"the Mooch"

carnivorous chicken

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People are exhausted of the daily lowering of the bar. People want to tune it out. Some support it, many are apathetic.

Perhaps one of the most significant actions to curtain the institutional legacy of this president occured yesterday with the House voting to overturn Trump's emergency order for wall funding. We will find out soon if there are enough Senate Republicans (4?) willing to stand up to Trumpism and executive overreach.

And Cohen's damning testimony is currently playing. Republicans are trying to undercut his reputation, including Florida's Matt Gaetz, who threatened Cohen in a tweet the other day (and may face witness tampering charges), by claiming he is a liar and a criminal -- seemingly ignoring the fact that portraying him thus reflects on Trump's character since Cohen was his right hand man.

It's a sinking ship in a shit storm.
 

VintageMBike

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carnivorous chicken said:
People are exhausted of the daily lowering of the bar. People want to tune it out. Some support it, many are apathetic.

Perhaps one of the most significant actions to curtain the institutional legacy of this president occured yesterday with the House voting to overturn Trump's emergency order for wall funding. We will find out soon if there are enough Senate Republicans (4?) willing to stand up to Trumpism and executive overreach.

And Cohen's damning testimony is currently playing. Republicans are trying to undercut his reputation, including Florida's Matt Gaetz, who threatened Cohen in a tweet the other day (and may face witness tampering charges), by claiming he is a liar and a criminal -- seemingly ignoring the fact that portraying him thus reflects on Trump's character since Cohen was his right hand man.

It's a sinking ship in a shit storm.
I dont know if you ever read The Daily Mail, a UK publication that has a lot of US conservative fans. If you take a look at the comments under the Michael Cohen testimony, you will see their opinions of Trump have not changed. They are all for Trump, call Cohen a liar, and completely dismiss his testimony as "partisan politics" and "fake news."

I dont know that truth will ever prevail as it did Pre Trump. The paradigm has shifted, for the worst.
 

farmer92

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VintageMBike said:
I dont know if you ever read The Daily Mail, a UK publication that has a lot of US conservative fans. If you take a look at the comments under the Michael Cohen testimony, you will see their opinions of Trump have not changed. They are all for Trump, call Cohen a liar, and completely dismiss his testimony as "partisan politics" and "fake news."

I dont know that truth will ever prevail as it did Pre Trump. The paradigm has shifted, for the worst.

This is nothing new, people believe what they want, and need to see and touch the wounds themselves to believe what someone might tell them. The only difference now is that these people feel validated enough to be open about their opinions and what they believe to be the truth
 

VintageMBike

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farmer92 said:
This is nothing new, people believe what they want, and need to see and touch the wounds themselves to believe what someone might tell them. The only difference now is that these people feel validated enough to be open about their opinions and what they believe to be the truth
No, it is new. We’ve never had a president that fully controlled/listens constantly too a propaganda organization that is funded by billionaires, and supported by and army of Russian trolls and propped up by white nationalist and supremacists.Never in any time, when information is readily available and lies easily refuted, have ppl chosen to look past Trump, his lies, his infidelity etc. As he said when campaigning, he could shoot someone on 5th avenue in broad daylight and get away with it

It’s definitely beyond me at this point. When a substantial portion of the population absolutely refuses to acknowledge evidence and reality, what recourse do we have?
 

teazer

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VintageMBike said:
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It’s definitely beyond me at this point. When a substantial portion of the population absolutely refuses to acknowledge evidence and reality, what recourse do we have?
I think that the answer to that question is to try not to become too tribal and to get involved in the political process. Vote and maybe offer to assist in getting others registered to vote or offer to transport people to a polling place or assist in more direct ways with your local electoral process. Feel free to use you voice through social media and to write to your local congress people and senators even if they are of a different party than your preference. Politicians won't do much with one voice, but when they hear from enough individuals thye are more prone to act. Make your voice and vote count.
 

carnivorous chicken

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teazer said:
I think that the answer to that question is to try not to become too tribal and to get involved in the political process. Vote and maybe offer to assist in getting others registered to vote or offer to transport people to a polling place or assist in more direct ways with your local electoral process. Feel free to use you voice through social media and to write to your local congress people and senators even if they are of a different party than your preference. Politicians won't do much with one voice, but when they hear from enough individuals thye are more prone to act. Make your voice and vote count.
Definitely an important piece of the puzzle, especially with Republican attempts to disenfranchise large swaths of people or, as in the case of Harris in North Carolina, commit outright fraud -- the very thing Republicans say they are trying to prevent by disenfranchising.

But getting people to vote needs to be coupled with getting people to be smart, to question sources, to educate themselves and be able to identify reliable news from partisan bullshit. That's going to be tougher in a polarized US.
 

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stroker crazy said:
since you're not American you may not quite get this part

but for a school to release ANY students SAT scores would be grounds for action

under FERPA laws, all federally funded schools have strict rules about when and why they can release scores, and must be anonymized. Although FERPA protections apply to federally-funded schools and some other entities that are devoted to education, most states do not regulate college testing organizations. Among the exceptions are California and New York, both of which have passed laws that explicitly forbid testing entities from releasing test scores without student consent, and California test-takers must be provided with an easily understandable written description of the testing entity's promises with respect to student privacy. Additionally, a Connecticut privacy law that took effect in 2005 prohibits any individual, business, or other entity from publicly releasing anyone's Social Security number.

it wouldn't be unusual for someone to threaten legal action against an illegal release of test scores.

QQ
 

MiniatureNinja

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farmer92 said:
This is nothing new, people believe what they want, and need to see and touch the wounds themselves to believe what someone might tell them. The only difference now is that these people feel validated enough to be open about their opinions and what they believe to be the truth
so you're telling me you believe his statements to congress now that it's anti-trump? even though he is going to prison for lying under oath to congress?
 

carnivorous chicken

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MiniatureNinja said:
it wouldn't be unusual for someone to threaten legal action against an illegal release of test scores.

QQ
No -- it would be unusual precisely because it's illegal. This also jsut reflects badly on Trump -- either he didn't know it was illegal, or he just wanted to threaten them.

What about grades?
 

carnivorous chicken

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MiniatureNinja said:
so you're telling me you believe his statements to congress now that it's anti-trump? even though he is going to prison for lying under oath to congress?
Please don't tell me you think he is making this all up to -- what? -- save his own ass (which is already going to jail)? Sure he's shifty AF, but if you think Trump isn't capable of the things Cohen describes -- such as tax evasion -- I've got a bridge I'd love to sell you.
 

J-Rod10

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carnivorous chicken said:
Please don't tell me you think he is making this all up to -- what? -- save his own ass (which is already going to jail)? Sure he's shifty AF, but if you think Trump isn't capable of the things Cohen describes -- such as tax evasion -- I've got a bridge I'd love to sell you.
I mean, he did say he was hoping for a reduced sentence (according to an article I read.) So, partially, yeah, he's trying to save his own ass.
 

stroker crazy

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Do you think he would lie to Congress again and leave himself open to doing more time?

Besides, he has documentation to support some of his claims.

Crazy
 

J-Rod10

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stroker crazy said:
Do you think he would lie to Congress again and leave himself open to doing more time?

Besides, he has documentation to support some of his claims.

Crazy
I'm sure someone, somewhere asked "Do you think Manafort would lie to Mueller again, and risk more time?"

Personally, absolutely. These privileged folks will do whatever they can to avoid prison. Does that mean he is? No.
 

carnivorous chicken

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How about a specific example. Cohen testified that he was told by Trump to pay off Stormy Daniels, and received 10 checks over a period of time as payment, which he can prove with cancelled checks. Think he is lying about that?
 

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carnivorous chicken said:
How about a specific example. Cohen testified that he was told by Trump to pay off Stormy Daniels, and received 10 checks over a period of time as payment, which he can prove with cancelled checks. Think he is lying about that?
Wasn't it common knowledge that Trump reimbursed that? At least, I thought it was.
 

carnivorous chicken

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J-Rod10 said:
Wasn't it common knowledge that Trump reimbursed that? At least, I thought it was.
Oh, so he's not lying?

Perhaps we should go back a little while to remember Trump's "evolution" on this matter. People who are OK with Trump seem to be OK with this as well, although it is not only a campaign finance violation but it's also somewhat crazy. A president boinked a porn star while his wife was at home with her newborn then paid $130,000 during the campaign to cover it up, and lied about it repeatedly. Hmm...
 

sav0r

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Trump denied it though. So it was Trump’s word versus Cohen’s. Now there’s evidence, some that at the bare minimum suggest Cohen isn’t fibbing at least about this.

What I found interesting about the testimony was that the Republicans ran a smear campaign from the outset. Instead of looking at what he’s saying and objectively trying to figure out what is true and what is horse shit, the Republicans wanted to taint the testimony as less than credible based on character only. Everybody knows the guy is a shit head, he willingly worked for Donald Trump, but no counter facts were presented, instead it was pure character assisination of Cohen. Why would this be the case? They can’t refute the testimony, so it’s easier to smear the person giving it. The Republicans acted like children and it’s sad.
 

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MiniatureNinja said:
so you're telling me you believe his statements to congress now that it's anti-trump? even though he is going to prison for lying under oath to congress?
Look up the Valachi hearings. This type of thing isn't exactly unprecedented.
 
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