A few words.

Kiley, I believe you're talking about government. don't want that, well maybe a little. I do think there should be some more guidelines for BOTM and say what you want everyone of us would feel a little pride if nominated. its recognition from your peers for all your hard work, that means more to me than anything else other than personal satisfaction.

The whole thing is this for me; I know who my friends are here, the guys I can count on. And they are all (almost all) right here in this thread. I pay attention to their threads and try to help where I can and when I need help (virtually every day.) I can count on them to chime in when they have an answer. the rest of it I cruise and read when I have time and try to help where I can. but I really don't pay attention until a member makes me. Until they establish themselves. We are one group of guys here that has gotten to know each other and I'm sure there are other groups of guys here that have gotten to know each other that we aren't even aware of. DTT is just a virtual city that is growing. You can't know everyone. I choose to stick with my crowd but keep the circle open for new guys that fit in. Tim said it, just ignore what you don't like and it goes away.

I am looking forward to meeting as many of you guys as I can in the coming year.

Mike, Swagg? its okay boys, you can be you, with us!
 
I like gummy bears ! ;)

And yeah what they said.
Who you may ask?
All of em! Hahaha
I think everyone has put in good points in this thread, good job guys!
I think we are only missing the one opinion which counts the most, dtt's leading lady, the one and only girl named GO!, Lauren!
 
diesel450 said:
Kiley, I believe you're talking about government. don't want that, well maybe a little.

Yeah I don't want to sound like that. I just smell something odd happening here, and I don't like it, and I feel like without bringing it to the attention of people, it will only grow worse like a cancer. I don't want some regulated site that becomes stifling, I just want us all to try a little harder. BTW, there is a member with a bike on the BOTM banner who has 3 posts....ever. That's what really made me aware that what I was sensing was becoming a reality. Again, not the main issue at hand, but that wouldn't have happened this time last year, and we all know it.

Everything all of you are saying is more than supportive, and man I appreciate it. Like a breath of fresh air.
 
This site is one of the hardest forums to get involved in, of all I am on. And I am on lots. You are clicky, and kind of pains in the asses. Maybe they are all that way and I forgot. Whatever.

I have tried to be helpful with the things I know and have taken a beating in the past. I also ran a chain out to some guy on the salt flats that is a friend of the site a couple years ago, so my douchiness is not total.

Besides BC, Hoof, and few others, you are all a bunch of noobs anyway. :biglaughb

I still like it here, and keep coming back. Although I prolly wont show you guys what I build anymore. If you are not in the inner circle no one posting in this thread gives a shit.

My point is that some of you guys that have been here a while need to keep in mind that a new guy needs a little love too.:D No homo. And I am not talking about me, nor looking for anything from this post. Just perspective. As the senor members here it is your jobs to keep this place working.
 
I think you all just miss the chat room ;)

I'll work on a full featured chat to replace the one that's there now.

Only a few more weeks till spring!
 
Yeah, we talked about the posts thing a long time ago with BOTM. I think the real thing is it needs to be a start to finish thread here and not one that's posted all in a day and a half. I felt like my bike last month was deserving because it truly was "OUR" bike. I couldn't have done it with out you all and I thought that really meant something. Bike that won was awesome and all the bikes nominated I think were deserving though. This last month was weird, so many bikes nominated.


the cancer thing, well that may be unavoidable. you just have to stick to your guns keep participating and without being a dick call people on their bullshit when needed. If we all do that the core should stay strong.


We could always start our own forum?!? kidding Tim!


as far as site support goes I will throw down as soon as I finish paying the grand off that i just dropped at the vet. I need that ten spot for beer right now.


Makr makes a somewhat valid point about allowing room for new people and being accepting, but I can't believe that anyone that has posted in this thread bashed you for no good reason?! These are the guys that are the most helpful and in my experience, when critical, it is usually warranted.
 
It's weird watching things change. But as long as people are conscious of that fact we'll all just get stronger as a group. Seriously. Just think of the next super cool dude (or girl) who is gonna come along in the next month or two and offer a ton* of input. Sure in the same time there will be 300 people who register, post a few times, and leave but they don't matter.


Keep up the good work all. Spring will be here soon (sooner for some of us than others).








*hurrr
 
Makr said:
This site is one of the hardest forums to get involved in, of all I am on. And I am on lots. You are clicky, and kind of pains in the asses. Maybe they are all that way and I forgot. Whatever.

That is completely not true. On more than one occasion here, people's homes, i.e. where their wives and children live and breath, have been opened up not to a clique, but to the ENTIRE web site. And many came who had very few posts or what not and instantly became friends for life. You get out what you put in. I will agree that there are lots of pains in the ass here, myself included, but it is never in a way that alienates anyone at all. In fact it is the complete opposite. If you're getting ribbed, it's never serious, it's our way of showing our love and acceptance most of the time.

Makr said:
If you are not in the inner circle no one posting in this thread gives a shit.

And that is exactly the attitude that will turn this place into a land of douche bags that do nothing for one another. It is a very selfish attitude to have to NOT give a shit, because I promise you, the forums will fail for all of us if we adopt it. We have to ALL care about what happens here. This isn't a stab at you, but that kind of attitude that "I don't give a shit" will ultimately ruin it for everyone.

Makr said:
My point is that some of you guys that have been here a while need to keep in mind that a new guy needs a little love too. :D No homo. And I am not talking about me, nor looking for anything from this post. Just perspective. As the senor members here it is your jobs to keep this place working.

The new guy does need a little love, and he has always gotten it here. The ones who contribute and ask for help always get it. The one's who ignore everyone else usually get ignored in return.

I have to disagree with you on the part about "as the senior members here it's your job to keep this place working". That is wrong. It is ALL of our jobs to make that happen. You can't be an active contributor here and not give a shit about what happens or how it happens. You have to be proactive and make it a great place for everyone. No one is excluded IMO.
 
Kanticoy said:
I have to disagree with you on the part about "as the senior members here it's your job to keep this place working". That is wrong. It is ALL of our jobs to make that happen. You can't be an active contributor here and not give a shit about what happens or how it happens. You have to be proactive and make it a great place for everyone. No one is excluded IMO.

Couldn't have said it better. That is right on the money and it applies here and in your local community and when you vote. It isn't someone else's job to make things alright. It's all our jobs to contribute.
 
Kanticoy said:
And that is exactly the attitude that will turn this place into a land of douche bags that do nothing for one another. It is a very selfish attitude to have to NOT give a shit, because I promise you, the forums will fail for all of us if we adopt it. We have to ALL care about what happens here. This isn't a stab at you, but that kind of attitude that "I don't give a shit" will ultimately ruin it for everyone.

This is a good point. I will share with you all!!!!!


Kanticoy said:
The new guy does need a little love, and he has always gotten it here. The ones who contribute and ask for help always get it. The one's who ignore everyone else usually get ignored in return.

I have to disagree with you on the part about "as the senior members here it's your job to keep this place working". That is wrong. It is ALL of our jobs to make that happen. You can't be an active contributor here and not give a shit about what happens or how it happens. You have to be proactive and make it a great place for everyone. No one is excluded IMO.

I understand what you are saying, but in my experience forums need the support and smackdown by the people that are most respected. It sets the discourse.

And I stand by what I say about being in the inner circle here. Tough crowd.
 
I just took a little time and read through a lot of this thread and thought maybe I could offer a new members perspective as I am one. I have never spent much time on forums so when I decided to start visiting them I went around and checked a few out in hopes of finding a local home and a larger worldwide home.

I was very lucky to find a very nice group of people at a local forum which I now call my local home. I was referred to DTT by a couple of people I met in other places who asked me to come check it out and this is how I ended up as a member here.

Since joining DTT I have met and spoke with a lot of friendly, supportive, helpful people and have tried to help those few that I could with what I have learned through personal experiences. Those of you that know me have seen me call a new member Brother on his first day.

On the other hand I have seen several members here be very rude to other new members and as a new member DTT is not always a very friendly place. Not that anyone has really been out of the way to me personally, I have been in a lot of technical debates but I probably rushed in a little too soon trying to share knowledge without first gaining the trust and respect of elder members so a lot of that is my fault as well as no one could know who I am or what my level of experience is.

The thing is it should not matter whether you are a seasoned professional bike builder, mechanic, racer, craftsman or if you are a new member with your first motorcycle we should all be giving respect to all members and that does not always happen here and with as many members and personalities as DTT has it probably never will.

There are a lot of great people here and I personally enjoy my time here. It is sad to say but I do not think many new members will hang around as long as I have.
 
I do have to say that Kanticoy you are one of the most seemingly genuine people I have ever seen on the interwebs. Having never met IRL. I guess I will just have to come out for your next get together. Hope you don't mind my BMW, because I sure as hell wouldnt trust any of the crap I build to go that far. :rofl

I mean no disrespect IYT.
 
Makr said:
I do have to say that Kanticoy you are one of the most seemingly genuine people I have ever seen on the interwebs. Having never met IRL. I guess I will just have to come out for your next get together. Hope you don't mind my BMW, because I sure as hell wouldnt trust any of the crap I build to go that far. :rofl

I mean no disrespect IYT.

Oh no brother, none taken. I really appreciate your input. I hope that this thread sheds some light on a lot of things for people at the least. I promise you no disrespect intended either in the past or the future. That goes to all of you!
 
I have to say... The "tough crowd" comment bums me out. Im sure that the closeness a few of us who have been lucky enough to have actually spent real time together can be off putting at times. I certainly hope that your feeling isnt shared by others and in time you will not feel that way.

I do also have to say that of any forum I have belonged to this has been by far the most welcoming. Not only to me, but I see it every day towards others.

There are members here who have literally NEVER touched a bike before, yet picked one up, started working on it, and have gotten tons of help here.

The few times that I have seen anyone ignored or shunned (and I dont mean this towards you) is because they either refused to listen to those who tried to help, or simply had a piss poor attitude towards those that tried to help.

I know mwmbers that, on a daily basis, go through the Member Intro threads and welcome every new sign up. Hell, I try to do it myself when I can.

Sure there are times where it may seem like certain members do more for, and are more helpful to a certain group. Thats only because they KNOW these people. Not just here but in everyday life. Those are the guys they ride, build, and live with everyday. Of course they would be a bit more likely to lend a hand, or toss a part to those folks.

It doesnt mean that these members have a chip on their shoulders towards anyone else though.

One thing I have noticed of late is the fact that some newer members expect to be welcomed with open arms right away. As if simply signing up and posting a pic of their project entitles them to the same level of respect or friendship that many of us here have earned through years of helping eachother and sharing our lives, outside of the forum.

I dont mean to sound like we are a clique of any sort, but the reality is, when you have been a big part of eachothers lives on and off the site, its not always easy to just buddy up to every person that shows up. I know I and many other members certainly try to though. At the last Pittsburgh Mods vs Rockers, every one of us (some of whom Im sure Makr was referring to) spent half of our time searching out and MEETING DTT members who barely ever post, if at all. We made sure to shake their hands, and check out their bikes. We also made sure that they knew that whatever they were building or riding, it was all good here.

The machine is truly secondary to the person here. And thats what makes it the killer place it is. What other forum is down with ALL makes and models? All forms of customs? People of all backgrounds, colors, nations, and beliefs, whether male or female? Few that I know of, if any.

One of the things I would like to see, is a better policing of the members though. Not in a shitty, "what we say goes" kind of way though. Just a little more vocalization of what this place stands for to those that love it. And this cannot be only the job of the Admins. They created this place and work their asses off for US to have it. Give them a hand whenever possible.

A few thaing you can do though... When you see a bike you dont dig on, ignore the aesthetics and simply help with the problems you can. If you see someone who is only here to creat drama, or put others down, speak up. Do it like an adult though. This is no place for hate speak, or petty quarrels. If you speaking up like a proper human doesnt curb the issue, let the Mods know. Thats why were here.

I certainly never want to see anyone banned, or turned away, but sometimes its a necessary evil. At least if we want to mantain this place as a have for all who truly respect not only the machines, but those who create them.

What it all comes down to is that this place must remain a democratic conglomeration of all kinds. We need to police our own ranks, and keep the positive, all are welcome vibe going.

As a group we have a very real ability to help grow this sport/hobby/whatever into something greater. A true chance at shaping the ideals of a younger generation, and teach the that the past and those that lived it are what truly matter. We have the responsibilty to show the world that the horrid throw it away, and buy the newest model thought process is shit. We have to let those around us seee what can be done with our hands and minds when we actually let them work the way they were intended. This isnt just a forum for people who like bikes. This is a breeding ground for a new way of thinking, and a new way of making our world a little bit brighter. We cant do that if our concerns are only whether or not people get down on our bikes, listen to the music we do, or simply like us.

You will never get along with every member. So be it. That is the way of the world. Instead of holding a grudge or up and leaving, simply move on to the next idea flaoting around here. Help it grow. Pass along your knowledge and thoughts. The person youre helping, or who is helping you may end up becoming something more than just a screen name. I know I have gained some of ther closest friends here that any man could ever wish to have. Without some of them, I may be in a horrible place.

This site will only be as terrific as we allow it to be. It will only grow as much as we feed into it. It will certainly only fail if we force it to.

There is something truly bigger than us all going on here. The only realy question is whether you want to be one of the pieces that makes it a game changer, or one of the problems that makes it a mess.

Your choice everyone.
 
Oh I get it Mike, you're going to get me banned. :)

this place is like a huge affirmation compared to other sites I've seen. I've seen forums that have special sections for noobs where members aren't allowed to flame them too hard. For chrissake sac up. Mike nailed it with the comment about the few guys here that ask all kinds of questions and then don't listen at all or even get all pissy about what they're hearing. Every post you make is a time commitment and you want it to count for something.

For me, lately, its been the guys that want you to do all the research for them. I'm pretty guilty of using the forum as a reference but I at least try to find info before I come to you guys. I had a newer member here basically wanting me to find out everything for him and then when I did provide info he wasn't even reading the goddamn emails. that shit is frustrating. I'm starting to wonder about all these young-uns who have this "I don't need to know it I have the internet" mentality.

Okay now you got me going!
 
diesel450 said:
diesel450 said:
For me, lately, its been the guys that want you to do all the research for them.

Have you ever received PMs from new members who ask for detailed instructions on how to do something? Asking for detailed photos and step by step plans? Yes, I have all the time in the world to give you a shortcut on how to do something I spent hours figuring out for myself. Some people just don't have a sense of protocol.
 
DrJ said:
Have you ever received PMs from new members who ask for detailed instructions on how to do something? Asking for detailed photos and step by step plans? Yes, I have all the time in the world to give you a shortcut on how to do something I spent hours figuring out for myself. Some people just don't have a sense of protocol.

Thats exactly what I'm talking about! "how much work is it to get a stuck motor running?" WTF?!?!?!

We've banned people?!?! Do tell!!
 
I know I try to go through the noob introduction section and welcome people. I'm usually the third or forth person to do that. We love new people here as long as they provide pictures!
 
Also, please note that aside from the "Loungin'" forum, the new members intro is one of the largest forums here!


11 thousand posts in "new members" and "show 'n shine".


That's pretty awesome.
 
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