The 安いスリル CL360

[racing geek]

I already started a build thread on another forum so the following posts will just be copied and pasted from there. Because of this, some of the stuff in my posts may not make sense such as names of people and what not but at least you can see the progress. Anyway, here it goes...

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Here is the the bike I just got tonight from CK 187. "Captain Awesome" truly is a fitting name for him since he gave me the bike and extra parts for free. This is why I would like everyone to send the man some rep when he gets around to posting in here since he deserves far more rep than only I can give.

I plan on going more of a Cafe route with it rather then throwing modern parts at it becuase I figure it would be cheaper and easier to do. Both of those things are key since this is my first motorcycle build and I'm short on cash as is pretty much everyone now days.

Anyway, here are some pictures of it in it's new home. The tank and seat were just set on the bike in these photos because I didn't want my mom to see how much work I really have in store for me when she goes out to her vehicle in the morning. Lets just say she is less then excited about me taking on another project.

I plan on just rebuilding the suspension, brakes and motor to stock specs and I'll only be modifying the physical appearance of the bike. I already have plans for a custom headlight, altered gauge package, and a modified but stock looking seat and tank but I'll start giving details on that once I get that far. Even though the orange/copper colored tank on the bike now isn't the stock tank, I've been thinking about leaving it there after I try and fix the dent. I like the color but I'm also one to do something a little different so I've also been thinking about a dark olive green color since this orange is so common (I hate cookie cutter anything).

This is all I can think of for now. I'll get pictures of all the spare parts tomorrow afternoon and maybe try and bolt some more parts on just so I can get an idea what all those brackets are for that are on the frame. I have no idea where to even begin with the bike so if someone can chime in on where to start that would be great.


Here is why progress will be really slow. I need the Camaro back together and drivable before April 18th because that is the first race of the year, and the list of things to do is still HUGE!

Well, I'm off to DW now...

 

[racing geek]

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So, who wants an update??

I started the heater before I ate supper and did the dishes and after 1 hour the garage temp was at ~30*F. (even after another 4 hours it was still only at ~30*F)

Here are the pictures of the extra parts I got from CK, but now that I'm making this post I realized I forgot pics of the exhaust components. This first picture is the original tank for the bike according to CK.

This is a picture of the CB350 parts motor tucked away in a corner for the time being.

Ratfighter, this is why I am/was worried about the internals being all rusty. See those rusty sleeves in the picture...


After taking a closer look at the condition of these stock gauges I'll probably end up using these anyway. These mirrors are also pretty nice so I plan on using them too (haven't cleaned them yet).

Here are some parts I won't be using if anyone needs/wants them let me know.
stock turn signal housing

stock side cover in like new condition other then the chipped paint on the CL360 badge

stock air filters :LolLolLolLol:

I've also got the stock tail light assembly, rear fender, and tail light bracket that I won't be using for now.


So, now for the progress pictures...

Here is how I got the bike from CK:

When removing the seat I noticed a little storage area under it and guess what I found?? The original owners manual! It's a shame it is falling apart.

Oh, CK did you follow the maintenance procedure?

 

[racing geek]

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Then I lubed up all the cables and they all moved freely so they might still be good. I was also able to spin the motor so at least I know it hasn't froze up on me. I also removed the rear plastic fender liner thing and finished removing the carbs from the motor. Oddly enough, pretty much every nut and bolt on this bike so far is 10mm. At least it makes my life easy! :thumbsup:


Here are the carbs removed. This is probably all I will be doing with them since I don't want to lose any of the tiny parts and not know where they came from. Does anyone have a carb rebuild manual or something so I at least know what I'm looking at if I open them up?

When all that was done I spent some time cleaning the motor just as a morale booster and it actually looks pretty nice... at least the bottom half.

Here is the seat on the bike. I stuck a piece of 2"x4" under the front since the gas tank wasn't there. At least now I know how big I feel on it. I would have pictures showing me on it but everyone was already in bed. Maybe tomorrow.

My plan is to pull that rear hoop in more so the new seat will end where the stock one does but the subframe still won't be visible. I'm still wondering what to do about the rear fender... can't decide if I should attach it to the frame like the factory did it or if I should try and attach it to the swingarm so it moves with the wheel.

Speaking of seats, I think I found the perfect one for the bike. It should add to that whole Cafe Racer feel, after all, it is a race seat...

(their from my Camaro)


When I was taking a closer look at the front forks I noticed something bad. The top triple is cracked on each side near the fork tubes so I'll need a new/used one.

Did you crash this thing CK, or did you just over torque the clamps?


My dad also showed me an old tail light he had laying around for years so I'm thinking about using it somehow.

Here is my workspace for the bike and the room my mom has to walk by it every morning.

 

[racing geek]

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Here is a small update. I had the heater going for a while and it was almost up to 40*F when it ran out of propane. About an hour later it was down to ~35*F and it seems to be staying there.

My experience with electricity started out bad this morning. When I woke up I went to turn on the bathroom light and got shocked. When I came down for breakfast, I turned on the kitchen light and was shocked again. When I plugged in my laptop to charge it I was shocked yet again. Then I came out to work on my car and found out the battery is dead so thankfully I didn't get shocked, but I did end up cutting my arm on a poorly soldered electrical connection the previous owner left uncovered. I was pissed off and decided to let the Camaro sit another day and decided to work on the CL360 since I knew I couldn't get shocked from that. Or could I??

Nope no shock, but... I was crouched down between the bike and the work bench, lost my balance, fell back into the workbench catching my back on the end of the shelf. When I tried standing up I hit my head on the handle bars and somehow moved back enough to hit the back of head against the bench vice as I continued to stand up. Needless to say I had a few choice words for some of the inanimate objects in the garage.

My dad just got back with a new propane tank and I took some Advil so I'm heading back out there now to finish labeling the wiring harness. Wish me luck. lol

 

[racing geek]

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While I was waiting for the garage to heat up a little before I went out there to DW I decided to start reading the owners manual. I found these braking distances and now I'm not so sure drum brakes are worth the "cool factor." :LolLolLolLol: Take a look...

I also found it interesting that it gives information on how long it takes to pass a vehicle...

Now in the garage, I decided to lube the chain so it rolls a little better. Here is the condition of the chain...

I noticed that the foot brake lever is bent and now rubs against the motor a little.

A few hours later I noticed the handle bars are tweaked a little so the bike must have been dropped on the right side at some point in its life. While I was down there I decided to remove the front fender to see how it looks. There was only one bolt holding it on so it didn't take long at all and I really like the look so it will probably stay off until I realize just how crappy it is to ride this way in the rain. haha

Then I started labeling the connectors and found some wires that weren't noted on any of the wiring diagrams I found. Am I just missing something here??

When I got tired of trying to track down all the wires I decided to wipe the dust of the frame, tank, and exhaust and put it all on the bike just for shits and giggles. (note: the entire exhaust setup is only held on by 1 bolt in the following pictures)

I love the scrambler exhaust, but that muffler has to go...

It is probably 1/8" away from the spring which is way too close. I would like to run no mufflers and just have it end where the stock mufflers would attach but I've been told by many people that it will be really loud and that it will start to drive me nuts. Would welding in a cone shaped baffle help muffle the noise without killing exhaust flow? I was wondering if I should try and find a chain guard but with the way the scrambler exhaust routes I'm thinking I won't need it. It's just unneeded sprung weight anyway so it's better to leave it off... right?

Here is the rest of the exhaust components I got from CK.

Since I realized I never even looked inside the tank for rust I figured now would be as good a time as any. There is some surface rust, but I expected that.

I can't open the stock silver tank because it has a lock on it, CK said he has no keys, and I don't know how to pick locks. Any ideas??


Throw my (planned) custom headlight on there, the stock gauges, some clipons, realign the tank and seat, and hide all those loose wires and this would look like a bitch'n bike right now. Especially from this angle...

One thing I didn't mention is that the spark plugs in the bottom of the parts bin I got with the bike were in decent shape so I installed those but when I went to hook up the spark plug wires I noticed one of the boots is missing. My dad said he has some Scream'n Eagle Harley wires I can use to get it running but he wants them back when he gets his Harley out. I wanted to do a compression test but we don't have the tools to do that. My dad has a Craftsman gift card from work so hopefully that's on his list.

Tomorrow the plan is to lube up the carburetor linkage and clean the outside of them before I try putting them back on the bike. I would plan for more work but I figure this way anything more makes it seem like I'm getting ahead of "schedule" which always looks good to the people that aren't too thrilled about the project to begin with. *cough* mom *cough* :LolLolLolLol:

 

[racing geek]

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There, that pretty much covers the last 4 days of work, and now this build thread is up to date. ;D

 

[VonYinzer]

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Its a start! You have A LOT of work ahead of ya, but Im sure you'll do just fine. All that for free is amazing... The tank thats on there (the orange one)... Its a cb350 tank correct? If ya ever want to get rid of it let me know. Also, what are the shocks on the bike? I couldnt see in your pics other than that there badass remote resevoir.

 

[Big R]

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Looking good RG. I wouldn't even worry about the top of the triple - they are easy to come by. Hell, I have 3 of them now and my bike is a little harder to find parts for

 

[racing geek]

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The wiring has pretty much been figured out. It was just me being blond combined with years of sun exposure fading the colors of the wires. Here is a link to the wiring diagram I'm looking at. (scroll down and click the "CB-CJ-CL360" link)
http://oldmanhonda.com/MC/WiringDiagrams/MCwiring.php#class

There are 4 wires that have me stumped. This one is on the right side of the handle bars and looks like it should go to the electric start button according to the wirring diagram. Now there is a green w/ red striped wire in it's place. What's going on with this? I can't imagine CK would run a single wire through the handle bars just so the electric start would work when he could just strip a little more plastic coating of the end and use the stock wire so I must be missing something here...

At the back there is a black wire (which I'm assuming is a ground) connected to a green wire (which also seem to be grounds from the wiring diagrams I've seen), and an orange wire connected to a black wire but both of the black ends have the connector thing busted off.

Then there is a turn signal relay in the back with a green, gray, and black wire coming off it, but the green wire (ground?) isn't connected to anything and the connector looks just like the black and white which are connected. Any ideas?

Other then that, the only thing not connected are the directional lights since I have no directional lights right now, and rather then reinstall the ugly rear fender and brake light mount only to pull it off again, I just have the stock brake light sitting on the frame for testing purposes.

Speaking of testing, I found the ignition key in the bottom of the parts bin covered in surface rust. I cleaned the rust off and here it is! Now I just need a battery and I think I'm ready to start testing to see if all the work I've done with the wiring harness has paid off. Just one step closer to firing it up!!!
arty-smiley:

Now that I found some nuts to match the header studs and have tightened down the exhaust a little better there is ~3/8" clearance between the muffler and spring. I'm not sure how much lateral movement the these old tubular swingarms had but that does seem like enough.

 

[racing geek]

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Its a start! You have A LOT of work ahead of ya, but Im sure you'll do just fine. All that for free is amazing... The tank thats on there (the orange one)... Its a cb350 tank correct? If ya ever want to get rid of it let me know. Also, what are the shocks on the bike? I couldnt see in your pics other than that there badass remote resevoir.

I think it's a CB350 tank but I'm not sure. Based on the pictures in your build thread it probably is a CB350 tank. If I can find a dark green or dark blue tank in good shape I may sell it.

The shocks on the bike are old shocks. ;D I do love the way they look and plan on keeping them unless they are junk and even then I'm probably going to look into rebuilding them. I sent an e-mail to the previous owner asking if he remembers what brand they are since there isn't a whole lot of info on the shock body.


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I've found all kinds of lower triples that people are offering me for free but I can't find anyone with an upper triple. :

 

[VonYinzer]

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I was searching around a bit for a top tree forr you and found this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRIPLE-TREE-CLAMP-HONDA-CB360-1974-CB-360-74-75-T-G_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5881df96c1QQitemZ380136036033QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Are you fucking kidding me? What an ass.

 

[racing geek]

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I was searching around a bit for a top tree forr you and found this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRIPLE-TREE-CLAMP-HONDA-CB360-1974-CB-360-74-75-T-G_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5881df96c1QQitemZ380136036033QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Are you fucking kidding me? What an ass.

Was that second part directed towards me or the person selling the triple you linked? Assuming you are referring to the guy on eBay, I agree with you. If that thing sells I could be rich off all the busted parts I have laying around the house. lol

 

[Big R]

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Check the fine print - its forged from unicorn poop. Wait a minute, it's definately poop, but not unicorn poop. Sorry!

 

[crazypj]

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It's so common for them to be broken I tthink it's 'normal'
Usually simply overtightened, I bought 4 360's, 2 were broken.
Found out a CB350 twin one fits and for some reason seems to be more robust. (had one laying about ;D)
Different alloy composition maybe?
I think the shocks are CB750/900 dohc

PJ

 

[bikeboy]

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I think the shocks are CB750/900 dohc

PJ

correct

The yellow/red wire is soldered to the top of the starter button, and completes the circuit to the solenoid (you can see the terminal in your pic where it has come loose from). The green/red is the live feed from the neutral safety switch-if the bike's in neutral

cheers
ian

 

[racing geek]

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Since the wiring was pretty much good to go and I had the ignition key I decided to see if everything worked the way it should. I used some cables and gator clamps to hook up the battery from the KTM since I don't want to spend the money on a battery yet. I only had 1 turn signal, a test light and tail light to work with but everything kind of worked.

Here a turn signal is on and the brakes are on.

Here the brakes are off.

I found out that the left turn signal in front and back work, the right turn signal in back works, the tail light works, and I used the test light to find that the headlight and horn work. However, I did notice that when the turn signal was on, it didn't flash but I could still here a clicking/ticking sound. I'm putting my money on the light I was using since it was some cheap Chinese crap. My dad actually had it on a bike a couple years back but pulled them off because a light went out and it was such a goofy one he had to special order it from a store quite the distance away. Then again, the turn signal light in the tach never lit up either. Even so, I was happy with the results considering what little I had (as far as lights are concerned) and decided to try the electric start just becuase I was curious. Turns out it didn't work.

Here is the neutral light working and the turn signal light not working...

I never did get the carbs cleaned up and back on the bike so I guess I'll do that tomorrow. I also e-mailed the vin number from the frame and motor to my mom so she can forward it to a lady she works with and she can check the status of the bike. I figure this way I can find out if it is still titled under someone or not rather then paying money to figure this out when I apply for a title.

 

[racing geek]

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It's so common for them to be broken I tthink it's 'normal'
Usually simply overtightened, I bought 4 360's, 2 were broken.
Found out a CB350 twin one fits and for some reason seems to be more robust. (had one laying about ;D)
Different alloy composition maybe?
I think the shocks are CB750/900 dohc

PJ

Thanks, I'll keep the CB350 in mind when I start looking for a new one. :thumbsup:

correct

The yellow/red wire is soldered to the top of the starter button, and completes the circuit to the solenoid (you can see the terminal in your pic where it has come loose from). The green/red is the live feed from the neutral safety switch-if the bike's in neutral

cheers
ian

You sir are the man! Thank you, I'll look into that tomorrow and try holding the wire there to see if anything happens. High five to you!!

Do you know anything about my other wiring issues?

 

[bikeboy]

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Thanks, I'll keep the CB350 in mind when I start looking for a new one. :thumbsup:
You sir are the man! Thank you, I'll look into that tomorrow and try holding the wire there to see if anything happens. High five to you!!

Do you know anything about my other wiring issues?

Glad to help. Easiest way to trace elec. problems is with a multimeter, or at least a test light (which I think you have?) Don't rely on indicator and instrument bulbs working unless you know they worked before. And not even then The main thing is to makes sure your bulb (or circuit) is getting power, and has a good earth. I'm guessing your fuses are OK, because you're getting some of the fused items to work. A lot of problems can be traced back to a flaky earth, so undo the frame earth and give it a good clean, the make sure its contacts bare metal when connected to the frame. Your battery neg should also be cleaned. Grab your test light and see if you can get it lit by hitting some bare metal in random places around the frame.

Your indicator will probably need load from 2 bulbs to work properly, and while I think of it, that 'spare' green connector at your relay is redundant for that type of flasher. Don't connect it or you'll fry it. Ask me how I know

Sounds like you have made a good start.

cheers
ian

 

[Big R]

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I don't know how hard it is for you to get a title, but here in PA it's a real PITA. I personally wouldn't put a dime into it without one though.

And yeah, sounds like a single bulb is blown. You can try moving a bulb from the left side to the right just to check your flasher. I think when I got mine the flasher indicator bulb was blown and it stopped the everything from working correctly too. And if you need a new socket (to retrofit into a Chinese housing) they normally have them at parts stores.

 

[VonYinzer]

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Was that second part directed towards me or the person selling the triple you linked? Assuming you are referring to the guy on eBay, I agree with you. If that thing sells I could be rich off all the busted parts I have laying around the house. lol

The seller, not you.