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carnivorous chicken

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J-Rod10 said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/CNNTonight/status/1049854994181054464

"Kanye West is what happens when ne*ros don't read."

When a prominent African American steps out of the Democrat line, this is what happens.
When anyone chooses to vote against their interest, it becomes notable -- although given the size of his wealth he's got more calculations to make -- does money outweigh other concerns? It should also be noted that he is diagnosed as mentally ill, and has a history of doing things for attention.

But when the Republican party bases part of its strategy on disenfranchising people of color and gerrymandering districts to keep them white, and its leader constantly utters racial dog whistles and voices support for neo-nazis and white supremacists ("there were good people on both sides"), it becomes counterintuitive for people of color to vote Republican. Trump received 8% of the black vote in 2016, 93% of black voters disapprove of Trump, and 80% support his impeachment, according to a poll just over a month old. I'm guessing most African-Americans -- and most people in general -- are saying WTF to Kanye's embrace of Trump.

Log Cabin Republicans are another example of a bloc that votes against its interest, but that's another kettle of fish.

*** I should add that West also said that slavery was "a choice" and tweeted that the US should abolish the 13th Amendment -- you know, the one abolishing slavery. It's not surprising there is anger among African-Americans directed at West, and it's not surprising some people on the right are holding him up as some kind of martyr.
 

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I don't care anything about Kanye. It's just humorous to me, as soon as an African American falls out of line, they're on national television calling him a ne*ro.
 

irk miller

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stroker crazy said:
The Quran 39:68 Az Zumar (The troops)

And the Horn will be blown, and whoever is in the heavens and whoever is on the earth will fall dead except whom Allah wills. Then it will be blown again, and at once they will be standing, looking on.
 

carnivorous chicken

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In other news, the Republican Club in Manhattan decided it would be a good idea to invite Proud Boy Gavin McInnes to give a lecture on a murdered Japanese socialist in the 1960s. Nothing like one of the two mainstream political parties in the USA normalizing racism, xenophobia, anti-semitism and street-level political thuggery.
 

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Ole dude must have gotten sick of the propaganda Vice (of which he was one of the three co-founders) was putting out, and jumped off the deep end in the other direction.

I had to Google him, had never heard of him. He's a Canadian citizen.

This club deal in NY, is it officially affiliated with the GOP, or just some social club some folks started?

On the subject of racism, seems a lot of folks are rather unhappy with CNN at present. Apparently, the Black Delegation is trading Kanye, the "token ne*ro as one put it on that show, in the upcoming racial draft.

The Chappelle show, it lives on.

Seems you are correct, though, one party is mainstreaming racism. They're on national television calling an African American racial slurs, and laughing about it the whole time they were doing it.
 

carnivorous chicken

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Whataboutism. You're good at it, I'll give you that.

Seeing as the Rebuplican Club in Manhattan is headquarters to GOP candidates' campaigns, I'd say there is a pretty strong connection.

And it's not the dems who are disenfranchising enormous groups of minorities -- following a narrow Dem victory in North Dakota, the Republicans instituted a voter ID law that will disenfranchise 70,000 Native Americans (20% of the voting population) because they live in rurual areas and use PO Boxes on their IDs. This was upheld by the Supreme Court on Tuesday of last week.

There are several other examples of Republicans attempting to disenfranchise minority voters who tend to vote Democratic. Not to mention gerrymandering.

But sure, Democrats are racists because someone on CNN called Kanye a "token negro." Without explaining to you the nature of the differences between whites and blacks using racial terms, I'll just say that to me this isn't a that big of a deal. The first use was a Chris Rock reference. The second was a clumsy attempt to articulate how Kanye is likely viewed in the White House -- you know, because as I mentioned black opposition against Trump is something like 90%. Not a great decision, especially since it would be seized on by the right as an example of CNN's racism (internalized racism? Since it was a black woman who said it? Doesn't that matter?) When you have whites using racial slurs it's a different matter. Like Gavin McInnes, you know, the white supremacist speaking at the GOP club in Manhattan, one that serves as headquarters for GOP candidates.

So you've got one person on CNN making a clumsy statement, and you have years of action by the GOP, explicitly articulated by Nixon and carried forward ever since. Hmmm...
 

J-Rod10

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I've never understood the argument against voter id laws. One was upheld here by the state Supreme Court last week as well. You have to have an ID to do virtually anything, and that never seems to be an issue. But, something as important as voting, showing an ID is the end of the world.

Side bar on that. They let people use a P.O. Box as an address on a government issued ID in ND? That's odd. You have to give a physical address, and show an ID to get a P.O. Box.

Both sides gerrymander. They draw, redraw, draw again, and on and on when it comes to voting districts. Nothing new. Both sides do it when they have the power to do so. Not saying that makes it right, but you certainly can't solely lay that at the feet of the GOP.


Let me ask you this. You said the deal on CNN isn't a big deal to you. If that happened on Fox, say Ben Carson, Candace Owens said what the 3-4 of them said, would it be a big deal then?
 

carnivorous chicken

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J-Rod10 said:
I've never understood the argument against voter id laws. One was upheld here by the state Supreme Court last week as well. You have to have an ID to do virtually anything, and that never seems to be an issue. But, something as important as voting, showing an ID is the end of the world.

Side bar on that. They let people use a P.O. Box as an address on a government issued ID in ND? That's odd. You have to give a physical address, and show an ID to get a P.O. Box.
Perhaps you should look into it a little. Don't you think it's curious that voter ID laws tend to disenfranchise minorities at a disproportionate rate? Isn't that more than a little troubling?

My US ID, from Arizona, has a PO box on it. It's not strange, it's not weird, it's easy -- because that's where I get my mail. Yes -- you need a physical address to get a PO Box. That's kind of the point -- Native Americans in North Dakota who live in rural areas used a physical address to get a PO box, so why shouldn't their ID work?

J-Rod10 said:
Let me ask you this. You said the deal on CNN isn't a big deal to you. If that happened on Fox, say Ben Carson, Candace Owens said what the 3-4 of them said, would it be a big deal then?
That would never happen because of the completely different racial dynamics of the dems and reps. But yeah, if Carson said someone was, what -- "Obama's token negro"? That would actually be kind of funny.
 

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So, I could use my Florida drivers license to get a P.O. Box in Arizona, use that P.O. Box address to get an Arizona ID, use that Arizona ID to register to vote in Arizona along with being registered in Florida?

More or less, I could become an Arizona citizen, without actually living in Arizona, and vote there.
 

carnivorous chicken

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J-Rod10 said:
So, I could use my Florida drivers license to get a P.O. Box in Arizona, use that P.O. Box address to get an Arizona ID, use that Arizona ID to register to vote in Arizona along with being registered in Florida?
Now you're being silly. No, you can't get a PO box in Arizona without an Arizona address.

Worth mentioning here, I suppose, that the GOP fear of nearly non-existent voter fraud might be party based on ideas such as yours.
 

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carnivorous chicken said:
Now you're being silly. No, you can't get a PO box in Arizona without an Arizona address.

Worth mentioning here, I suppose, that the GOP fear of nearly non-existent voter fraud might be party based on ideas such as yours.
I had no issue getting a P.O. Box in Starkville, MS when I was in college with an Arkansas ID.
 

irk miller

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No rules on getting a PO Box out of state, except that you have to be physically present to get one. You cannot use a PO Box address to register to vote, though.
 

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irk miller said:
No rules on getting a PO Box out of state, except that you have to be physically present to get one. You cannot use a PO Box address to register to vote, though.
So basically, ND wants to make sure people with ND IDs that have P.O. Boxes on them actually live in ND in order to vote in ND elections. Makes sense to me.
 

carnivorous chicken

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J-Rod10 said:
I had no issue getting a P.O. Box in Starkville, MS when I was in college with an Arkansas ID.
There's no requirement for using an in-state ID, but there is a requirement to be present in person as well as to have a local physical address. So yeah, you can get a PO Box in MS with an AR ID. And as IM points out, you can't register to vote without a local physical address.

So do you seriously think there is a problem with rural Native Americans getting mail at a PO Box and using that as the address on their ID, and somehow -- what? -- committing voter fraud? Or do you think that people from Montana are somehow getting PO Boxes in North Dakota and then, somehow, getting registered to vote in that state? And that this law is somehow preventing that? That's not happening.

What is happening, as I pointed out, is the disenfranchisement of 70,000 Native Americans and more of other groups.

Does the disenfranchisement of huge parts of the population "make sense" to you?

How do you feel about Jack Kemp disenfranchising tens of thousands of African Americans in Georgia? Especially when it looks like he might lose by a close margin of African American voters? That's good practice for American democracy?

And all this time I thought that the Republicans were supposed to be the party of fewer regulations, keeping the "nanny state" out of people's business. So they invent a "threat" out of thin air, one that is proven not to be happening on any kind of large scale or that affects elections --voter fraud -- and create legislation that will have instead the effect of bolstering their position by disenfranchising minorities. Does that "make sense" to you as well?
 

J-Rod10

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So, I read a bit about the North Dakota deal.

North Dakota does not require, nor have, voter registration.

So, ensuring folks voting actually live in North Dakota, and are voting in the districts that they live in seems to be the goal here.

Still, don't much see a problem with that.
 

carnivorous chicken

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J-Rod10 said:
So, I read a bit about the North Dakota deal.

North Dakota does not require, nor have, voter registration.

So, ensuring folks voting actually live in North Dakota, and are voting in the districts that they live in seems to be the goal here.

Still, don't much see a problem with that.
You're ignoring the point: this law disenfranchises tens of thousands of people, with no evidence that any meaningful voter fraud has occurred.

"Only one accusation of fraud — a man charged with voting in two counties in the 2016 election — has been prosecuted in the past several decades, Silrum said." http://www.startribune.com/no-voter-registration-point-of-pride-unease-in-north-dakota/485071011/

The goal here is disenfranchisement.

Frequently it seems the "sounds good to me" test really means "it doesn't affect me, but helps my political party."
 

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