens will be treated as if we were that group of thugs.

So let's say the answer is rolling road blocks and vehicle checks. Fine if they manage to stop the idiots, but imagine a group of us having a pleasant legal ride to a ride or to Rockerbox in WI or something similar and being treated as criminals. That would suck and would probably put many bikes into the impound lot for various infractions.

Expect to see increased police activity which the LEO community doesn't need and neither do we. Maybe the cops need an insider to tip them off so they can just round up all those bikes and impound them all. I can't imagine that would be good for teh rest of us though.
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In this case LE was aware of the run and had check points set up at the bridges. The cops waited till the ride got to the destination and then ended up confiscating 55 motorcycles, arresting 15 riders and issuing 68 summons. The problem arises when the bikes get to a check point those that know they are illegal and will be impounded scatter and run. When the cops give chase they go down sidewalks and anywhere else they can fit and the cops can't to avoid them. This in turn puts public safety at risk which is why the cops have been ordered to not give chase to apprehend which gives the criminals all the more motivation to not worry about their behavior, It's a vicious circle that I don't have an answer for.
 
buckeyebike said:
Two words: self defense. I think the RR driver controlled his emotions rather well following his escape. Shows his character. Case closed.
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My god, a reasonable man.
 
Wonder how these guys would feel if say 4 of them where out riding and 30 tuner cars did the same ?

I'm from the Akron area and the Star Boys ran crazy on the HW . I can't tell you how may times I would be pulled over just because I was on a sport bike .

Don't know if there is a Answer ! One could say if a few got shot doing this or killed by a car would work or like Teazer said and some Uninformed Politician bans group rides because of asses like this it hurts all ! Never thought growing up on sport bikes that they would be come a problem like this !
 
I see videos on Instagram all the time from a friend in Brooklyn, they stunt up and down the highways. Dirt bikes, quads, sportbikes, the works. They act like they own the highway.

Dude in the RR, protected his family, simple as that.
 
I'm glad to see that on both of the bike forums I frequent most that none of the members are defending the bikers. I don't think there was ever any question that the RR driver shouldn't be charged with anything. He should be given ownership of all the bikes that were confiscated from the rally.
 
Move this to a separate thread if it needs. On a side issue, I have always had issue with the fact that in 99% of cases of rear end collisions it is the rear vehicle that takes the blame. The law says you should keep 2 seconds between you and the driver in front of you. What happens when, as in this case, you are maintaining your 2 seconds and someone pulls into that space and the driver immediately in front of that vehicle suddenly brakes. You no longer have the safe distance needed to come to a safe stop without impacting the dunce who stole your safe zone. I spent my late 20's in L.A., there's no way to maintain a 2 second space because someone is taking that space every chance they get. If you slow to get that space back eventually you will have to stop on the freeway and not advance at all. The only way to get out of being found at fault was to have independent witnesses back up your claim. Thankfully with today's technology and the high usage of video cameras this can be proven more easily. I'm sure that Chris Cruz thought he had himself a nice lawsuit going for being rear ended. Unfortunately for him this video came forward and instead of a lawsuit he will be defending himself (unsuccessfully I think) against a list of charges.
 
Celebrity attorney Gloria Alred is now spinning the whole deal with the guy that got ran over as he was an aspiring rapper, he was trying to stop this from happening, his life is now ruined.

Also, it came to light that there were several undercover police officers, and ununiformed officers involved with the incident, none of which attempted to prevent it.
 
There were several officers who were claimed to be members of one of the clubs involved. Only one has been determined to have been there, witnessed the beating, and did nothing for fear of blowing his cover though he was not investigating his club. It was not reported that the other officers were undercover in the club, merely that they were members.

This is an interesting blow by blow account. I question the part about Chris Cruz having 2 broken legs. I don't remember in any of the initial reports that he had broken his legs, only that Mieses had 2 broken legs.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/217012.php
 
The article I read said there were several ununiformed officers there during the incident. Could be wrong, who knows.
 
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