Kawasaki 250 F11B - dads old bike

[hillsy]

Those indicators look like they have the smaller 10w bulbs in them (the older stock ones would be 21w and they are longer). These may not draw enough power to activate your flasher relay (they didn't on my XT500). You can either look for a no load 6v flasher relay, or put some resistors in-line to increase the current draw.

Or maybe the stock 6v bulbs will fit in there??

 

[jaderd]

yeah im not too sure....for $25 im not too worried if i butcher them playing around to fit globes in etc or the options you stated above


from the photos it appeared size wise mine might fit as those indicators although they look small are 6cm wide by 4.5cm high, which is not all that smaller than the stock round ones which are prob a 6.5 - 7cm diameter.


time will tell...hope its a simple bulb swap.

 

[jaderd]

Quick update, i have won everything on ebay as above other than the mesh headlight covers...they are fair sought after as fit all the holdens and fords of the late 60's early 70's and i like things cheap


ontop of the above i have been hunting different rear shocks on ebay all the time as my rear springs are rubbed back as all the chrome was rusted and pitted etc and the bump stops are shagged....from looking at them im pretty sure mine arent rebuildable, unless someone knows otherwise ? all i really want to do is pull apart to add bump stops.


Anyway they are 13.5" eye to eye and on ebay last night popped up some 1979 KL250 rear shocks 12$ buy now so i snapped them up, $25 or so once added postage.


they measure 15.5" eye to eye i think which should bring the back up a little as it has always looked like it sits fair low plus i weigh around 85kg so some extra height would be great. Cant find any stats on travel distance but id guess it would be more like 5" compared to the current 4"


So this weeks mail should have around 5 different items within which is great.


i picked up the CRF handle bar guards, quickly rubbed back (with a too low grade sandpaper so scratchy lol) and rattle canned black, they fit perfect but only look "ok" bit too new look and batman like.....i think i will just get others or whack them on when going riding, will see how they look with everything else once back together.


Cheers

 

[jaderd]

Nice amount of post arrived home today.


The petcock filter arrived along with the speedo/tacho NOS shieilds and the KL250 shocks.


Also i found some of the headlight mesh guards i have been looking for incl postage for a good price so they are on their way via express post.


Shocks are slightly longer which is great, best aspect though is that on the softest setting they are stiffer than the stock shocks on their hardest setting.
Springs are 60mm diameter as opposed to stock of 50mm. I like the way they look tougher and more enduro whilst stock looked a bit cruiser like. Also the springs themselves still have the chrome with no rust, the stock ones i had to actually sand the chrome away to get rid of rust and pitting, very happy with these new ones.


Does anyone know how to take apart the old tacho / speedo ? the silver back comes off no prob and then there appeared to be a fair bit of green like sealant stuff that sealed the screws that hold in the actual mechanism internal and then seals the internal case onto the plastic casing, it appears the plastic casing is then fused around the casing ? do you have to chip away the plastic to pull it apart then reseal it yourself afterwards ? they must be made to come apart. mine doesnt look exactly like this one below, mine seems trickier


http://users.telenet.be/tups/speedo.htm


My dad was chatting with my uncle last night (his younger brother), he owns dad old 1972 suzuki TS185, he wants me to restore it once i have done mine and he will fund everything, so looking forward to that once mine is complete.


some pics below


Cheers

 

[jaderd]

Quick update, 7" oversize headlight gaurds arrived today, mocked one up on front, fits fairly well, also sat guard on and tested gauges, all looked goo and new ears keep headlight in closer not sticking out from of gauges by much more than 2cm. Also tested throttle and brake lever, all fits perfect behind the CRF handle bar guards and they are looking better the more I add parts, once chunky front tread on should all tie in nicely, like the contrast of chrome n black


Cheers

 

[jaderd]

Ok so the indicators arrived and are sweet, but globes from my indicators fit perfect just that they are too tall by around 6-8 mm and i cant put the lense back on.


My globes say 6V17w on them so figured thats what they should be and thats what my wiring diagram states.


Now the wiring diagram for the road going F11 250 TR only has 6V8W globes which are nice and small and would fit in the indicators great, now the only difference in the two wiring diagrams that i could see other than horn diff of .5amp and different look of voltage regulator, seems to have an extra switch within it in the 250 TR (need someone to tell me if that is significant) is that the turn signal relay is then a 6V8W X2 + 1.5w


So do you think if i swapped relays to that 6V8w version which i guess is below and changed my globes to 6V8W in indicators they would fit and all would be sweet?


From looking at parts manual online for the 1974 F11 (same as mine) the relay is part no 27002-013 RELAY-TURN SIGNAL


no the part below on ebay states the same number: 6V/8W MATCHES KAW PART NO. 27002-010/013 though is in 6V8W which makes me think it is interchangeable ?


and this little chart makes me think if i change the turn signal relay and globes it will work, seems most kawasaki were the lower watt option


ure and Emgo # OEM Ref Application Volt/Watt
A. 66-86706 38310-428-671 Honda - most 6v models 6v/17w
B. 66-86716 27002-010/013 Kawasaki - Most 6v models 73-84 6v/8w



Any info would be great


http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/KAWASAKI-FLASHER-UNIT-6V-8W-/190554312339?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c5dec0e93#ht_500wt_1156

 

[hillsy]

I would just try your current indicator relay first (who knows - you might get lucky). Otherwise, your reasoning with switching to the lower load relay is sound and should work.


Or you could change the resistor inside your current relay to mimic the lower load relay, or add resistors to the indicators to increase the load to the relay - but these options are not for the electrical novice.


Also, you might find a 6V relay off a quad bike / pit bike / small trail bike that has a lower load (and will probably be cheaper than an original Kawa relay).


Like this:


http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FLASHER-CAN-6V-2PIN-VARIABLE-WATTAGE-/200541428215?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2eb13359f7#ht_782wt_907


Or this:


http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-DT50-Round-Flasher-Relay-Unit-6V-2-x-10W-QM10B-/300513309225?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item45f7fd3229#ht_1566wt_1141




EDIT: I just noticed that you had found a Kawa relay for cheap anyway :-[

 

[jaderd]

Cheers for info mate.


yeah sounds good ill wait until i get to that point and just buy some of the 6V8W globes so i can see how it goes.


the indicators were only 25$ and relay $10 so if i can get 4 globes for another $15 or so its around a $50 outlay to get new style indicators, about how much i want to spend on that aspect

 

[jaderd]

Scored this Joe Rocket replica super sport jacket on ebay last night, very cheap compared to orig retail price.

picking it up this evening.

Also i got my learners permit yesterday so very happy about that.


For those OS or interstate Victoria's process is quite good i think.


My learners permit i must hold for a min 3 months or a max 15 months before i go for my licence, once i get my licence i dont have to display any P plates as already have full car licence, just have the usual restrictions for 12 months like everyone else, 0.0 BAC, LAMS approved bike, no pillion etc, once the 12 months of actual licence are up the restrictions lift.


Ill keep my learners for a while as i prob wont be on the road for three months when in theory i could progress to full licence if wanted to, will see.

 

[jaderd]

also just won this baby on ebay dirt cheap.....under half the retail mentioned below and in as new condition!!

http://shop.sydneycitymotorcycles.com.au/p/563472/dririder-climate-2-jacket-textile-black.html

 

[andycafe]

who's a happy camper then......... ;D nice jackets...

 

[jaderd]

Getting even happier now andy



Was thinking about my tacho / speedo and i know the speed doesnt work for some reason or another and is a vac sealed unit from factory.


Pretty sure i should be replacing tacho cable and speedo cable (might fix problem) etc but adds more cost....i just ordered a new front brake cable


Sooooo


i bit the bullet and order a Trailtech Vapor (stealth black) Unit


does speed / Revs/ motor temp / ambient temp/ clock and heaps more, shift lights


internal 3v battery


Though to use the full backlight ad warning/ shift lights needs 12V input
straight from trailtech they reccomend as the cheapest easiest is to use a standard 9V battery with connection from radioshack, hide it away and it will run the unit perfect with backlight etc for around 1 year....very cheap fix for 6V bike guys like me and you dont have to splice into any bike wiring...completely independent.


Complete kit including postage and Top mount dashboard only $170 fro ebay shop in the UK, pretty cheap and cheaper than the trailtech site without even including postage.


I measured my stock guage mount and the top mount i bought fits perfect using the left tacho mount hole and right speedo mount hole and clears the ignition perfect. I will wait until i get a replacement mount before i cut off the other tabs or i have another idea lined up for there use, will see what pans out....


all going well....wallet getting thin

 

[jaderd]

quick question,

i checked tolerances of rear swing arm bushes etc and are all fine to use.

what i would like to know is what grease to ppl reccomend for the following and can you use one type for all ?, some quick reading ive heard you need to watch drop point temps of grease,waterproof ness of it etc.

Wheel Bearings ?

Swing Arm ?

Steering head bearings ?

and any other stuff you think i need greased as i reinstall over next few months

any reccomendations on brand and type would be great and am budget oriented....its not going to be a daily motocross thrasher etc...

 

[jaderd]

back to indicators for a bit


spent some more cash lol, the other day i was looking on ebay for the 6V8W globes and harldy any came up and if they did they were over $5.00 each.


i had some other indicators in my watch list for ages and now that i have got the 6V8W flasher on the way i thought i would buy these indicators below at only $25 for 4 incl postage and the guy has heaps more sets they are 6V8W and include globes.


They mount different to the other ones i got so with my stock ones, the set i bought the other day, the relay and this set i think i have everything i need to get something working well


all for around $60.00 so not too bad.

 

[julian5000]

Hey Jaderd, looking good man. I use Belray Waterproof grease for wheel bearings, swing arm bearings etc. They sell it at my local bike shop (Brighton Bikes and Bits).

 

[jaderd]

Sweet, I'd seen slot of ppl
Mention that. Any idea if need special type for steering bearings? If anything I'd have thought that swingarm would
Heat up more than steering. How liberal do you go with living swing arm ? Even workshop manual doesn't say

 

[hillsy]

I've used hi-temp bearing grease on all the bearings for years with no problems (Castrol, I think??)


You'd be best off just replacing the wheel bearings with sealed ones though (no need to grease / re-grease)

 

[jaderd]

Yeah I have emailed some pplbut hasn't heard back re. If they stock the correct tapered bearings, I think it's same as many Kawasaki on same era with 34mm forks, bearings seem perfect and the traces so may just run the standard for now and alter down the track.

Cheers think I'll get the belray waterproof stuff which suits all

 

[jaderd]

yeah wheel bearings i have sealed ones to replace so really only the steering bearings that are loose type

 

[jaderd]

quick update, bought some more stuff over weekend, grease and degreaser etc.


chain is currently soaking in degreaser to clean it up then ill check its tolerance, might be ok still.


degreased the motor and stripped all the black off in anticipation of repainting black again....but since the whole lot is bare now i like it alot better.


Also bit of a bonus i feel, the top cylinder head was painted black so has gone back to bare metal, though the bottom half with horizontal fins isnt painted black / gray it is black /gray metal i guess which i like and gives it a two tone look.


Its hard to see in the pics but looks good.


Also filed the fins, need to go over them with some light sandpaper and also the vertical fins although i like how it is coming along.


Painted the fenders, came out well, primer then 4 light coats of enamel, perfect 21 degrees painting with 2 X 500w halogens on them..


Also some other stuff came

• Other indicators, which the 6V8W globes from them fit straight into the 12V indicators i bought off ebay which i will use as i like the way they look better.
  
  
  Kellys Enduro front fender bag arrived
  
  
  NOS Front brake cable arrived
  
  
  Pyramid Parts fork oil seal and fork dust boots arrived
  
  
  Trailtech dash and top mount arrived.
  

Just waiting on Front sprocket and the little battery case i bought to hold the 9V battery to run the trailtech, it has an internal 3V battery but off that the backlight only runs at 10% and the shift lights dont work, so adding a 9V runs it for a good year or so and gives full backlight and shift lights and stays on for 20min after riding instead of quickly shutting off.


The trailtech mounted on the stock guage bracket fairly well, i also chucked on an old MX visor i had laying around as a shield for it, from the angle it mounts and riding position the whole thing can be seen no prob, especially with backlight, shift lights may be a bit out of view but will fill the space with light and be fine....i may ditch it if it looks wanky once fitted on with whole front end complete.


Some pics below