"the Mooch"

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carnivorous chicken said:
American institutions seem to be holding... for now.
The judiciary seems to be holding the line but the legislators will need to wake up.

In the meantime, those Mexicans don't seem to be taking the fence seriously.
Photograph by Guillermo Arias of an artwork by French artist JR on the US border at Tecate, Mexico
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carnivorous chicken

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In the meantime, those Mexicans don't seem to be taking the fence seriously.
They (we?) aren't. Everyone here knows it's just symbolic, and it's a symbol of a shitty attitude toward Mexicans. Public art is everywhere here -- strong tradition of murals, of course -- including a pretty funny billboard of Trump as an alien from "They Live."





Absolutely insane earthquake here last night, strongest in a century. Wildfires, hurricanes, earthquakes -- must be end times.
 

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DPRK is Nonconstitutional (yes the spelling IS correct) period. What DJT etal did was exactly what Obama warned about when he committed this act of socialism... stop blaming DJT for something he didn't start, but simply corrected.


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stroker crazy said:
The judiciary seems to be holding the line but the legislators will need to wake up.

In the meantime, those Mexicans don't seem to be taking the fence seriously.
Photograph by Guillermo Arias of an artwork by French artist JR on the US border at Tecate, Mexico
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Nearly ever other country on the planet has borer control, why should we even consider and open border policy... it's like the ship is sinking so fill the lifeboat so full it sinks also... idiocy.


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carnivorous chicken said:
I have been telling people here that at least American institutions seem to be holding... for now.
It just sets the stage for DJT to do the same as OB1 and bypass the court and congress and use his pen. I don't think anyone wants more of that.


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Tune-A-Fish© said:
DPRK is Nonconstitutional (yes the spelling IS correct) period. What DJT etal did was exactly what Obama warned about when he committed this act of socialism... stop blaming DJT for something he didn't start, but simply corrected.
You're not making any sense. The DPRK has a constitution. What act of socialism did Obama commit toward North Korea? What policy of Obama's toward North Korea is Trump correcting?

Tune-A-Fish© said:
Nearly ever other country on the planet has borer control, why should we even consider and open border policy... it's like the ship is sinking so fill the lifeboat so full it sinks also... idiocy.
The US currently does have border control, although if the US does actually try to build that idiotic wall they will certainly need "borer" control. An ineffective and expensive wall is not "border control." Nobody sensible is claiming the US should have open borders -- this is right wing hyperbole and exaggeration meant to stoke fear, much of it based on racism (They're bad hombres. They're rapists). The repeal of DACA is essentially people who came to the US as kids, grew up in the US and view it as their home, and know no other country, and kicking them out to appease a white nationalist base. DACA kids are no more likely to commit crimes than any other demographic, and right now right wing media such as Brietbart and the Washington Examiner are spreading lies and misinformation about this.

I mean, it's tough to keep somewhat informed but it's worth a shot.
 

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I think he was saying that Obama's creation of DACA was unconstitutional and that Trump was simply undoing something that he argues was not the way that rules should be introduced, so don't blame Trump for that. I think that's the argument.

However, since congress can't seem to get anything passed, what's a president to do?

It seems to me that times have changed and while congress was incapable of getting immigration reform done - it's complex - maybe the country generally feels differently now and maybe this time congress will manage to pass something.
 

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OK, sure, I get it, but 71% of dems and 46% (a plurality) of reps support DACA. Fifty-six percent of the general population supports DACA, 18% support legal residency, and only 15% support deportation, according to polls. Trump campaigned on dreamers not having anything to worry about (add yet another lie, I suppose). And evidence shows that dreamers don't commit a higher proportion of crimes that others (and if they commit serious crimes, they lose their status and can be deported), and they work.

But asserting that it's socialism? How does that work? Asserting that because it's "nonconstitutional" it shouldn't be policy? Does every policy have to be explicitly mentioned in the Constitution for it to be valid? DPRK aside, these are things that don't make any sense.
 

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carnivorous chicken said:
OK, sure, I get it, but 71% of dems and 46% (a plurality) of reps support DACA. Fifty-six percent of the general population supports DACA, 18% support legal residency, and only 15% support deportation, according to polls. Trump campaigned on dreamers not having anything to worry about (add yet another lie, I suppose). And evidence shows that dreamers don't commit a higher proportion of crimes that others (and if they commit serious crimes, they lose their status and can be deported), and they work.

But asserting that it's socialism? How does that work? Asserting that because it's "nonconstitutional" it shouldn't be policy? Does every policy have to be explicitly mentioned in the Constitution for it to be valid? DPRK aside, these are things that don't make any sense.
Regardless of who supports what, it's Congress' job to pass legislation in regards to it. Trump has put the ball in their court.
 

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Regardless of who supports what, it's Congress' job to pass legislation in regards to it. Trump has put the ball in their court.
True, to a degree -- congress will need to pass legislation or pass the buck. But the Trump administration is refusing new applications so it is already affecting people. And permits will begin expiring March 6, 2018, unless something is done. Imagine living here your whole life and not knowing where you will be in 6 months?
 

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carnivorous chicken said:
True, to a degree -- congress will need to pass legislation or pass the buck. But the Trump administration is refusing new applications so it is already affecting people. And permits will begin expiring March 6, 2018, unless something is done. Imagine living here your whole life and not knowing where you will be in 6 months?
I get that. That's the sole purpose of Congress. They need to do their job.
 

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Ope... y'all got the Pope on yer side now, guess you really want to wipe ass with our constitution now. ❄'s and winters coming


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Tune-A-Fish© said:
Ope... y'all got the Pope on yer side now, guess you really want to wipe ass with our constitution now. ❄'s and winters coming
I think the pope hasn't been happy with Donald Trump from day one. There was the whole sexual assault thing, the affairs, the unfettered greed coupled with ripping people off, the white supremacy, you know, the sort of "non-Christian" stuff that Trump does that doesn't seem to bother his evangelical base, and the kind of stuff that Trump supporters seem to be willing to overlook because he's done such a great job. Remind me again, what are some of his accomplishments? You're cute when you're all deflecty, boo!
 
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