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carnivorous chicken

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I just find it funny that no matter what happens, people who are Trump fans will move the bar.

Trump's OK because he fixed Korea.

Trump's OK because he reduced our taxes.

Trump's OK because we are going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it.

Trump's OK because he's backing companies like Harley that make things in the US.

Trump's Ok because supporting US steel will help American manufacturers.

Someone here said I just criticize Trump because I don't like him. I mean, yeah, the guy is abhorrent and anyone who can't see that doesn't have their eyes open. But the opposite, I think, is more true. People will willfully ignore how shitty he and his policies are and how much the guy lies because he's a republican. Undoubtedly many people go along because he's stoking fears, and those outweigh objectivity. This is an article that examines the current polarization. I've been reading Inglehart's stuff since his earlier work on political culture and "post-materialism." I know some will just write him off as an academic egghead writing from the ivory tower, not in touch with people, but his work is solid. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/13/opinion/trump-2020-us-them.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
 

VintageMBike

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carnivorous chicken said:
I just find it funny that no matter what happens, people who are Trump fans will move the bar.

Trump's OK because he fixed Korea.

Trump's OK because he reduced our taxes.

Trump's OK because we are going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it.

Trump's OK because he's backing companies like Harley that make things in the US.

Trump's Ok because supporting US steel will help American manufacturers.

Someone here said I just criticize Trump because I don't like him. I mean, yeah, the guy is abhorrent and anyone who can't see that doesn't have their eyes open. But the opposite, I think, is more true. People will willfully ignore how shitty he and his policies are and how much the guy lies because he's a republican. Undoubtedly many people go along because he's stoking fears, and those outweigh objectivity. This is an article that examines the current polarization. I've been reading Inglehart's stuff since his earlier work on political culture and "post-materialism." I know some will just write him off as an academic egghead writing from the ivory tower, not in touch with people, but his work is solid. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/13/opinion/trump-2020-us-them.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
https://www.salon.com/2019/02/13/fox-news-blames-americans-for-diminished-tax-refunds-under-trump/

"Fox & Friends" had a big laugh on Thursday at the expense of Americans who are unpleasantly surprised at their diminished tax refunds, after assuming returns would be larger due to President Donald Trump's tax cuts.

Charles Payne, the host of "Making Money with Charles Payne" on the Fox Business Network, appeared on "Fox & Friends" to discuss the plight of Americans who are upset about a drop in their tax refund. The segment opened with the statistic that there has been an 8.4 percent decline in the average tax refund compared to 2018.

"Here’s the thing: For the most part, the IRS is telling everyone that they just simply did not make the proper adjustments on their withholdings at the beginning of the year. So they have been making all of this money," Payne explained to the "Fox & Friends" hosts. After clarifying that either they or their employers might have made the mistake, Payne insisted that the IRS wasn't to blame here.

"IRS actually put a lot of memos out. They even made it pretty easy to go on their website and figure it out. This was at the beginning of last year. Of course most people didn’t do that," Payne explained. "While people were obviously seeing fatter paychecks they were still counting on that refund they always got, which is interesting because, you kind of hinted at it, that we would allow the IRS to have like a $2,000 loan, our money, right? Hold on to it because we overpaid. So people should probably consider making these adjustments anyway, unless you want to give the IRS two or three grand of your money to hold for a year. Maybe they can make the interest on it and you won’t."

At that point Brian Kilmeade chimed in to say, "But here's the problem: There are certain things that are gone forever and that is, in these blue states — in Illinois, in New York as well as Los Angeles, New Jersey (forget Los Angeles, also California) — you can no longer write off state and local taxes."


He added, "So that's gone."

Payne acknowledged Kilmeade's observation and claimed, "These states have put themselves in a bad predicament because they have taxed their residents, they have created these obligations, they have made these promises and they need to find out some of the taxes that they can probably address rather than going back to the government and asking someone in Mississippi to subsidize a millionaire in New York City's — to subsidize their mortgage. It's ridiculous."

According to a report by the Tax Policy Center in December 2017, the Trump tax cuts would cause a decline on average for all income groups that would nevertheless be disproportionately felt by the wealthy.

"Taxpayers in the bottom quintile (those with income less than $25,000) would see an average tax cut of $60, or 0.4 percent of after-tax income," the Tax Policy Center explained. "Taxpayers in the middle income quintile (those with income between about $49,000 and $86,000) would receive an average tax cut of about $900, or 1.6 percent of after-tax income. Taxpayers in the 95th to 99th income percentiles (those with income between about $308,000 and $733,000) would benefit the most as a share of after-tax income, with an average tax cut of about $13,500 or 4.1percent of after-tax income. Taxpayers in the top 1 percent of the income distribution (those with income more than $733,000) would receive an average cut of $51,000, or 3.4 percent of after-tax income."
 

carnivorous chicken

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Pfft, "national emergency." Unauthorized border crossings are fewer than the past several years, and even though Trump keeps saying that most drugs don't come through border crossings, his own administration contradicts him (and there were two historic busts at points of entry recently).

People say he's declaring a national emergency to keep a campaign promise. He's actually declaring a national emergency to break a campaign promise -- that Mexico would pay for a wall.

Post-truth society, anyone?
 

doc_rot

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I dont think its news that Tucker Carlson has an ego like an eggshell, or that hes simply a mouthpiece for Rupert Murdoch.
 

farmer92

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VintageMBike said:
This topic is like you having a convo with yourself. I guess its safe to assume most DTTers are Trump supporters.
I think most people just look at the posts and either nod in agreement or chuckle slightly and be thankful that isn’t their country being represented the aforementioned individuals.
 

irk miller

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Seems a bit comical that he would assume most DTT'ers are even American, considering this site is Toronto based and so many are Aussie. I would actually more likely assume that most people on theses boards are not Trump supporters or don't care.
 

carnivorous chicken

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VintageMBike said:
This topic is like you having a convo with yourself. I guess its safe to assume most DTTers are Trump supporters.
Seriously? Is that why you felt the need to post a long screed on this topic a couple pages back? You were -- wait for it -- part of this conversation.

For a while this was more of a back and forth, with a few Trumpistas here trying to argue that Trump was OK because... the economy. Or he brought peace to the Koreas. Or whatever Kool Aid they were drinking, ignoring the pandering to white supremacists and xenophobes and the super wealthy. Now it's like watching a sinking ship, and with the exception of a Swedish nazi sympathizer there's not a lot of pushback.

Occasionally people will come to this thread and moan that they can't ignore it -- nobody is forcing anyone to read it, just as nobody is forcing anyone to read any other thread here that they are not interested in.
 

VintageMBike

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carnivorous chicken said:
Seriously? Is that why you felt the need to post a long screed on this topic a couple pages back? You were -- wait for it -- part of this conversation.

For a while this was more of a back and forth, with a few Trumpistas here trying to argue that Trump was OK because... the economy. Or he brought peace to the Koreas. Or whatever Kool Aid they were drinking, ignoring the pandering to white supremacists and xenophobes and the super wealthy. Now it's like watching a sinking ship, and with the exception of a Swedish nazi sympathizer there's not a lot of pushback.

Occasionally people will come to this thread and moan that they can't ignore it -- nobody is forcing anyone to read it, just as nobody is forcing anyone to read any other thread here that they are not interested in.
You misunderstand my tone. Im lamenting the fact that MORE ppl DONT participate in this discussion.
 

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