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i just finished doing my head gasket and in the process painted my motor i also replaced all of the gaskets except the base gasket. just wondering if i should be putting any sort of sealant on these? i have heard mixed reviews from people.
obviously not putting anything on my head gasket but what about my side covers and valve cover etc.( my valve cover has no gasket so i assume it should get something.
also which type of sealant, i assume like a permetex black or grey or RTV or something.
Also whats recommendations on case bolts? loc tite? i have also heard mixed reviews. i replaced all of them with Z1 Stainless hardware and i think i am going to throw blue loc tite on all of them. or maybe purple on some.
any input is appreciated as i am putting it all back together tonight.
Not that I really know anything, but when I did my side covers I used Permatex gasket cement. Dont know if it helps or not but it put my mind at ease, and also helps hold them in place while putting the bolts in. Just my 2 cents.
If you put the thread locker on the bottom threads it will work its way to the top and you'll have a mess. If I were putting my motor back together with stainless hardware I'd use a dab of anti seize and torque to spec.
i just finished doing my head gasket and in the process painted my motor i also replaced all of the gaskets except the base gasket. just wondering if i should be putting any sort of sealant on these? i have heard mixed reviews from people.
obviously not putting anything on my head gasket but what about my side covers and valve cover etc.( my valve cover has no gasket so i assume it should get something.
also which type of sealant, i assume like a permetex black or grey or RTV or something.
Also whats recommendations on case bolts? loc tite? i have also heard mixed reviews. i replaced all of them with Z1 Stainless hardware and i think i am going to throw blue loc tite on all of them. or maybe purple on some.
any input is appreciated as i am putting it all back together tonight.
Dude. Fer fuck sake, google and download a service manual. These questions are mostly answered there. You SHOULD NOT be building an engine without a service manual.
Places where there are no gaskets require Hondabond.
Stainless fasteners must ALWAYS have anti-seize on them. The stainless will tend to cold weld to other metals, and strip out the threads on later removal. Just keep in mind that anti-seize reduces the required tightening torque by about 20%, so don't overtighten things.
Dude. Fer fuck sake, google and download a service manual. These questions are mostly answered there. You SHOULD NOT be building an engine without a service manual.
Places where there are no gaskets require Hondabond.
Stainless fasteners must ALWAYS have anti-seize on them. The stainless will tend to cold weld to other metals, and strip out the threads on later removal. Just keep in mind that anti-seize reduces the required tightening torque by about 20%, so don't overtighten things.
is this a forum for discussion? or a direction to a service manual? I have the manual. I am NOT going to the dealer to buy HondaBond, I am looking for PEOPLES OPINIONS on running NO gasket sealant and just dry gaskets VERSUS a Permatex substitute as a gasket sealant. but don't worry Alpha I got it all sorted.
You renewed head gasket but not the base? Ready for some oil then? The gaskets are only intended to use once. When you de-torque the head after 30 years, the tension comes off and than when you re-torque it with the same gasket, 9 out of 10 you will have a leak.
You renewed head gasket but not the base? Ready for some oil then? The gaskets are only intended to use once. When you de-torque the head after 30 years, the tension comes off and than when you re-torque it with the same gasket, 9 out of 10 you will have a leak.
NO SILICONE SEALANT on the bike. It globs into the engine, clogs oil passages.
ADC is on the money.
How do I know? I used to use RTV, etc. When I opened the engine, little globs and balls of the rubber were through out the engine. Cars use this on valve covers, but the valve covers have lips on them to prevent this. the MC engines don't.
Use the right stuff and the engine will not leak, and not fail. Do it wrong, and you are wasting engines, time, and ruining your Karma.
I am NOT going to the dealer to buy HondaBond, I am looking for PEOPLES OPINIONS on running NO gasket sealant and just dry gaskets VERSUS a Permatex substitute as a gasket sealant.
Why won't you buy HondaBond? It's like $12 a tube. What's the big fuckin' deal? It is what you are supposed to use. FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS IN THE MANUAL. It calls for HondaBond. So, what's the deal? Have you pissed off your dealer by asking stupid questions, so go to eBay and buy it, or use SuzukiBond, or YamaBond.
Dry gaskets are OK, but I like to coat gaskets with teflon paste, so that future tear downs the gasket releases from the parts intact and can be reused. Head gaskets I coat with spray copper/shellac gasket sealer. Head gaskets only get used once, generally.
Dry gaskets are OK, but I like to coat gaskets with teflon paste, so that future tear downs the gasket releases from the parts intact and can be reused. Head gaskets I coat with spray copper/shellac gasket sealer. Head gaskets only get used once, generally.
I am sorry you thought I was arguing I was not trying to come off this way.
Your above statement is EXACTLY what i was looking for in my first post. What you like to do with your own stuff/your opinion.
I am not trying to argue I just wanted peoples opinions not a "Go read the manual" post.
As for the Hondabond I don't want to drive 45 Minutes to my dealer to get it when I was hoping to get a similar aftermarket product at a local store within 5-10 minutes of my house. And i would like to have the motor together sooner than waiting 2 weeks from eBay for a tube to ship up.
If it is THE ONLY option then I will do that, I just figured someone would have a Permatex alternative.
And with the Loc tite/anti seize stuff i am clueless as i have never installed stainless hardware into aluminum. I have only used Loc Tite and anti seize separate.
There is a substitute for HondaBond, but I forget what it is. :-\
I hear ya on the long trip to the dealer. I call my HondaYamaZukiSaki dealer when I need something, and they ship it to me. So happens one of the guys who works in the parts department drives past my shop on his way to work, so he drops things off. It's sweet!
There is a substitute for HondaBond, but I forget what it is. :-\
I hear ya on the long trip to the dealer. I call my HondaYamaZukiSaki dealer when I need something, and they ship it to me. So happens one of the guys who works in the parts department drives past my shop on his way to work, so he drops things off. It's sweet!
I may have been a wee bit cranky this morning. I had an 8 AM dentist appointment and had no breakfast. Didn't eat until 1 this afternoon, after which I was more friendly.
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