SixtyNine!
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Very cool! i am feeling the guages. Mysta i am a big fan of taking something and making it work... have you thought about finding some layed down fairings off a Kawi 250 ninja? then just cutting them up to get the general shape you want, then laying new glass over the top? just an idea...
dig the guages alot!!!! I really need to do more with the machine shop.... turing stuff on the mill makes a huge diff i like the drum man.
ooh ya, also like what you have come up with for the guage face. simple, clean, modern!
dig the guages alot!!!! I really need to do more with the machine shop.... turing stuff on the mill makes a huge diff i like the drum man.
ooh ya, also like what you have come up with for the guage face. simple, clean, modern!
Flugtechnik
My bike is not transportation, it is a respite
hahaha, when I firtst glanced at it, I thought it looked like santa claus.
screws=eyes
needle hub=nose
top of "6" = beard
I need more coffee.
screws=eyes
needle hub=nose
top of "6" = beard
I need more coffee.
SquadraCorse
Coast to Coast
JRK5892 said:
I second this. Getting symmetry on a part as large as a front fairing without doing it in an automated fashion (big 5 axis mill!) seems incredibly difficult. Not that it can't be done, but I think finding the front fairing off of something else and modifying it would be the way to go. It may be hard to find one with the shape you want, but modifying one would be far less time consuming (and less messy!) than doing it from scratch. The shape in your rendering is classic road racer, love it.
What do you use for a graphics program?
+1 on the gauge faces, those are awesome.
Flugtechnik said:
Oh man! Now that's all I'm going to be able to see.
Unless I can find an old Bultaco fairing, I will not be using any existing parts. Chris keeps saying this same thing, but nothing out there is anything like what I want (which is a good thing) If I do decide to do a buildup like you're all saying it will be on sheets of cintra or foam core.
The face was done in Illustrator, with splines made in Surfcam, the rendering of the bike is a Photoshop colored scanned hand sketch.
Gage Werke Composites
Been Around the Block
F*$#ing love this design. Good luck. Looks like you got a great start
boomshakalaka
Over 1,000 Posts
bikeboy said:
ya, I know he passed away, but what I was saying is akin to saying "ali is the greatest boxer of all time" you wouldnt say "ali was the greatest boxer of all time."
ok, hi-jack over!
Flugtechnik
My bike is not transportation, it is a respite
Wow! You did that in sketchup? Nice work. I just started playing around with it.
I use Catia at work, which is obviously much better, but I always like to learn to use new things.
I use Catia at work, which is obviously much better, but I always like to learn to use new things.
:-X burn!
Does that look like sketchup?
That's actually Surfcam, which is not designed as a modeling program, but I'm much more fluid with it than I am with ProE which I'll most likely have to redo it for in the future... ProE's annoying because everything has to be touching, so I couldn't build the frame that way.
Does that look like sketchup?
That's actually Surfcam, which is not designed as a modeling program, but I'm much more fluid with it than I am with ProE which I'll most likely have to redo it for in the future... ProE's annoying because everything has to be touching, so I couldn't build the frame that way.
Flugtechnik
My bike is not transportation, it is a respite
No! It didn't look like sketchup, that's why I was amazed. The pic was too small to make out the words, and the icons and coordinate systems looked like sketchup's. No burn intended. I've just seen a lot of the guys on the RC aircraft forum I read design their planes in sketchup, I guess because it's free.
Are you building the model just to help you visualize what she will look like or for something else? Is the fairing going to stick out so that your legs tuck in behind it?
I'm not going to get into the Catia/Pro E debate.
Are you building the model just to help you visualize what she will look like or for something else? Is the fairing going to stick out so that your legs tuck in behind it?
I'm not going to get into the Catia/Pro E debate.
This bike immediately reminds me in styling of a BoB Hansen CR. I think you can buy his fairings. Now granted a one off would be amazing, but perhaps modification of an Airtech replica would be a good base. It's the closest I can find to a perfect full vintage fairing. Just a thought.
http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/hondaz/cr4501967teamhansen.htm
http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/hondaz/cr4501967teamhansen.htm
I say make it.... i got huge foam blocks coming for the street fighter i am building... My buddy gets them from his packing company. i am ging to wrap the motor in ceran wrap so that i do not shove foam where it does not belong... then just press the foam on there... from there just shave till i like the look and glass it... granted i am just making a few side pannels and a tail section (kind of like the current GSXR) but this should work out just fine... i was going to do the stuff foam thing but it was dripping all over when i tried it last week... i think you should make it! one thing that i am doing is not making mine very thick at all... i want to keep it just thck enough where it does not move all over in the wind
Flugtechnik said:
I've played with it in the past but I couldn't get a usable file out of it. I need something that I can import into Surfcam for it to be any use to me because that's what I use to tell the machines how to cut the thing. What are the guys you're talking about using it for? Is it just to generate drawings to build the models from or to flesh out ideas in 3D? Are they able to output the data in any usable format like an IGES? I'd be interested in a link to some threads/articles talking about this if you know any off hand.
I need the frame modeled in order to build the fairing, gas tank, and tail section on top of it. I'll also be using it to design and build whatever brackets and plates I'll be needing... I have a few areas in mind where parts that are to be machined will have to mate smoothly with composite parts so having it all drawn up together will be very helpful when that time comes.
It will probably be pretty tight on the frame rather than sticking out, but I'm going to have to play that largely by ear and go with what looks good that the time. I'm anxious to get this model done because I still have yet to figure out how exactly the kickstart and sidestand are going to fit. I would hate to do it but I may be forced to keep the push button start :-X And I'm not hardcore enough to go with just bump start kick starting a bike that you just stalled because you let the clutch out a little too fast when the light turned green is stressful enough.
Kanticoy said:
Yeah, see how that faring draws almost a straight line from the bottom of the fairing to the nose... I hate that, and most of them are like that. Airtech has a huge line of fairings and they even have the Bultaco TSS fairings that I essentially modeled mine after. So, if I was to give up and buy a fairing, it would be one of those... but still, if I did that it would be to plot measurements off of it in order to digitize it and wrap it around the 3D frame model and recut a new one from scratch. I will be spending a lot of time on their site staring at that the pictures of that fairing trying to figure it out.
Output is not a problem for me, drawing the thing up in 3D is the part that scares me the most. I've never done curvy stuff in Surfcam or ProE.
BCBarker
Coast to Coast
I like how yours tucks in closer to the handlebars, but do you think it's going to F with your steering?? it would be awesome if you could figure out a way around that! The one thing I've always dis-liked about the Bultaco fairing is how much room there is between the triple top and the fairing.
So are you going to have the mold cut out with a CNC?
I have a pretty large collection of 3D bikes in .max (3ds Max files) Let me know if you can use any of them.
BC
So are you going to have the mold cut out with a CNC?
I have a pretty large collection of 3D bikes in .max (3ds Max files) Let me know if you can use any of them.
BC
BCBarker said:
Are bears catholic!!? Heck yeah I want 'em. What'cha got? Can you export tham as anyhting but 3Ds max files? Iges? I don't know If I can open 3Ds files directly, but I've got a building full of designers who might be able to covert them for me.
I don't know about the clearance, that's what the model is for, to figure out solutions to those problems. I hope I don't have to change it too much.
Yeah, see how that faring draws almost a straight line from the bottom of the fairing to the nose... I hate that, and most of them are like that. Airtech has a huge line of fairings and they even have the Bultaco TSS fairings that I essentially modeled mine after. So, if I was to give up and buy a fairing, it would be one of those... but still, if I did that it would be to plot measurements off of it in order to digitize it and wrap it around the 3D frame model and recut a new one from scratch. I will be spending a lot of time on their site staring at that the pictures of that fairing trying to figure it out.
Output is not a problem for me, drawing the thing up in 3D is the part that scares me the most. I've never done curvy stuff in Surfcam or ProE.
I know we've talked about this ad nauseum, so tell me to shut up if you're tired of it...
I think you should buy the faring, then modify it for your needs. You want it narrower/tighter? Cut it in half. You want it tight around the stator cover? Cut a big hole and an modify it to fit. When you're all done making it into the faring of your dreams, polish the shit out of it, wax it 'til kingdom come, and use it as a male mould. That way you have a clean female mould to duplicate the part.
Personally, I'd pay whatever you charged for that faring.
Starting from scratch is way too much work. Plus with your pending marriage, it's not like you're going to have MORE shop time...you know? I mean, I'm all for modeling the frame and have the CNC carve the blocks for the faring, but if you go this route, I'd just pay to have the frame 3D scanned.
You've been sitting on this project for way too long. I'm anxious to see it come to fruition. It will be your best work yet.
--Chris
Staffy
It's not yours 'til you cut it up.
I'm gonna disagree and say build it. I've been thinking of building a fairing for a while (a bit lower tech though, gonna use foam, chicken wire and wood with fibreblass layered over) instead of buying one, purely because i want to look at it and see what i've built with my own two hands. You know you wanna do it.
